Political Correctness thread

[IrishLax]

And if there was a "let's rape animals club" in every city with a publicized list of 60+ zoos where they were going to rape animals and when + how to rape animals effectively + evidence of them raping of animals at all of these zoos... then yeah, it'd be a widespread problem.

 

[ulukinatme]

And if there was a "let's rape animals club" in every city with a publicized list of 60+ zoos where they were going to rape animals and when + how to rape animals effectively + evidence of them raping of animals at all of these zoos... then yeah, it'd be a widespread problem.

Now, that would be a case of people actually culturally appropriating white people culture...specifically Texas Aggie culture. /noitalics

 

[woolybug25]

It's not about Kook's. This is literally the 4th time I've said this. It's about the list of 60+ businesses. Five dozen restaurants in a single metropolitan area is not "isolated". You're either intentionally ignoring this in order to troll, or intentionally not reading the article, or both.

And you better believe similar movements and lists exist for every major metropolitan area.

And when I did mention someone who I did know that had their business destroyed by SJW's you were all like "oh... well... that doesn't count because I say so"...

You mean when you mentioned that an old roommates cousin or something dated the girl from Memories Pizza? A restaurant that has made their PC incident into record sales for their little pizza shop? That one?

And if there was a "let's rape animals club" in every city with a publicized list of 60+ zoos where they were going to rape animals and when + how to rape animals effectively + evidence of them raping of animals at all of these zoos... then yeah, it'd be a widespread problem.

I'm assuming you know of someone in one of these organizations or had to close their doors because of one? I consider a widespread problem as one that effects the lives of Americans on a regular basis. If PC issues were a widespread issue plaguing America, then I would think that I would have pretty much everyone on here telling horror stories that are their own or of someone they know on a close personal connection. But what we have gotten is a couple stories of teachers having to take trainings they don't like and that there are 5 degrees of separation between you and a girl whose business turned one of their own controversial statement into publicity for their restaurant. Not exactly compelling proof of a plague destroying society.

 

[BeauBenken]

That all being said. The argument of the original article was that it was some cry of reverse racism by a bunch of PC addicted weirdos. That is innacurate. They are incorrect in their opinion that they are taking advantage of the Mexicans they visited, but they aren't calling for white people to "know their role"

I posted evidence that the articles which initiated the episode specifically were pointing blame at white people for taking advantage of "people of color". Those articles suggest this is a "white people problem". I even pointed out that the article you linked had quotes about this being a "white people white people-ing" thing. In other words, cultural appropriation is seen as something that only white people do. Hell, even the flowchart Cack posted supports that idea with it asking if you've checked your "white privilege" or not.

Besides, Lax has already pointed out that there is a list of restaurants to now protest for the sole reason that they are owned by white people, not because they have been accused of stealing trade secrets.

 

[woolybug25]

I posted evidence that the articles which initiated the episode specifically were pointing blame at white people for taking advantage of "people of color". Those articles suggest this is a "white people problem". I even pointed out that the article you linked had quotes about this being a "white people white people-ing" thing. In other words, cultural appropriation is seen as something that only white people do. Hell, even the flowchart Cack posted supports that idea with it asking if you've checked your "white privilege" or not.

Besides, Lax has already pointed out that there is a list of restaurants to now protest for the sole reason that they are owned by white people, not because they have been accused of stealing trade secrets.

The vast majority of communication wasn't like what you are stating. Cherry picking tweets or memes and trying to blanket the entire argument is why everyone blows this stuff way out of proportion.

For instance... do you even know who wrote the chart Cack posted? Dollars to donuts it was an anti-PCer making fun of white priveledge. Not something meant to check your whiteness.

 

[BeauBenken]

The vast majority of communication wasn't like what you are stating. Cherry picking tweets or memes and trying to blanket the entire argument is why everyone blows this stuff way out of proportion.

For instance... do you even know who wrote the chart Cack posted? Dollars to donuts it was an anti-PCer making fun of white priveledge. Not something meant to check your whiteness.

I'm not cherry picking memes for the love of god. I posted the Huff article and the articles that it linked. The articles that started the bad press until the Kooks closed.

Cack said it was feminists who made the chart. I just used it as extra evidence. Even if it was a joke, the articles I linked are not. And one of them was so outlandish and not factual that the publication pulled it, but not until after the Kooks had to close.

And besides, the article you posted was literally just a list of cherry-picked internet comments. I don't get how you can just blow off evidence from more reputable sources and then act like your one link from "uproxx" (whatever the hell that is) is evidence that a lot of this backlash was not because the owners were white.

I'm not even saying that all of it was, but can you really not see that a significant portion (a portion that played a large part in pressuring the business to close) was building this as a "white people vs POC" thing?

 

[IrishLax]

I'm assuming you know of someone in one of these organizations or had to close their doors because of one? I consider a widespread problem as one that effects the lives of Americans on a regular basis. If PC issues were a widespread issue plaguing America, then I would think that I would have pretty much everyone on here telling horror stories that are their own or of someone they know on a close personal connection.

There were roughly 60k people last year that were victims of human trafficking in the United States. I bet you there aren't more than one or two people on this board that have a personal story to share of someone they personally know being trafficked. That doesn't mean it isn't a widespread problem affecting a lot of people.

Your entire premise is simply nonsensical.

But what we have gotten is a couple stories of teachers having to take trainings they don't like and that there are 5 degrees of separation between you and a girl whose business turned one of their own controversial statement into publicity for their restaurant. Not exactly compelling proof of a plague destroying society.

You're just not even being intellectually honest. Two degrees of separation... I know someone who is one degree of separation (cousin) from the people involved. Odds are I've met them at a tailgate and don't remember it because they're weren't meaningful at the time.

The way that you twist received death threats and harassment so bad they had to close their doors -> through the kindness of strangers who felt bad over them losing their business raised money -> reopened after the PC mob moved on to another flash point == "turn their controversial statement into publicity" is truly remarkable semantics.

 

[IrishLax]

For instance... do you even know who wrote the chart Cack posted? Dollars to donuts it was an anti-PCer making fun of white priveledge. Not something meant to check your whiteness.

Cack literally said from the beginning it was produced by a feminist.

Man, you aren't even trying...

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not cherry picking memes for the love of god. I posted the Huff article and the articles that it linked. The articles that started the bad press until the Kooks closed.

Cack said it was feminists who made the chart. I just used it as extra evidence. Even if it was a joke, the articles I linked are not. And one of them was so outlandish and not factual that the publication pulled it, but not until after the Kooks had to close.

And besides, the article you posted was literally just a list of cherry-picked internet comments. I don't get how you can just blow off evidence from more reputable sources and then act like your one link from "uproxx" (whatever the hell that is) is evidence that a lot of this backlash was not because the owners were white.

I'm not even saying that all of it was, but can you really not see that a significant portion (a portion that played a large part in pressuring the business to close) was building this as a "white people vs POC" thing?

If you google the incident, you'll see that there are a bevy of articles that echo my sentiment. Again... and I'm not sure where this is getting lost in translation... I'm not saying that the protesters were correct in their actions. But the core issue was that they were being accused of stealing recipes and techniques. Did it get warped into crazy pc tweets, memes and General snadenfrued? Sure... but that doesn't mean that they would have closed if they wouldn't have admitted to using things they learned from Mexicans on their trip. As illustrated here.

Portland Burrito Shop Closes After Allegations of Cultural Appropriation

Do any of you actually even know if this is what put them out of business? Because the two women haven't actually said that. If their entire community are choosing not to eat there because of the impression, well that's capitalism.

Also.... and I've said this a bunch of times too... if I'm going to be told that this kind of stuff is commonly effecting society, then tell me the store you patronize that got shut down recently? Tell me about the family member that was fired for their micro aggression. I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. Does it happen, absolutely. But it simply doesn't effect my daily life nor most of yours. Meme Culture tells you to be triggered by PC Culture. But the reality is that you will probably never be effected first hand by some broad deterioration of society caused by Political Correectness they keep telling you is coming.

 

[woolybug25]

Cack literally said from the beginning it was produced by a feminist.

Man, you aren't even trying...

I hope Cack pipes up, as I read that as a passing comment. Not a source.

 

[IrishLion]

Hey guys, I was reading about delicious Cholula green pepper sauce, so if you could take this to the appropriate thread, and not keep it in the burrito/hot sauce thread, that'd be greaaaaaat.

 

[ACamp1900]

Not like any of this will go anywhere with wooly... but for the general dialogue: The campus director before I got here was fired for not caving to PC movements like those I laid out in earlier posts. This was before I came on board with my current University but my wife was here and I heard all about it. Also, a Dean was also forced out last year for standing by his feelings on marriage issues... it happens. I have also detailed my personal experiences before in public schools... it's not 'just like those flower power teachers of old"...

Stuff like this happens, those aligned with PC are empowered, those who aren't, and have the nerve to speak up, are often targeted.

Professor who tweeted against PC culture is out at NYU | New York Post

The last few pages are exactly why I began the above quote the way I did... lol... and dude pretended to be all offended by it.

 

[woolybug25]

There were roughly 60k people last year that were victims of human trafficking in the United States. I bet you there aren't more than one or two people on this board that have a personal story to share of someone they personally know being trafficked. That doesn't mean it isn't a widespread problem affecting a lot of people.

Your entire premise is simply nonsensical.

How do I say this.... human trafficking isn't a widespread issue in my world. Is it in Russia? Sure... but I'm not Russian. It is absolutely a serious issue and one that should be addressed, but it's not something that is being presented as PC Culture is being presented. Nor are the actual effects of human trafficking on the same plane as PC Culture. The absolute worse thing PC Culture is blamed for is people losing employment. Human trafficking is slavery, rape and torture. Are you seriously telling me that they are comparable in severity?

The Anti PC crowd wants me to believe that if something isn't done to stop all these liberal PC incidents that my life, and society as a whole, will be effected. It simply won't. I'll never be seriously effected by an incident of PC most likely. Neither will you.

You're just not even being intellectually honest. Two degrees of separation... I know someone who is one degree of separation (cousin) from the people involved. Odds are I've met them at a tailgate and don't remember it because they're weren't meaningful at the time.

The way that you twist received death threats and harassment so bad they had to close their doors -> through the kindness of strangers who felt bad over them losing their business raised money -> reopened after the PC mob moved on to another flash point == "turn their controversial statement into publicity" is truly remarkable semantics.

Puhleaze... first of all, I highly doubt you run in the same circle. The girl you are referring to is the daughter that made the original comments, correct? This chick?

No offense to her, I'm sure she is a fine person. But the towney bible thumper just doesn't seem like your crowd. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Either way, they made shit tons of money and their situation was the best thing that ever happened to them.

 

[IrishLax]

No one on IE has discrete examples of how global warming has had immediate and dire consequence on their personal life. At worst, they just felt a little hot. Must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention.

No one on IE has personal stories about people they personally know falling victim to human trafficking, must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention.

No one on IE has a personal story of being victim of racist police brutality, must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention.

#woolybuglogic

 

[woolybug25]

The last few pages are exactly why I began the above quote the way I did... lol... and dude pretended to be all offended by it.

I addressed this back then as well. Not that it ever goes anywhere with you.

 

[IrishLax]

How do I say this.... human trafficking isn't a widespread issue in my world. Is it in Russia? Sure... but I'm not Russian. It is absolutely a serious issue and one that should be addressed, but it's not something that is being presented as PC Culture is being presented. Nor are the actual effects of human trafficking on the same plane as PC Culture. The absolute worse thing PC Culture is blamed for is people losing employment. Human trafficking is slavery, rape and torture. Are you seriously telling me that they are comparable in severity?

I said 60k people IN THE UNITED STATES. lolololol wtf does "Russia" have to do with anything?

And you exactly proved my point. Just because you - personally - don't experience something doesn't mean it isn't widespread or a big deal.

Your entire premise is garbage. A week or so ago I legit was upset by your antics, now we're all just laughing.

 

[woolybug25]

No one on IE has discrete examples of how global warming has had immediate and dire consequence on their personal life. At worst, they just felt a little hot. Must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention.

Every person on this planet has experienced some of the warmest years in documented history. Everyone seems like a pretty big number.

No one on IE has personal stories about people they personally know falling victim to human trafficking, must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention

.

Addressed this above. Maybe you were typing when I was posting. If not, see above.

No one on IE has a personal story of being victim of racist police brutality, must not be a real + widespread problem that deserves attention.

#woolybuglogic

Actually people do have stories on here.

I've addressed all this above. I hope you just hadn't read my post above yet.

 

[IrishLax]

Puhleaze... first of all, I highly doubt you run in the same circle. The girl you are referring to is the daughter that made the original comments, correct? This chick?

No offense to her, I'm sure she is a fine person. But the towney bible thumper just doesn't seem like your crowd. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Either way, they made shit tons of money and their situation was the best thing that ever happened to them.

Like I said, her cousin (Bethany O'Connor) was a SMC chick. She dated my roommate for a long time senior year... unrelated, she also was a solid 8, "Notre Dame" 9 and looks nothing like her cousin lol

We sure as hell don't run in the same crowd but the cousin at that check spent many an evening at our house off campus. Two degrees of separation.

 

[woolybug25]

I said 60k people IN THE UNITED STATES. lolololol wtf does "Russia" have to do with anything?

And you exactly proved my point. Just because you - personally - don't experience something doesn't mean it isn't widespread or a big deal.

Your entire premise is garbage. A week or so ago I legit was upset by your antics, now we're all just laughing.

Calm down and actually read what I wrote. I was referring to your comment asking if I knew someone personally effected by human trafficking. I didn't, that's why it's not a "widespread issue effecting my world". But in Russia, hell... maybe it would be.

You're at that point where you are getting insulting. Calling my comments "garbage" and such. Last time you literally called me insulting names and I feel like you're getting close again. Maybe I'm wrong and reading incorrectly, but if we can't have a discussion on this without you getting triggered, then just say so. I'll bow out instead of letting this get out of hand.

 

[woolybug25]

That's three degrees not two. Roommate->roommates girl->girls cousin.

As I said. No personal connection.

If that's a connection. I'm boys with Shawn Kemp.

 

[IrishLax]

Every person on this planet has experienced some of the warmest years in documented history. Everyone seems like a pretty big number.

Wooly can't read again. Or chooses not to. Everyone on here (everyone is a pretty big number!) also has a story about PC being annoying or an inconvenience.

But much like a minor temperature increase, that doesn't rise to your ridiculous threshold of something being a big deal. You demanded things like firings or lives ruined. No one on here has had their lives ruined by global warming (yet)... but it has potential to be catastrophic if left unaddressed. What else does that remind us of, except that we're already seeing the serious consequences popping up more and more in recent years?

Actually people do have stories on here.

I've addressed all this above. I hope you just hadn't read my post above yet.

No they don't. You're a liar. Link me multiple stories on here of someone PERSONALLY being beaten by a racist cop because of their skin color.

 

[IrishLax]

That's three degrees not two. Roommate->roommates girl->girls cousin.

As I said. No personal connection.

If that's a connection. I'm boys with Shawn Kemp.

God you are trolling sooooooo hard.

I KNOW HER. WE ARE FACEBOOK FRIENDS. WE HUNG OUT TOGETHER FOR MOST OF SENIOR YEAR.

What is hard here?

 

[IrishLax]

Calm down and actually read what I wrote.

Oh the irony.

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly can't read again. Or chooses not to. Everyone on here (everyone is a pretty big number!) also has a story about PC being annoying or an inconvenience.

But much like a minor temperature increase, that doesn't rise to your ridiculous threshold of something being a big deal. You demanded things like firings or lives ruined. No one on here has had their lives ruined by global warming (yet)... but it has potential to be catastrophic if left unaddressed. What else does that remind us of, except that we're already seeing the serious consequences popping up more and more in recent years?



No they don't. You're a liar. Link me multiple stories on here of someone PERSONALLY being beaten by a racist cop because of their skin color.

If you're gonna call me a liar and be all insulting like this when I haven't once been that way to you, then have fun with this topic. I'll move on and let you have your day. It makes zero sense to get into a big heated debate where insults are flung with a moderator.

We all saw where that got me last time. Have a good night dude.

Shame though. Even though we are disagreeing here. It could be a good discussion. Everyone else that disagrees with me on this topic was mutually respectful. So to you dudes, thanks for the chat.

 

[Cackalacky]

The vast majority of communication wasn't like what you are stating. Cherry picking tweets or memes and trying to blanket the entire argument is why everyone blows this stuff way out of proportion.

For instance... do you even know who wrote the chart Cack posted? Dollars to donuts it was an anti-PCer making fun of white priveledge. Not something meant to check your whiteness.

I'm not cherry picking memes for the love of god. I posted the Huff article and the articles that it linked. The articles that started the bad press until the Kooks closed.

Cack said it was feminists who made the chart. I just used it as extra evidence. Even if it was a joke, the articles I linked are not. And one of them was so outlandish and not factual that the publication pulled it, but not until after the Kooks had to close.

And besides, the article you posted was literally just a list of cherry-picked internet comments. I don't get how you can just blow off evidence from more reputable sources and then act like your one link from "uproxx" (whatever the hell that is) is evidence that a lot of this backlash was not because the owners were white.

I'm not even saying that all of it was, but can you really not see that a significant portion (a portion that played a large part in pressuring the business to close) was building this as a "white people vs POC" thing?

Cack literally said from the beginning it was produced by a feminist.

Man, you aren't even trying...

Guys, I never ever post in this thread and I may not be reading the pulse of the thread correctly. That being said that image was linked to a College of New York sociology blog page made by five college girls talking about cultural appropriation of black culture. It also has a reference to freshfeminism.tumblr.com. Tracking that back doesnt work. So IDK.

I honestly dont know who made it. I was being glib really. I was not being serious. I just wanted to give you white males, except for Lax, a hard time.

 

[IrishLax]

If you're gonna call me a liar and be all insulting like this when I haven't once been that way to you, then have fun with this topic. I'll move on and let you have your day. It makes zero sense to get into a big heated debate where insults are flung with a moderator.

We all saw where that got me last time. Have a good night dude.

Shame though. Even though we are disagreeing here. It could be a good discussion. Everyone else that disagrees with me on this topic was mutually respectful. So to you dudes, thanks for the chat.

Post the multiple stories of people PERSONALLY being beaten by racist cops because of their skin color and I will quit the site until the fall.

I called that post a lie because you just said something categorically untrue and you knew it was untrue when you typed it. You just lied about all of these personal stories of racist police brutality that everyone has shared on here. They don't exist. You are Trump with "alternative facts."

And rather than own your BS, you're going to run away. Like I said, put up the proof and I'll leave the site. You won't, because it doesn't exist. No one has shared a story like that (much less multiple people sharing multiple), but Bluto probably came the closest with his multi-decade old story of someone multiple degrees of separation away that was a compatriot of his previous generation.

 

[woolybug25]

Post the multiple stories of people PERSONALLY being beaten by racist cops because of their skin color and I will quit the site until the fall.

I called that post a lie because you just said something categorically untrue and you knew it was untrue when you typed it. You just lied about all of these personal stories of racist police brutality that everyone has shared on here. They don't exist. You are Trump with "alternative facts."

And rather than own your BS, you're going to run away. Like I said, put up the proof and I'll leave the site. You won't, because it doesn't exist. No one has shared a story like that (much less multiple people sharing multiple), but Bluto probably came the closest with his multi-decade old story of someone multiple degrees of separation away that was a compatriot of his previous generation.

Wowzas. You're comment said "affected by police brutality" not "personally beaten by a cop".

Sheesh... but if it makes you stop shaking, feel free to call me a lying idiot scum bag. Call me whatever, but I CLEARLY triggered you here. I asked twice before to lower the temperature and now you're at red hot. So cool down homie, as third times the charm for me, if you can't chill then I'll stop posting on the topic. We good or do you need me to let some blood?

 

[IrishLax]

Wowzas. You're comment said "affected by police brutality" not "personally beaten by a cop".

This is exactly why I'm hot. This is going to be my last post and I'm just going to try to explain why I've been pissed and then let it go.

I said "a personal story of being victim of racist police brutality"... not "affected"... I said an actual victim of police brutality (the lowest form of which would obviously be assault... which is why I said "beaten" in the follow up).

It's like the 5th time in a row you've twisted or sidestepped or misquoted what I said. It's not actually a big deal... and FWIW I have never banned someone for arguing with me, period. But yeah, obviously I have been triggered AF in this thread since basically when I said: "... you have an organized movement of PC'ers targeting 60+ restaurants in Portland for harassment/trolling with the aim of putting them out of business... literally all I want you to admit is that there are in fact a substantial group of people who are being adversely affected by over-aggressive PC culture."

I would've expected you to say -- "Yeah, that's true" or "No, I don't agree because 60 restaurants isn't a big deal because..." and instead you came back with:

Do you personally know these chicks? Ate at their restaurant? Any cousins friends old roommates ever date one?

I can find probably more cases of beastiality than I can of "angry mobs of PC'ers" over the last year. Hell, one happened in Middlebury a few weeks ago (probably Rack Em).

Does that mean pony porking is a widespread issue effecting society?

To me, that shows you're posting in bad faith. What you responded with had nothing to do with what I said in the post you quoted. I literally didn't even mention Kooks, and my post was three total sentences that had nothing to do with their burritos. You either didn't read it carefully, or intentionally chose to sidestep my very reasonable point and try to troll about some animal fucking nonsense.

It is what it is, I'm packing up here at the office so that's it for me. None of this is actually matters at the end of the day... you either understand why that was annoying to me, or you don't. Either way it's not some serious situation and I'm just gonna call it a night rather than waste more time on the subject.

 

[wizards8507]

Well shit. I just came in here to ask Camp if he's ever tried Hank Sauce and you all had to get all serious and ruin it.

 

[IrishLion]

Well shit. I just came in here to ask Camp if he's ever tried Hank Sauce and you all had to get all serious with it

I tried to keep them on topic, but it was a failed endeavour.

Sweet Baby Ray's makes a pretty legit buffalo sauce the substitutes for hot sauce pretty well.