Nov 7 | Clemson

[T-Boone]

If we win and its cold will it count?

 

[T-Boone]

daaaammmmmnnnnnnn Etienne

Lets not have a pity party

 

[IrishLax]

What in the holy F is he doing. In terms of 2019 RBs, he was the biggest "freakshow".

Outside of Lawrence he's by far my #1 concern. I'd rather have Tee Higgins back in a heartbeat.

I'm sure he's getting paid to stay, which -- plus insurance -- doesn't make this that crazy. There is always the risk of a Lattimore or Jaylon Smith style injury, which is why I'd never stay if I was in his shoes, but I'm not in his shoes so more power to him.

 

[Circa]

Lets not have a pity party

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[koonja]

Did Simmons and CB Terrell already announce?

SIAP.

 

[gkIrish]

Did Simmons and CB Terrell already announce?

SIAP.

I know Simmons did before the season even started.

 

[Legacy]

Did Simmons and CB Terrell already announce?

SIAP.

Simmons has declared. Terrell did yesterday. Nyles Pinckney, DT has yet to announce. Higgins declared. Rodgers as well as Etienne is returning.

Behind Lawrence are a w/o to schol QB, Ben Batson, also Class of '18, Taisun Phommachanh (rated #4 in '19) and D.J. Ulagalelei (rated #1 in '20 class). Phommachanh redshirted this year.

Travis Etienne's eval by draft experts.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

ACC schedule is out... Clemson has a bye week before our game. http://theacc.com/news/2020/1/21/acc-announces-2020-football-schedule.aspx

 

[koonja]

ACC schedule is out... Clemson has a bye week before our game. http://theacc.com/news/2020/1/21/acc-announces-2020-football-schedule.aspx

Of course they do. Thanks ACC!

Appreciate the bowl game too.

 

[zelezo vlk]

At least it's Duke the week before

 

[calvegas04]

Pitt, Duke and Clem have bye weeks before ND

 

[ThePiombino]

Of course they do. Thanks ACC!



Appreciate the bowl game too.

Explain how this is the ACC's fault. Should they force their FULL-TIME members not to take byes the week before playing us?

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[fightingirish26]

Beat all seven teams this year that had byes before our game. Plus, we had a bye before Michigan.

And like others are mentioning, what do you expect/want from the ACC? They don't have to bend over for us. We are already demanding special treatment as it is.

 

[317Irish]

Explain how this is the ACC's fault. Should they force their FULL-TIME members not to take byes the week before playing us?

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Yea explain Koon! You can’t just say “thanks ACC” and not expect to have to defend yourself!!!

 

[Blazers46]

Why exactly is ND halfway in bed with the ACC?

 

[fightingirish26]

Yea explain Koon! You can’t just say “thanks ACC” and not expect to have to defend yourself!!!

twerking for koon twice in two days, could never be me

 

[koonja]

Looking at 2019 and 2020 schedules, two games the ACC opponent does not have a BYE before ND (2019 Virginia, 2020 Wake Forrest).

The other 6 games all have a BYE before ND (VT, Duke, BC, Pitt, Duke, Clemson). That's an absurd advantage for the ACC.

Add to that the fact we were 10-2 and ended playing a 7-5 team, this agreement we made with the ACC seems like we're finally learning that we got the short end of the stick.

The ACC took sleepy Jack to school.

 

[NDMIA]

Team Talent Ranking

4 @ USC
9 Clemson
33 vs Wisconsin

20 Stanford
26 Arkansas
38 Louisville
42 @ Pitt
44 Duke
45 @ GT
66 vs Wake Forest
90 Western Michigan
119 vs Navy

Idk why people are complaining about 4 teams coming off of bye weeks against us. ND doesn’t have that tough of a schedule this coming season. They probably have 8 games where pretty much no matter what they do they’ll win cause they’re so much better than the teams they’re playing. USC might be a tough road game but it could be against an interim coach as well and we don’t know how they’ll fare for a whole season. Wisconsin is a neutral site game against a team without Jonathan Taylor, Quinton Cephus and 3 OLine starters. Oh and they play Michigan the week before. I think Louisville will be better this year but we’re still much better than them on both lines. Pitt will be a tough one with their QB but it’s a different level of talent on the field. Stanford is a big question mark because they’ve got half their team in the transfer portal and I’ll be curious who comes back. I really think ND should be 8-0 going into the Clemson game and then their season will be defined by that one game. That’s not too terrible of a schedule. I’m not saying ND is 100% going 8-0 but they should be favored in probably every game except 1 next season and especially the 8 before Clemson.

 

[anarin]

I see clemson has adapted the SEC scheduling model. The Citadel after the ND game eh? lol

 

[irish4ever]

Pitt, Duke and Clem have bye weeks before ND

But ND has a bye week before the Duke game to counter their bye week!

 

[condoms SUCk]

ACC schedule is out... Clemson has a bye week before our game. http://theacc.com/news/2020/1/21/acc-announces-2020-football-schedule.aspx

I'm not surprised by this. Maybe they'll be rusty with the week off and we can get a jump on them early???

IMO, no need to b!tch and complain about this.
The ACC will be tightening the screws as time goes on to force ND football to join so get use to it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why exactly is ND halfway in bed with the ACC?

I was all in favor of staying independent personally, but in today's landscape it makes more sense to just join the ACC fully. The arrangement was originally a deal to give a new home to our other sports like Basketball, Lacross, etc. Then we kept Hockey in the B1G, which is more competitive than the ACC in that sport. Then we kept Football semi-independent still. Given the recent changes with the TV deals, the NBC contract isn't the only one anymore. It's attractive because it reaches everyone, but otherwise it's lackluster.

When it comes down to it joining the ACC completely makes more sense. It actually gives us an easier path to the playoff each season (11-1 it's no guarantee we make it to the playoff, but 11-1 plus an upset of Clemson in the conference championship is a guarantee every time). While Clemson would be a possible obstacle every season under that model, if we can't beat Clemson in a given season then we're not going to win the playoff period. Upsetting Clemson would almost guarantee a spot though, unless we have 2 or more losses in which case we don't belong anyway. Playing for a Conference Championship gives our players something else to play for too. It gives us a bigger bowl selection which helps in both recruiting and general perception. Adding Notre Dame as a full member also strengthens the ACC as a whole making the conference more legitimate.

What's the downside? It limits the schedule a bit, we may have to drop a traditional rival. We can have four out of conference games though, so that can leave USC, Stanford, Navy, and one other. That's a pretty strong schedule, especially if there's a possibility to add Clemson in a Conference Championship. I don't see a lot of other downsides. Recruiting should still be strong, we still have a reach in to California and we can include occasional games with Texas schools. We'll have a stronger presence in Florida schools too.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I was all in favor of staying independent personally, but in today's landscape it makes more sense to just join the ACC fully. The arrangement was originally a deal to give a new home to our other sports like Basketball, Lacross, etc. Then we kept Hockey in the B1G, which is more competitive than the ACC in that sport. Then we kept Football semi-independent still. Given the recent changes with the TV deals, the NBC contract isn't the only one anymore. It's attractive because it reaches everyone, but otherwise it's lackluster.

When it comes down to it joining the ACC completely makes more sense. It actually gives us an easier path to the playoff each season (11-1 it's no guarantee we make it to the playoff, but 11-1 plus an upset of Clemson in the conference championship is a guarantee every time). While Clemson would be a possible obstacle every season under that model, if we can't beat Clemson in a given season then we're not going to win the playoff period. Upsetting Clemson would almost guarantee a spot though, unless we have 2 or more losses in which case we don't belong anyway. Playing for a Conference Championship gives our players something else to play for too. It gives us a bigger bowl selection which helps in both recruiting and general perception. Adding Notre Dame as a full member also strengthens the ACC as a whole making the conference more legitimate.

What's the downside? It limits the schedule a bit, we may have to drop a traditional rival. We can have four out of conference games though, so that can leave USC, Stanford, Navy, and one other. That's a pretty strong schedule, especially if there's a possibility to add Clemson in a Conference Championship. I don't see a lot of other downsides. Recruiting should still be strong, we still have a reach in to California and we can include occasional games with Texas schools. We'll have a stronger presence in Florida schools too.

Yeah, I'm starting to move this direction too, sucks but it is what it is.
In regards to USC, Stanford and Navy. Rotate the Cali schools and drop Navy.
Does the ACC even have a hokey?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

Before we agree, the B1G must agree to jettison Ann Arbor into Lake Huron

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

The B1G would never consider giving a member any form of special status.

I don't think ND would ever cede the necessary level of control for that.

 

[koonja]

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

I'd like to think Jack is making notes of this BYE week disadvantage, along with the bowl tie in, and the money in the BIG 10 and will have great leveraging ability when we're "free" again.

If he's not, he's insubordinate.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'd like to think Jack is making notes of this BYE week disadvantage, along with the bowl tie in, and the money in the BIG 10 and will have great leveraging ability when we're "free" again.

If he's not, he's insubordinate.

?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It's an amusing thought: what cable television markets would give the B1G carriage rights fees (which don't currently) if ND's games were bundled in?

 

[greyhammer90]

I was all in favor of staying independent personally, but in today's landscape it makes more sense to just join the ACC fully. The arrangement was originally a deal to give a new home to our other sports like Basketball, Lacross, etc. Then we kept Hockey in the B1G, which is more competitive than the ACC in that sport. Then we kept Football semi-independent still. Given the recent changes with the TV deals, the NBC contract isn't the only one anymore. It's attractive because it reaches everyone, but otherwise it's lackluster.

When it comes down to it joining the ACC completely makes more sense. It actually gives us an easier path to the playoff each season (11-1 it's no guarantee we make it to the playoff, but 11-1 plus an upset of Clemson in the conference championship is a guarantee every time). While Clemson would be a possible obstacle every season under that model, if we can't beat Clemson in a given season then we're not going to win the playoff period. Upsetting Clemson would almost guarantee a spot though, unless we have 2 or more losses in which case we don't belong anyway. Playing for a Conference Championship gives our players something else to play for too. It gives us a bigger bowl selection which helps in both recruiting and general perception. Adding Notre Dame as a full member also strengthens the ACC as a whole making the conference more legitimate.

What's the downside? It limits the schedule a bit, we may have to drop a traditional rival. We can have four out of conference games though, so that can leave USC, Stanford, Navy, and one other. That's a pretty strong schedule, especially if there's a possibility to add Clemson in a Conference Championship. I don't see a lot of other downsides. Recruiting should still be strong, we still have a reach in to California and we can include occasional games with Texas schools. We'll have a stronger presence in Florida schools too.

I think a rationale exists for making a move to join a conference (though I remain unconvinced) but most of your reasons for doing so are very focused on what the market looks like right now. I would hate to throw away decades of tradition due to a landscape that is ripe to change in the next 5 years.

In particular I think any ND fan worrying about making long-term moves to get into the playoffs is being shortsighted. The playoffs are going to expand within the next 10 years. That's as close to a 100% guaranteed change as you can anticipate. The chances that an 11-1 ND team doesn't get into an 8 team playoff is very unlikely. I'd even say that a 10-2 ND team would probably get in most years (so long as they don't have a total public embarrassment like this year's team).

You've also got to consider scheduling when trying to put together a good "path to the playoffs." You really want to be locked into 8 ACC conference games plus USC, Navy, and Stanford? That's 11 games of P5-quality opponents, with no option to add any interesting/fun games like UGA because it would mean we were basically killing our season. USC is going to wake up. That's inevitable. FSU is probably going to wake up for the occasional big game. The schedule outlook is as good as it's been in my lifetime, so I'm not super eager to throw my lot in with the ACC right now.

One good reason for joining a conference is money.

Does it look like we need the money?