Nov 7 | Clemson

[T Town Tommy]

We likely win the game and Clemson probably doesn't make the playoffs. That changes the view a bit

ND wins this game and the Irish likely make the playoffs.

 

[NDohio]

Interesting couple of days spent in the Greenville, SC area this week being surrounded by Clemson fans.

Two topics that really stood out to me:

* They are not happy with the regression of Trevor Lawrence and the overall offense this season. They felt like even though they destroyed teams, the offense never really looked in sync. They also felt like Lawrence kind of mailed it in this season and couldn't just turn it on for the playoffs. It's funny to hear their perspective on this.

* They are scared of their game at South Bend next season. The game being in November has them really, really nervous.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Interesting couple of days spent in the Greenville, SC area this week being surrounded by Clemson fans.

Two topics that really stood out to me:

* They are not happy with the regression of Trevor Lawrence and the overall offense this season. They felt like even though they destroyed teams, the offense never really looked in sync. They also felt like Lawrence kind of mailed it in this season and couldn't just turn it on for the playoffs. It's funny to hear their perspective on this.

* They are scared of their game at South Bend next season. The game being in November has them really, really nervous.

I mean I get it - it will be cold. But the Irish haven't necessarily shown the propensity to take advantage of poor weather conditions. Clemson wouldn't really be at a disadvantage. I just want to see a good, competitive game.

 

[Circa]

Literally by every measure says otherwise. Maybe our defense was able to slow things down and keep us in it for a window of time, but it was like 20-3 or something at half. We had very little success on third down and with 250 total yards we weren't moving the ball. So even if Love stays in and the D was able to keep it close, there was no sign of offensive production that could win the game.

It isn't just the play on Offense that kept us outta the game, I can remember Chase dropping an easy 3rd down conversion and I'll always wonder what If... also some terrible officiating. I don't think we win the game but once the officials show a team that you can't win regardless of the way you play... Not just us but most Teams shut it down emotionally. Unacceptable.

You can see turning points in every game we win and every game we lose. We seem to lose on an official's questionable call being the turning point more than we win.
I could give numerous examples.. I'm just too tired.

 

[Circa]

In 2015 Notre Dame played no where near a perfect game. If Chris Brown doesn’t fumble at the 2 yard line the history of Modern Clemson football would be a different narrative.


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We had them beat and I agree with your statement 100... The eye of the tiger and Drogo was down for the count In hurricane conditions on the road.
Maybe... just maybe If Kizer wasn't so damn arrogant and ran the play the way It was intended... We win.

 

[317Irish]

We had them beat and I agree with your statement 100... The eye of the tiger and Drogo was down for the count In hurricane conditions on the road.
Maybe... just maybe If Kizer wasn't so damn arrogant and ran the play the way It was intended... We win.

I’ll bite... was it meant to go to the outside? My memory is that he just didn’t have much of a chance on the 2 pt conversion if that’s what you were referring to...

 

[Circa]

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[Bluto]

In 2015 Notre Dame played no where near a perfect game. If Chris Brown doesn’t fumble at the 2 yard line the history of Modern Clemson football would be a different narrative.


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You kind of proved my point. Clemson took there foot off the gas in the second half. ND screws up (ie didn’t play a perfect game) and guess what? ND lost.

“We would have beat them if we had played better” I mean, duh.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I have to say that merely stating our defense was "holding it's own" against Clemson before Love went down is being disingenuous. They were stonewalling them.

Lawrence was running for his life, Etienne was finding zero space and their tandem of Higgins and Ross weren't getting open in time.

It wasn't just Love going down, but Okwara and Gilman were also lost for a time as well. Lea backed off and Clemson took advantage of the lull and grew an insurmountable lead.

I do agree, that ND was probably going to lose that game regardless, but I imagine we'd look at things pretty differently with a 3-17 or 10-23 loss, rather than a 3-30 one.

 

[Irish8248]

I have to say that merely stating our defense was "holding it's own" against Clemson before Love went down is being disingenuous. They were stonewalling them.

Lawrence was running for his life, Etienne was finding zero space and their tandem of Higgins and Ross weren't getting open in time.

It wasn't just Love going down, but Okwara and Gilman were also lost for a time as well. Lea backed off and Clemson took advantage of the lull and grew an insurmountable lead.

I do agree, that ND was probably going to lose that game regardless, but I imagine we'd look at things pretty differently with a 3-17 or 10-23 loss, rather than a 3-30 one.

I agree with almost all of this and that's what I was inferring. While I don't think we were stonewalling them (they were moving the ball, had timely help from the officials good field position from turnovers) but our D came up big as the field got shorter. So my point that I was making was our 1st string D was not outmatched but despite their ability we were never going to win that game because our offense wasn't doing jack shit for 4 quarters. Their D vs our O was a significant advantage for them.

And to Circas point, there were mishaps throughout the game but i believe it was just a result of never bring able to find a groove. Good teams recover and we just stumbled.

 

[arrowryan]

I mean I get it - it will be cold. But the Irish haven't necessarily shown the propensity to take advantage of poor weather conditions. Clemson wouldn't really be at a disadvantage. I just want to see a good, competitive game.

It all depends on what kind of November day it'll be in South Bend. There is a 99% chance this game is played at night so there's a pretty good chance its in the high 30s by kickoff. Where it can get hairy is if there is freezing rain or snow.

I'm not saying Clemson is going to come out like Miami did in the Sun Bowl and just look uninterested. But they play almost every game in the south, so this will be a huge change they'll have to adjust to.

 

[Irish#1]

To summarize........lots of "ifs".

Neither of those games will have a thing to do with this game. A lot of the players on the roster won't have even played against Clemson in the playoff game, but regardless now that they're experienced they should be better.

You will see almost all zone blocking from an O line that was considerably better than two years ago and will be intact and better this coming season. You will also see a different Book than what you saw in the playoff game. Our D will be stout again. Both of our lines will play Clemson to a stalemate which will keep us in the game.

Forget the snow or cold temps. This game is November 7. Highs in the 40's and 50's with lows upper 30's. Unless TD Jesus plans something special weather shouldn't be a factor.

 

[NDohio]

To summarize........lots of "ifs".

Neither of those games will have a thing to do with this game. A lot of the players on the roster won't have even played against Clemson in the playoff game, but regardless now that they're experienced they should be better.

You will see almost all zone blocking from an O line that was considerably better than two years ago and will be intact and better this coming season. You will also see a different Book than what you saw in the playoff game. Our D will be stout again. Both of our lines will play Clemson to a stalemate which will keep us in the game.

Forget the snow or cold temps. This game is November 7. Highs in the 40's and 50's with lows upper 30's. Unless TD Jesus plans something special weather shouldn't be a factor.

However, the fanbase is already thinking that this game could be a problem because of the weather. Let's hope that seeps into the team as well. Perception is reality...

 

[NDdomer2]

last ten year average for 7pm on Nov 7 is 40 degrees, with wind gusts around 7 mph. Certainly not warm but not exactly cold by any means either. Typically next to no precipitation historical on that day either.

 

[Irish#1]

last ten year average for 7pm on Nov 7 is 40 degrees, with wind gusts around 7 mph. Certainly not warm but not exactly cold by any means either. Typically next to no precipitation historical on that day either.

Average November 7 temps in Clemson are a high of 64 and low of upper 40's, so there will be an adjustment, but not big enough to effect them IMO. That's assuming averages hold true for this game.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

ND wins this game and the Irish likely make the playoffs.

It wouldn't be automatic, but I think beating Clemson would give them the chance to get in at 11-1.

To summarize........lots of "ifs".

Neither of those games will have a thing to do with this game. A lot of the players on the roster won't have even played against Clemson in the playoff game, but regardless now that they're experienced they should be better.

You will see almost all zone blocking from an O line that was considerably better than two years ago and will be intact and better this coming season. You will also see a different Book than what you saw in the playoff game. Our D will be stout again. Both of our lines will play Clemson to a stalemate which will keep us in the game.

Forget the snow or cold temps. This game is November 7. Highs in the 40's and 50's with lows upper 30's. Unless TD Jesus plans something special weather shouldn't be a factor.

To the bold: it seems an awful lot like the LB speculation heading into the 2019 season, but the CB situation is really iffy IMO, and the idea of Lawrence and Ross and those skill players on the outside scares me. But November is a long way away and in Lea I trust. He did wonders with the LB group this year and we all thought we were doomed on that front.

 

[mango4]

Etienne is returning

 

[CHIDomer9]

Etienne is returning

Maybe he's planning on taking Risk Management and Finance classes next semester.

 

[greyhammer90]

Etienne is returning

Welp.

 

[ulukinatme]

Unless we tank next season, the Clemson game will most certainly be a night game. I can tell you the Florida State game was cold as fucking balls in 2018, although not all November games are the same in South Bend. Florida State certainly couldn't handle it, even if they had been a good team that year.

 

[Riddickulous]

Etienne is returning

Fuuuuuck

This is only gonna make our win sweeter.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The main thing that worries me here is that Clemson is only mortal during the first half of the season. Once November hits, they're usually rounding into post-season form and can only be beaten the likes of 2019 LSU.

 

[Irish#1]

Unless we tank next season, the Clemson game will most certainly be a night game. I can tell you the Florida State game was cold as fucking balls in 2018, although not all November games are the same in South Bend. Florida State certainly couldn't handle it, even if they had been a good team that year.

It was. Temps during the game were around 26-28 degrees and there was a light breeze IIRC. My balls finally thawed just last week.

 

[Legacy]

Clemson has always been known for saving spots for walkons to give scholarships and often to in-state h.s. players. Hunter Renfrow was a prominent example who came from Myrtle Beach as a 5'10" 155# in his freshman year. Those walkons often will turn down full rides elsewhere knowing that they may earn a scholarship down the road at Clemson or just to be part of team that contends for championships. Those scholarships are not for one year only, but are renewed annually in general.

Seven walkon players who came in with the 2015 class earned scholarships, leaving last year. Three were special teamers.

Seven more walkons who got scholarships came in with the Class of 2016. Of those, five are returning.

Dabo had room when he had classes those years when the '17 Class signed 14 and the 2018 Class had 17 signees. With the '19 Class of 28 signees and the '20 Class will add another 24 so far, the crush to get to 85 will be on.

The Rivals Clemson site, which includes walkons continuing their scholarships and notes the attritions, graduations, early entrants, etc., currently has Clemson at 92 total scholarship players for 2020.

Since they've lost only one of the Class of '19, fifty-one of their 85 total players on scholarship will come from the '19 and '20 classes. Worth noting though is that fourteen of the twenty-seven signees from '19 class enrolled early.

Their EE declarations for the NFL are almost complete with only A.J. Terrell and Niles Pinckney as a possible declarations. Dabo will have to get creative to get to eighty-five while continuing to renew w/os he's given scholarships still on the roster. There are no grayshirts or blueshirts from last year. I don't think there will be any retirements for medical reasons.

 

[beryirish]

daaaammmmmnnnnnnn Etienne

 

[koonja]

What in the holy F is he doing. In terms of 2019 RBs, he was the biggest "freakshow".

Outside of Lawrence he's by far my #1 concern. I'd rather have Tee Higgins back in a heartbeat.

 

[Circa]

What in the holy F is he doing. In terms of 2019 RBs, he was the biggest "freakshow".

Outside of Lawrence he's by far my #1 concern. I'd rather have Tee Higgins back in a heartbeat.

As far as this Etienne thing goes... It's not just a recruiting thing by Dabo. It's the fact that they are making money staying exactly where they are.
Not declaring Is more of a sign in this instance, than It was with their defensive stays last year.

 

[ThePiombino]

Etienne is returning

Bummer.

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[NorthDakota]

Unless we tank next season, the Clemson game will most certainly be a night game. I can tell you the Florida State game was cold as fucking balls in 2018, although not all November games are the same in South Bend. Florida State certainly couldn't handle it, even if they had been a good team that year.

Florida State game was not bad at all. I felt pretty comfortable. Not sure how it'd feel to be on a football field getting hit though at that temp

 

[Circa]

Let's just keep hoping for the kind of cold that indoctrinates kids to wanna be apart of our Lady.
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