ND Men's Basketball 2015-2016 season

Shamrock Theories

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It is funny how so many people on this board are so quick to blame the football or basketball coach for lazy effort or bad play by the players. At what point do you start holding the players are accountable? Coaches can only do so much. In regards to the basketball team, at some point, especially this late in the season with a lot riding on this game, the players need to step up and do their part.

Unfortunately, ND doesn't have many players. Read: depth

This is per usual under Brey.

Every once in a while ND gets a guard in the program who runs the team on their own and makes ND look respectable. Atkins, Hansbrough, Grant, etc.

But since Brey never develops a bench the team always gets worn down and sucks in March.
 

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Unfortunately, ND doesn't have many players. Read: depth

This is per usual under Brey.

Every once in a while ND gets a guard in the program who runs the team on their own and makes ND look respectable. Atkins, Hansbrough, Grant, etc.

But since Brey never develops a bench the team always gets worn down and sucks in March.

Is there some reason for this lack of depth? Isn't having a deep bench and a functional defense part of coaching? Isn't a coach not doing those things like a priest not saying Mass?
 

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That is hilarious. Man, our defense is garbage. Tiring.

Last year when FSU got destroyed in South Bend they had an excuse: we had a really good team. What's our excuse?

Gave up at halftime, pitiful performance. Turnovers, inability to get any loose balls, one and done shooting, and totally dominated when on defense(?). You get blown out by a team with a 5 game losing streak? Game was over mid way thru first half.

Re-enforces the perception that ND is not a real player come tourney time.
 

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To all the people saying that ND isn't serious come tournament time, you do realize they won the ACC Tournament and made the elite 8 last year, right?
 

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To all the people saying that ND isn't serious come tournament time, you do realize they won the ACC Tournament and made the elite 8 last year, right?

Yep, this team, plus some guys named Jerian Grant and Pat Connaugton, was able to squeeze past Butler in OT, whose best player was on one leg, into the sweet 16 for the second time in Brey's 15 years at ND.

Lol
 

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Yep, this team, plus some guys named Jerian Grant and Pat Connaugton, was able to squeeze past Butler in OT, whose best player was on one leg, into the sweet 16 for the second time in Brey's 15 years at ND.

Lol

And then throttled a team in the Sweet 16, and came within a shot of beating undefeated Kentucky. Nevermind that they beat both Duke and UNC in Carolina to win the ACC. Your cherry picking of data points belies your bias.

Lol
 

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Yep, this team, plus some guys named Jerian Grant and Pat Connaugton, was able to squeeze past Butler in OT, whose best player was on one leg, into the sweet 16 for the second time in Brey's 15 years at ND.

It is remarkable how a team like UVA can become dominant so quickly. How many advantages does UVA have over us, really? Like us, they have some academic standards for athletes. They don't have as historically successful a basketball program as UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc., they don't have separate dorms for athletes, and they are not in a more talent rich area than us (by my count, VA, MD/DC and NC account for about 14% of the top 100-rated players the last 9 years; IL, IN, MI and OH account for about 15%).

They also have a tremendous defense. What are the reasons that we can't be as good as UVA?
 

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Yep, this team, plus some guys named Jerian Grant and Pat Connaugton, was able to squeeze past Butler in OT, whose best player was on one leg, into the sweet 16 for the second time in Brey's 15 years at ND.

Lol

Agree, kudos to last year's team, they had a great run. The points I think being made here are that they have looked like crap too many times this year vs inferior competition, so good luck come tourney time.
 

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And then throttled a team in the Sweet 16, and came within a shot of beating undefeated Kentucky. Nevermind that they beat both Duke and UNC in Carolina to win the ACC. Your cherry picking of data points belies your bias.

Lol


So you think this team makes it to the sweet 16? Of course you don't.

And that's my point; a team this talented and experienced should be so so so much better.

Well-coached teams play defense. Talented teams score points.

ND Offensive Efficiency Rank: 5
ND Defensive Efficiency Rank: 243

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-efficiency
 

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Well either way with the duke lose today at Pitt if we end up winning last two games then we get double bye in acc tournament
 

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So you think this team makes it to the sweet 16? Of course you don't.

And that's my point; a team this talented and experienced should be so so so much better.

Well-coached teams play defense. Talented teams score points.

ND Offensive Efficiency Rank: 5
ND Defensive Efficiency Rank: 243

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-efficiency

He never said that, you took a shot at last years team, and he defended them with good reason. I honestly don't know what you expected of this team. There was no way they would duplicate the success of last years team after losing Grant and Connaughton. I came into this year expecting 2nd round at best. They got our hopes up with that amazing run starting with UNC but they're running out of gas. IMO if they get a double bye they would have overachieved already.

In regards to why we can't be like Virignia, they haven't done any better in the tourney then we have and since that's every bodies barometer on how to judge Brey, I don't see why they should be regarded as better.
 

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This is why we can't have nice things. Finish the season with a string of wins, win a game or two in the ACC tourney and we play ourselves into a pretty good NCAA seed. Most likely we end up a 8/9 seed playing a #1 on second game - if we win the coin flip first round game. Traditionally we get paired horribly in the NCAAs, the anti-Duke (who is always protected with favorable matchups).

This team CAN beat anybody, it just can't do it consistently. Here's to and ACC tourney run and shaking down some thunder in the NCAAs!
 

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1-1 finish and then a loss in the ACC Quarterfinals....8/9 seed?

I guess I wouldn't hate it if we ended up in Nova's region...
 

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We are still a 6 seed in lunardi's bracket so if we finish the season 2-0 and possibly ly get a win in the acc tourney then a 6 seed would be very likely
 

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He never said that, you took a shot at last years team, and he defended them with good reason. I honestly don't know what you expected of this team. There was no way they would duplicate the success of last years team after losing Grant and Connaughton. I came into this year expecting 2nd round at best. They got our hopes up with that amazing run starting with UNC but they're running out of gas. IMO if they get a double bye they would have overachieved already.

In regards to why we can't be like Virignia, they haven't done any better in the tourney then we have and since that's every bodies barometer on how to judge Brey, I don't see why they should be regarded as better.

This.

I just want people to be fair - both ways - with Brey. I'd criticize someone who only looked at the good (4x conference coach of the year, 6 different recognitions of national COTY between 2011 and 2012, NCAA tournament 9 out of 10 past seasons if you include this one [which is rather rare], etc.) as equally as I'd criticize someone who cherry picks only the bad data points.

In this case, looking at someone characterizing last year's post-season results as "was able to squeeze past Butler in OT, whose best player was on one leg" is rightfully deserving of criticism. That post season included:
-Beating #2 Duke in North Carolina by 10 points on our way to our first conference championship EVER.
-Beating #19 UNC for the ACC title.
-Beating #14 Wichita State in a Sweet 16 game.
-Taking #1 and undefeated Kentucky down to the last shot in the elite 8.

The post season included all of that, and the post's author is going to try to paint it in a negative light because it took OT to beat #24 Butler. That's right, we're now complaining about how Brey beats ranked teams in post season play.
 

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Look at those matchups too - Butler and Wichita State were not favorable match ups for us relative to a lot of other similar seeded teams in other regions. And to put the ACC champ in KY's bracket was pure garbage. Duke or UNC should have been taking them on instead of us, but we all know how they have favored nation status.

Brey deserves some criticism for sure but to act like our program deserves any better is lunacy. Guy has gotten us so much further than were we were and pretty much deserves to stay as long as he wants - especially as long as we are making the NCAAs regularly.
 

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I have avoided commenting on the past two weeks, but this is what ND is this year. Road games we have been, overall, well below average. Sure we won at Duke and Clemson, but that is about it. We got blown out a few times and generally start slow. That is the concern heading into the NCAA's. For us to make a run, we need DJ playing consistently like a lottery pick (which he has not done), ZA to play at a high level all game (which he really hasn't done since last March) Bonzie and VJ to be serviceable on the defensive end while playing well on O and to have some scoring off the bench. When ND played well this year, those things happened to some degree. Consistency is lacking.

Finally, we need DJ or SV to takeover on offense when things are going bad. I feel like both of them can do it ( and have done it during certain points of various games, like L'ville) but do not do it enough to stop a mini 5-0 run. Grant did it last year and we have not filled that void yet.
 

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Look at those matchups too - Butler and Wichita State were not favorable match ups for us relative to a lot of other similar seeded teams in other regions. And to put the ACC champ in KY's bracket was pure garbage. Duke or UNC should have been taking them on instead of us, but we all know how they have favored nation status.

Brey deserves some criticism for sure but to act like our program deserves any better is lunacy. Guy has gotten us so much further than were we were and pretty much deserves to stay as long as he wants - especially as long as we are making the NCAAs regularly.

We blew that game. The fact of the matter is, this team needs to learn how to bring it every night.
 

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We blew that game. The fact of the matter is, this team needs to learn how to bring it every night.

I agree - we blew it against the undefeated #1 team in March. The point is, that game should have been in the finals, not the Elite Eight.
 

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One underrated back court I wouldn't want to face in March: Notre Dame's Demetrius Jackson and Steve Vasturia. Extremely dangerous duo.
 

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2 point favorites tonight vs. #7 Miami.

2-0 down the stretch and we're essentially locked in for the #4 seed in the ACC Tournament. With a small chance at the #3 seed. Either way, 2-0 locks down the double-bye.
 

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2 point favorites tonight vs. #7 Miami.

2-0 down the stretch and we're essentially locked in for the #4 seed in the ACC Tournament. With a small chance at the #3 seed. Either way, 2-0 locks down the double-bye.

I know we're at home, but I'm surprised we are favored.
 

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I know we're at home, but I'm surprised we are favored.

As am I. This just seems like one of those games we will win for no apparent reason. Why not knock off a top-10 team at home after losing to Georgia Tech and FSU?
 

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As am I. This just seems like one of those games we will win for no apparent reason. Why not knock off a top-10 team at home after losing to Georgia Tech and FSU?

Yeah we definitely need a nice performance. We have had no offense the last 3 games it's been really bad. Our offensive efficiency the last 3 games have been around 95 I think when throughout the season we were at 119. That's a big difference and amazingly the only guy that has done anything on offense has been auguste. You would think with only a couple games left DJ (assuming it's his last season) would want to come out firing the next couple games.

Also the last 3 games we are on average 15 pts lower then our season average! And our turnover numbers have doubled the last 3 games
 
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As am I. This just seems like one of those games we will win for no apparent reason. Why not knock off a top-10 team at home after losing to Georgia Tech and FSU?

After some of the flops recently, it wouldn't surprise me if ND comes out and wins....just hope it happens because I think these 2 closing games are important for what happens next. Go Irish.
 

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After some of the flops recently, it wouldn't surprise me if ND comes out and wins....just hope it happens because I think these 2 closing games are important for what happens next. Go Irish.

Absolutely, it'll help us fans as well as the team if they can finish the season with 2 wins, one of them being a top 10 team. If not. I'd feel like it'd be two first round exits in the tourneys.
 
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