Political Correctness thread

[ACamp1900]

I'm getting triggered by your ellipsis use.

#makeAcampusecommasagain

#anellipsisisnotaperiod

... why tho?... why tho?... why tho?... why tho?... why tho?...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Political Correctness thread

Too bad wooly not around to read this.

Also, two questions:
1. Do they have a problem with "POC" cooking "white" food? Like if a black person owned a hot dog stand is that a problem?
2. Do they know that there are a bunch of "white" people in South and Central America? Are they allowed to cook "Latin" food or not?

Third question:

Do they have a problem with male restarateurs or chefs since running the kitchen since that place is a woman's birthright?

 

[ACamp1900]

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Love Dave...

 

[ulukinatme]

Saw this today and it made me giggle

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[woolybug25]

Too bad wooly not around to read this.

Also, two questions:
1. Do they have a problem with "POC" cooking "white" food? Like if a black person owned a hot dog stand is that a problem?
2. Do they know that there are a bunch of "white" people in South and Central America? Are they allowed to cook "Latin" food or not?

Welp, I'm back... so....

1) First, I would argue none of you guys know these two girls, so I'm not sure how it could be argued that this hit you at home rather than an obscure incident in one of the most liberal cities in America.

2) Despite what the right wing propaganda link Acamp posted will tell you, most of the anger here wasn't about the girls being white and serving burritos. It's that they went down to Mexico and pried and prodded restaurants to get their trade secrets without their permission. That's what propaganda sites fail to recognize, is that "cultural appropriation" isn't so much PC sensitivities of white people, but rather anyone using another's culture to profit without consideration to the culture they are potentially competing against. An example would be putting a Chipotle next to a locally owned taco hut. Which is why I would argue that these two women didn't do anything wrong, as them taking Mexican restauranteurs trade secrets didn't harm them. As your average Portland burrito orderer isn't choosing between flying to Mexico for lunch or going to this restaurant. But that's not the point.

The Best Comments On Kooks Burrito Food Appropriation

But if it makes y'all feel better to say that it was about them being white, then by all means go ahead.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Welp, I'm back... so....

1) First, I would argue none of you guys know these two girls, so I'm not sure how it could be argued that this hit you at home rather than an obscure incident in one of the most liberal cities in America.

2) Despite what the right wing propaganda link Acamp posted will tell you, most of the anger here wasn't about the girls being white and serving burritos. It's that they went down to Mexico and pried and prodded restaurants to get their trade secrets without their permission. That's what propaganda sites fail to recognize, is that "cultural appropriation" isn't so much PC sensitivities of white people, but rather anyone using another's culture to profit without consideration to the culture they are potentially competing against. An example would be putting a Chipotle next to a locally owned taco hut. Which is why I would argue that these two women didn't do anything wrong, as them taking Mexican restauranteurs trade secrets didn't harm them. As your average Portland burrito orderer isn't choosing between flying to Mexico for lunch or going to this restaurant. But that's not the point.

The Best Comments On Kooks Burrito Food Appropriation

But if it makes y'all feel better to say that it was about them being white, then by all means go ahead.

I think I get it. So it was about them not being brown, right?

 

[wizards8507]

Despite what the right wing propaganda link Acamp posted will tell you, most of the anger here wasn't about the girls being white and serving burritos. It's that they went down to Mexico and pried and prodded restaurants to get their trade secrets without their permission.

Stop. There's no "trade secrets" to burrito making.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Stop. There's no "trade secrets" to burrito making.

Sure there is. You've gotta know when to throw the tortilla on the ground, how long to let it linger etc

 

[IrishLion]

Stop. There's no "trade secrets" to burrito making.

Yes there are. Taco Bell and Chiptole know them all. That's why they're the best.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yes there are. Taco Bell and Chiptole know them all. That's why they're the best.

We can probably just narrow that down to Taco Bell, can we not? Chipotle has to steal the trade secrets regarding health and Salmonella prevention before they can be in the same category.

 

[zelezo vlk]

We can probably just narrow that down to Taco Bell, can we not? Chipotle has to steal the trade secrets regarding health and Salmonella prevention before they can be in the same category.

It takes some time to find the correct ratio of water to meat for their taco filling, so yeah some corporate espionage had to take place

 

[IrishLion]

We can probably just narrow that down to Taco Bell, can we not? Chipotle has to steal the trade secrets regarding health and Salmonella prevention before they can be in the same category.

It takes some time to find the correct ratio of water to meat for their taco filling, so yeah some corporate espionage had to take place

Yeah, you guys are right.

It's not a secret, though... Taco Bell already told everybody that the trick to making your Grade F meat palatable and better than any standard mom-and-pop burrito place is to put sand in the meet.

That little mystery crunch when you're eating Taco Bell always feels familiar... that's because it's the same as you get when you eat food on the beach and sand gets involved.

 

[IrishLax]

2) Despite what the right wing propaganda link Acamp posted will tell you, most of the anger here wasn't about the girls being white and serving burritos. It's that they went down to Mexico and pried and prodded restaurants to get their trade secrets without their permission. That's what propaganda sites fail to recognize, is that "cultural appropriation" isn't so much PC sensitivities of white people, but rather anyone using another's culture to profit without consideration to the culture they are potentially competing against. An example would be putting a Chipotle next to a locally owned taco hut. Which is why I would argue that these two women didn't do anything wrong, as them taking Mexican restauranteurs trade secrets didn't harm them. As your average Portland burrito orderer isn't choosing between flying to Mexico for lunch or going to this restaurant. But that's not the point.

The Best Comments On Kooks Burrito Food Appropriation

But if it makes y'all feel better to say that it was about them being white, then by all means go ahead.

They did not "prod restaurants for trade secrets without their permission" LOL ... they simply asked some questions and people were happy to volunteer information.

Second, it's not even about Kook's burritos. It's about the larger issue noted in the article that you ignore:

The SJW inquisitors did not stop there and have taken their mob mentality to the streets, targetting other white-owned businesses guilty of the same crime. A list has now been circulating on the web of white-owned “appropriative” businesses, featuring some of Portland’s top restaurants.

So they literally made a list of white owned restaurants to harass/troll/otherwise try to destroy via fake reviews, etc. But please, keep living under your rock where political correctness has "no consequences" for people... there are 60 restaurant owners in Portland just trying to make a living that disagree. And notice that no one is complaining about a black guy running a French restaurants, a Latino guy running an Italian restaurants, or a Chinese guy owning an Irish pub. It's exclusively evil white people that get targeted.

 

[ACamp1900]

... and this is why I keep coming back to this site...

 

[NDohio]

Do you even read? They did not "prod restaurants for trade secrets without their permission" LOL ... they simply asked some questions and people were happy to volunteer information.

Second, it's not even about Kook's burritos. It's about the larger issue noted in the article that you ignore:

So they literally made a list of white owned restaurants to harass/troll/otherwise try to destroy via fake reviews, etc. But please, keep living under your rock where political correctness has "no consequences" for people... there are 60 restaurant owners in Portland just trying to make a living that disagree. And notice that no one is complaining about a black guy running a French restaurants, a Latino guy running an Italian restaurants, or a Chinese guy owning an Irish pub. It's exclusively evil white people that get targeted.

Yeah, I had to read this:

If you're a white person, you have no business running a restaurant that serves Asian, Latin, African, or Indian cuisine.

That's according to the creators of a "white-owned appropriative restaurants" list, which accuses several Oregon establishments of engaging in cultural appropriation—a tool of "a white supremacist culture."

...several times to realize what I was reading. Unbelievable.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, you guys are right.

It's not a secret, though... Taco Bell already told everybody that the trick to making your Grade F meat palatable and better than any standard mom-and-pop burrito place is to put sand in the meet.

That little mystery crunch when you're eating Taco Bell always feels familiar... that's because it's the same as you get when you eat food on the beach and sand gets involved.

See, more restaurants should take a page from Taco Bell and use all natural ingredients! Sand is created by Mother Nature, pure organic.

I don't know what "meet" is, but it sounds a bit like leek, so it's probably healthy...especially if Taco Bell is using it

 

[NorthDakota]

Yeah, I had to read this:



...several times to realize what I was reading. Unbelievable.

Shouldn't a white person running any ethnic restaurant be flattering? Maybe that's my white privilege talking.

 

[BeauBenken]

Welp, I'm back... so....

1) First, I would argue none of you guys know these two girls, so I'm not sure how it could be argued that this hit you at home rather than an obscure incident in one of the most liberal cities in America.

2) Despite what the right wing propaganda link Acamp posted will tell you, most of the anger here wasn't about the girls being white and serving burritos. It's that they went down to Mexico and pried and prodded restaurants to get their trade secrets without their permission. That's what propaganda sites fail to recognize, is that "cultural appropriation" isn't so much PC sensitivities of white people, but rather anyone using another's culture to profit without consideration to the culture they are potentially competing against. An example would be putting a Chipotle next to a locally owned taco hut. Which is why I would argue that these two women didn't do anything wrong, as them taking Mexican restauranteurs trade secrets didn't harm them. As your average Portland burrito orderer isn't choosing between flying to Mexico for lunch or going to this restaurant. But that's not the point.

The Best Comments On Kooks Burrito Food Appropriation

But if it makes y'all feel better to say that it was about them being white, then by all means go ahead.

Wooly, I'm confused. If the girls didn't do anything wrong, then why were the targeted and forced to close? According to you, it isn't because they are white girls serving burritos...but because?

 

[woolybug25]

They did not "prod restaurants for trade secrets without their permission" LOL ... they simply asked some questions and people were happy to volunteer information.

Second, it's not even about Kook's burritos. It's about the larger issue noted in the article that you ignore:

So they literally made a list of white owned restaurants to harass/troll/otherwise try to destroy via fake reviews, etc. But please, keep living under your rock where political correctness has "no consequences" for people... there are 60 restaurant owners in Portland just trying to make a living that disagree. And notice that no one is complaining about a black guy running a French restaurants, a Latino guy running an Italian restaurants, or a Chinese guy owning an Irish pub. It's exclusively evil white people that get targeted.

Not so, if you read the article I posted your would see two things.

1) They were not "happy to volunteer" their trade secrets. Quite the opposite actually and that is per the direct quotes from the two women. Their quotes are what caused the uproar.

2) Most of the push back, despite the hand picked tweets from a heavily alt right leaning publication, were actually regarding the use of the trade secrets of the Mexican people they observed on their trip. This is a far different then what the small amount of weirdos following the trolls you mentioned. There also is zero connection to you or Acamp from this story. Neither of you know them or eaten at their establishment. So my original comments of it not being as widespread as media portrays, isn't proven incorrect because of an obscure incident in Portland.

Finally, and I'll go here from the start, as last time we spoke about this issue you got pretty heated. Called me names, etc. I'm not arguing from a place of anger here, so before we get there, let's agree to keep the volume low. We're both adults and neither of us are "living under a rock". So let's be respectful of each other.

Wooly, I'm confused. If the girls didn't do anything wrong, then why were the targeted and forced to close? According to you, it isn't because they are white girls serving burritos...but because?

No. Open up the link I posted. A common misconception about "cultural appropriation" is that it's a bunch of PC brats getting mad at Whitey for eating Pho, not the case. The concern in this case by many of the people that chose to not eat there, was that the two women admitted to going down to Mexico and "peeking in kitchens" and prying cultural info in order to come back and profit from it. As I noted originally, I disagree with the premise because the Mexicans weren't harmed imo, but it is a different argument than the one portrayed in the original alt right fear monger article.

 

[Rack Em]

No. Open up the link I posted. A common misconception about "cultural appropriation" is that it's a bunch of PC brats getting mad at Whitey for eating Pho, not the case. The concern in this case by many of the people that chose to not eat there, was that the two women admitted to going down to Mexico and "peeking in kitchens" and prying cultural info in order to come back and profit from it. As I noted originally, I disagree with the premise because the Mexicans weren't harmed imo, but it is a different argument than the one portrayed in the original alt right fear monger article.

Bullshit. That's called capitalism, not cultural appropriation. If you're not trying to figure out how to make your craft better and learn what your competition is doing, then you really should be pushing TSP reports in a cubicle where you're safeguarded from the world.

I still don't understand what cultural appropriation is either. It seems like some nonsense term where I'm guilted into not enjoying other cultures because whiteness.

Not directed towards you, Wooly, even though I still think you're a turd sandwich.

 

[ACamp1900]

I still don't understand what cultural appropriation is either. It seems like some nonsense term where I'm guilted into not enjoying other cultures because whiteness.

Choosing to stay away from other cultures and diversity... your'e a bigot.
Choosing to accept it with open arms and be as diverse as possible... you're appropriating.

Half joking...

 

[IrishLax]

Not so, if you read the article I posted your would see two things.

1) They were not "happy to volunteer" their trade secrets. Quite the opposite actually and that is per the direct quotes from the two women. Their quotes are what caused the uproar.

"I picked the brains of every tortilla lady there in the worst broken Spanish ever, and they showed me a little of what they did. They told us the basic ingredients, and we saw them moving and stretching the dough similar to how pizza makers do before rolling it out with rolling pins."

So - of their own volition - they showed some tourists how they make tortillas.

2) Most of the push back, despite the hand picked tweets from a heavily alt right leaning publication, were actually regarding the use of the trade secrets of the Mexican people they observed on their trip. This is a far different then what the small amount of weirdos following the trolls you mentioned. There also is zero connection to you or Acamp from this story. Neither of you know them or eaten at their establishment. So my original comments of it not being as widespread as media portrays, isn't proven incorrect because of an obscure incident in Portland.

The quote you are willfully misinterpreting is: "They wouldn’t tell us too much about technique, but we were peeking into the windows of every kitchen, totally fascinated by how easy they made it look. We learned quickly it isn’t quite that easy."

Which actually says - "We didn't learn much else from them. We did notice that what they made look easy was very hard to replicate." ... you are intentionally taking the hyperbole of "peeking in the windows of every kitchen" to mean "literal espionage of their techniques" even thought the context clearly states that they didn't 1) didn't actually learn anything and 2) later they affirm that they went home and experimented a bunch to come up with their own style. There is no evidence whatsoever that they actually ripped off anyone's "trade secret" and there is evidence - the discussion of the experimentation to come up with their own techniques - that clearly contradicts that idea.

Here's a great example... people visit breweries regularly. They discuss some detail of how they brew their beer, but obviously don't give you their hop ratios or their strain of yeast. Sometimes people really enjoy their beer then go home and experiment to make my own home brew that is similar and then start selling that beer... what have they done wrong? Does it matter if they're black and copying a German style beer? Also, is every brewery that sells Belgian style beers guilty of cultural appropriation if they went and got inspired by Trappist brewers but aren't Belgian monks themselves? The whole gripe is obviously silly.

But, as I said, I don't actually give a crap about Kook's burritos. I do care about the 60 other Portland restaurants that have the crime of being owned by white people.

Finally, and I'll go here from the start, as last time we spoke about this issue you got pretty heated. Called me names, etc. I'm not arguing from a place of anger here, so before we get there, let's agree to keep the volume low. We're both adults and neither of us are "living under a rock". So let's be respectful of each other.

You still haven't addressed whether you approve of the 60 other restaurants being harassed or if you're ready to admit that PC culture affects real people's lives. I'm guessing you're just going to keep pretending that list and the harassment of those very real people running very real businesses doesn't exist.

 

[BeauBenken]

No. Open up the link I posted. A common misconception about "cultural appropriation" is that it's a bunch of PC brats getting mad at Whitey for eating Pho, not the case. The concern in this case by many of the people that chose to not eat there, was that the two women admitted to going down to Mexico and "peeking in kitchens" and prying cultural info in order to come back and profit from it. As I noted originally, I disagree with the premise because the Mexicans weren't harmed imo, but it is a different argument than the one portrayed in the original alt right fear monger article.

I read your article. What I'm saying is that you said even if they did do that, that there was nothing wrong with it. (And so did many of the people in that article.) They pose no threat to the women they studied. So why exactly were these women targeted? It wasn't people just not eating there. They were given terrible yelp reviews and were dragged through the public muck. It's pretty clear that the article you posted references level headed posters who did not target the women and their restaurant, but what about the people who actually did. Why did they do it?

Not to mention, the phrase 'White people White-peopling' is used in the article you linked. So to suggest that color of the women's skin had nothing to do with at least the initial outcry would suggest that you're turning a blind eye to your own sources.

In the article originally calling the Kooks out for cultural appropriation, their skin color very much has something to do with it.

https://mic.com/articles/177642/the...es-from-mexico-to-start-a-portland#.MhzOzGmoG

The one of the prominent articles that continued to slander the women has since been pulled.

This Week in Appropriation: Kooks Burritos and Willamette Week - Blogtown - Portland Mercury

That article too referenced that it's white people doing this. “Several of the most successful businesses in this town have been birthed as a result of curious white people going to a foreign country, or an international venture, and poaching as many trade secrets, customs, recipes as possible, and then coming back to Portland to claim it as their own and score a tidy profit,” Blaec wrote.

Those articles are from the HuffPost article (the most prominent media outlet to comment on the episode) that was posted after the women were forced to close.

Portland Burrito Cart Closes After Owners Are Accused Of Cultural Appropriation | HuffPost

 

[connor_in]

See, more restaurants should take a page from Taco Bell and use all natural ingredients! Sand is created by Mother Nature, pure organic.

I don't know what "meet" is, but it sounds a bit like leek, so it's probably healthy...especially if Taco Bell is using it

Its like the places that serve beff and loobster and can get away with it because not regulated like beef and lobster.

 

[IrishLax]

Bullshit. That's called capitalism, not cultural appropriation. If you're not trying to figure out how to make your craft better and learn what your competition is doing, then you really should be pushing TSP reports in a cubicle where you're safeguarded from the world.

I still don't understand what cultural appropriation is either. It seems like some nonsense term where I'm guilted into not enjoying other cultures because whiteness.

Not directed towards you, Wooly, even though I still think you're a turd sandwich.

That's exactly what it is.

 

[connor_in]

Portland Burrito Cart Closes After Owners Are Accused Of Cultural Appropriation | HuffPost

Aww c'mon Beau...you shouldn't use that left wing propaganda site

 

[ACamp1900]

Finally, and I'll go here from the start, as last time we spoke about this issue you got pretty heated. Called me names, etc. I'm not arguing from a place of anger here, so before we get there, let's agree to keep the volume low. We're both adults and neither of us are "living under a rock". So let's be respectful of each other.

Check out wooly trying to appropriate 'being civil on IE',...

 

[IrishLax]

Check out wooly trying to appropriate 'being civil on IE',...

Yeah, that's Whiskeyjack culture. Hands off.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not sure if this goes here or in the feminism thread but here is a cultural appropriation decision tree made by feminists for all you white-privlidged American male culture thieves:

Am I doing this right?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yeah, that's Whiskeyjack culture. Hands off.