2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Booslum31]

If you think this country is divided now just wait until 4 years of Clinton or Trump.

Yup...both would/will be a disaster. Always have been amazed that those who seek power are most ill-equipped to handle power. I'm right leaning, but I can't pull the lever for Trump.

 

[kmoose]

I'd vote for Clinton over Trump. This guy obviously has narcissistic personality disorder and would be an awful president.

You think Kennedy wasn't a serious narcissist, or Clinton isn't a narcissist? Or probably 80% of all of the other famously successful people? There's plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump. Being a narcissist just doesn't seem like one of them.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't understand the Hillary hate. I don't love her, but she's basically a pretty typical politician. Trump is re-tweeting fascist leaders and is bending over backwards to maintain his support among white supremacists. That's...not typical.

 

[drayer54]

I don't understand the Hillary hate. I don't love her, but she's basically a pretty typical politician. Trump is re-tweeting fascist leaders and is bending over backwards to maintain his support among white supremacists. That's...not typical.

Don't let the debauchery of Trump 2016 blind anyone as to the evil of Hillary. I would cry a tear for America as I voted trump before I ever supported that nightmare.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Don't let the debauchery of Trump 2016 blind anyone as to the evil of Hillary. I would cry a tear for America as I voted trump before I ever supported that nightmare.

I have yet to hear a strong case for the evil of Hillary. Most of the stuff that people claim has been debunked...sometimes by republicans (see Benghazi). She's a political pragmatist who tries to triangulate positions like Bill did. That can certainly be seen as slimy, but it's no different from what everyone does.

 

[DillonHall]

You think Kennedy wasn't a serious narcissist, or Clinton isn't a narcissist? Or probably 80% of all of the other famously successful people? There's plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump. Being a narcissist just doesn't seem like one of them.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but it's so obvious that he has a personality disorder (which is a big difference clinically from simply being a narcissist)

Is Donald Trump Actually a Narcissist? Therapists Weigh In! | Vanity Fair

 

[kmoose]

I have yet to hear a strong case for the evil of Hillary. Most of the stuff that people claim has been debunked...sometimes by republicans (see Benghazi). She's a political pragmatist who tries to triangulate positions like Bill did. That can certainly be seen as slimy, but it's no different from what everyone does.

Here is the top diplomat in the entire United States, in her element as the SecState. Notice what a condescending bitch she is to this guy's honest question?

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[DillonHall]

Here is the top diplomat in the entire United States, in her element as the SecState. Notice what a condescending bitch she is to this guy's honest question?

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Did something get lost in translation, or was that question as disrespectful as it seems?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Here is the top diplomat in the entire United States, in her element as the SecState. Notice what a condescending bitch she is to this guy's honest question?

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I fail to see what you're talking about. Maybe the translator got it wrong, but the question, as stated, was disrespectful. She was pretty calm about it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Did something get lost in translation, or was that question as disrespectful as it seems?

Beat me to it...

 

[Booslum31]

Here is the top diplomat in the entire United States, in her element as the SecState. Notice what a condescending bitch she is to this guy's honest question?

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Hadn't seen that before...not a bit surprised. Just really bummed this time around.

 

[DillonHall]

Beat me to it...

Haha, it's usually rare for us to agree on anything

 

[kmoose]

I fail to see what you're talking about. Maybe the translator got it wrong, but the question, as stated, was disrespectful. She was pretty calm about it.

I fail to see anything disrespectful about it, and it was my opinion at the time, and still today, that the person asking the question meant to ask what Mr. Obama thought, through the eyes of his SecState, Mrs. Clinton, but he got nervous and flubbed it, referring to Mr. Clinton instead of Mr. Obama. And she acted like a shrew with a chip on her shoulder. Nancy Grace would have been proud of the insane venom in her response.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Haha, it's usually rare for us to agree on anything

Let's just take a moment to enjoy that.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I fail to see anything disrespectful about it, and it was my opinion at the time, and still today, that the person asking the question meant to ask what Mr. Obama thought, through the eyes of his SecState, Mrs. Clinton, but he got nervous and flubbed it, referring to Mr. Clinton instead of Mr. Obama. And she acted like a shrew with a chip on her shoulder. Nancy Grace would have been proud of the insane venom in her response.

"Mrs. Secretary of State, tell me what your husband thinks about this topic."

That's disrespectful. If she didn't realize that he flubbed it (if that's even what happened), I would have been more than a bit miffed. Especially given the perception that Hillary wouldnt be anything if she hadn't married Bill (completely overlooking her law degree and career, which many people here repeatedly do).

If you're trying to say that Hillary is evil, you're going to have to come up with a much better 51 second clip than that one.

 

[drayer54]

I have yet to hear a strong case for the evil of Hillary. Most of the stuff that people claim has been debunked...sometimes by republicans (see Benghazi). She's a political pragmatist who tries to triangulate positions like Bill did. That can certainly be seen as slimy, but it's no different from what everyone does.

I don't give a crap about Benghazi. The GOP blew that up and made it a joke.

She is just a power hungry liar (Bosnia and Chelsea at the WTC being my two favorite bold faced lies) who will say whatever the polls point her too. She has flopped on anything convenient from gays to guns and the emails do matter. I also look at the Clinton Foundation and the usage of money from all over the world to fund her campaign as a major red flag. The secret service accounts of dealing with her as First Lady also showed how she is a Tier One bitch. Plus she is the devil.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't give a crap about Benghazi. The GOP blew that up and made it a joke.

She is just a power hungry liar (Bosnia and Chelsea at the WTC being my two favorite bold faced lies) who will say whatever the polls point her too. She has flopped on anything convenient from gays to guns and the emails do matter. I also look at the Clinton Foundation and the usage of money from all over the world to fund her campaign as a major red flag. The secret service accounts of dealing with her as First Lady also showed how she is a Tier One bitch. Plus she is the devil.

The WTC story is another lie:
Dick Morris again falsely claimed Clinton said Chelsea "was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11" | Research | Media Matters for America
https://www.quora.com/Did-Hillary-C...jogging-around-the-World-Trade-Center-on-9-11

Most of what people hate about her has been discredited. People joke about the "vast right-wing conspiracy." But there are legitimately many stories about her that have been debunked.

The flopping on "gays to guns" is typical stuff...par for the political course. It's legitimately annoying, but it's not specific to Clinton. And it gets a different sort of traction when people are talking about her.

 

[kmoose]

"Mrs. Secretary of State, tell me what your husband thinks about this topic."

That's disrespectful. If she didn't realize that he flubbed it (if that's even what happened), I would have been more than a bit miffed. Especially given the perception that Hillary wouldnt be anything if she hadn't married Bill (completely overlooking her law degree and career, which many people here repeatedly do).

If you're trying to say that Hillary is evil, you're going to have to come up with a much better 51 second clip than that one.

She's not evil................ but if you want to put "For Sale" signs out at the borders, then vote for Hillary. People seem to forget all of the underhanded shit she has been linked to in her rather short political career:

Whitewater
Filegate
Pardongate
Travelgate
Looting/vandalizing the White House
Selling nights in the Lincoln bedroom for campaign contributions
Selling rides on Air Force One for campaign contributions
All of the shady financial dealings of the Clinton Foundation


If you want more of politicians being bought and paid for, and brazenly flaunting it as they practically dare "We the People" to do anything about it............ then vote for Clinton.

I'm not saying you should vote for Trump. I'm simply saying that there are VERY compelling reasons not to vote for Clinton.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm not a psychiatrist, but it's so obvious that he has a personality disorder (which is a big difference clinically from simply being a narcissist)

Is Donald Trump Actually a Narcissist? Therapists Weigh In! | Vanity Fair

This.

Trump is more than, "just egocententic" (I agree most presidents have had that).

He's literally a narcissist. I heard him on The Economist radio a couple weeks ago.

I'm going to paraphrase, but you can look for the transcripts if you're that invested. "Our military is weak, we don't win wars anymore. Nobody is afraid of anymore. I want people to be afraid of us again..."

THAT is terrifying. Is he suggesting that we are Godlike? Does he want us to put the Fear of the Lord in other nations?

I cannot stand behind someone this aggressive, this egocentric, this angry.

Can any other Republic just win, please? We can't afford to have Trump or Clinton in office.

 

[drayer54]

This.
I cannot stand behind someone this aggressive, this egocentric, this angry.

Can any other Republic just win, please? We can't afford to have Trump or Clinton in office.

I think Cruz may be worse. He seems to really really love him some Ted Cruz. I may like him less than Trump. Not sure.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Here is the top diplomat in the entire United States, in her element as the SecState. Notice what a condescending bitch she is to this guy's honest question?

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I hate the Clintons but I actually loved that response from her. You didn't catch that guy's sexist tone and phrasing there? She told him off exactly as I would have done in her situation.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I have yet to hear a strong case for the evil of Hillary. Most of the stuff that people claim has been debunked...sometimes by republicans (see Benghazi). She's a political pragmatist who tries to triangulate positions like Bill did. That can certainly be seen as slimy, but it's no different from what everyone does.

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I would argue that the Clintons have done more damage to the liberal/progressive movement in the US than any family in history. In the 1970s even the Republicans made progress under guys like Nixon with the EPA, Clean Air and Water Acts, OSHA, Endangered Species Act, they even tried to get a Guaranteed Minimum Income to replace Welfare. Then the 1980s happened, well, Reagan. But it is without question the Clintons who commandeered the supposedly liberal party and moved it to the right to the same corporatist positions that plague the GOP. Who passed NAFTA? Who gutted welfare? Who passed DOMA? Who passed Don't Ask Don't Tell?

Hillary Clinton is arguably worse because unlike Bill Clinton she hoped on board with what the neoconservatives were selling in the foreign policy aisle and wasn't just a vote but one of the leading voices in the Democratic Party in 2002/2003 during the build up for war. She helped get the Democrats on board with Bush's team while they tossed aside two centuries of American foreign policy of not invading countries unilaterally. Then in 2011 she helped drag the Obama administration into getting involved in Libya. She is a neoconservative.

Hell she helped campaign for Barry freaking Goldwater. She is not a liberal. She is not a progressive. She is a power-hungry corporatist. It's bad enough that Congress is completely owned by their donor daddies, but the Clintons put everyone to shame with how in bed (literally, with Bill) they are with the special interests.

 

[kmoose]

I hate the Clintons but I actually loved that response from her. You didn't catch that guy's sexist tone and phrasing there? She told him off exactly as I would have done in her situation.

No. I didn't catch ANY sexism from him. As I said before, I think he meant to ask her what Mr Obama thought, as she is a senior representative of the Obama administration. And the fact that the Secretary of State of the United States told some guy off exactly the same way one of us shmucks on here would is a good example of her epic incompetence.

 

[GATTACA!]

It's bad enough that Congress is completely owned by their donor daddies, but the Clintons put everyone to shame with how in bed (literally, with Bill) they are with the special interests.

 

[Buster Bluth]

No. I didn't catch ANY sexism from him. As I said before, I think he meant to ask her what Mr Obama thought, as she is a senior representative of the Obama administration. And the fact that the Secretary of State of the United States told some guy off exactly the same way one of us shmucks on here would is a good example of her epic incompetence.

Well my initial reaction was to be offended so I can see how she interpreted it the same way.

I have no problem with any member of our government stating up against a sexist remark. I think that's what she thought that was, an insinuation that she wouldn't have an opinion but would offer her husband's through her. I mean that was honestly my initial reaction.

 

[DillonHall]

Here's the bottom line: it's much easier to criticize all the other candidates instead of explaining the positive attributes of the candidate that you support. Why? Because they all suck

 

[Bishop2b5]

Always have been amazed that those who seek power are most ill-equipped to handle power.

All too true. The type of person who makes a good candidate rarely makes a good president, and the person who'd actually make a good president rarely makes a good candidate. We don't vote for intelligence and honesty and hearing hard truths. We vote for sound bites and lies and being told what we want to hear. Lincoln & Truman wouldn't stand a chance of being elected today. What a poor choice we're going to have this year: a power-hungry, unscrupulous, pathological liar with a chip on her shoulder who would sell her soul to the highest bidder (and frequently has) or a narcissistic, bombastic, misongynistic loon. God help us all.

 

[kmoose]

Well my initial reaction was to be offended so I can see how she interpreted it the same way.

I have no problem with any member of our government stating up against a sexist remark. I think that's what she thought that was, an insinuation that she wouldn't have an opinion but would offer her husband's through her. I mean that was honestly my initial reaction.

Well there you have it. I guess if you think it is ok for the nation's top diplomat to default to being offended and going "full shrew", then her response is to be applauded. But what if you expect more out of the United States Secretary of State......

 

[woolybug25]

Well there you have it. I guess if you think it is ok for the nation's top diplomat to default to being offended and going "full shrew", then her response is to be applauded. But what if you expect more out of the United States Secretary of State......

You're gonna vote for Trump. So spare us your hypocritical bullcrap about the importance of politicians being professional in their responses.

Comical.

 

[kmoose]

You're gonna vote for Trump. So spare us your hypocritical bullcrap about the importance of politicians being professional in their responses.

Comical.

Please stop trying to troll me by taking my posts and mischaracterizing them. I have repeatedly said that I will NOT vote for Trump. I think Clinton would be an absolute disaster for this country. I can't think of another candidate who would be more about special interests than her.