2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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Whiskeyjack

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This is an actual thing.

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The Republican candidates are making junk jokes.
 

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This is an actual thing.

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The Republican candidates are making junk jokes.

Seems like a bad look to me. He's supposed to be the serious anti-Trump candidate. Stooping to his level won't work IMO. Think there's a pretty good saying about arguing with idiots that applies as well. He's not going to beat Trump at his own game.
 
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Seems like a bad look to me. He's supposed to be the serious anti-Trump candidate. Stooping to his level won't work IMO. Think there's a pretty saying about arguing with idiots that applies as well. He's not going to beat Trump at his own game.

Desperation.
 

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I don't care what they have to do to stop Trump. I'm just waiting for the Donald to advocate slave states.
 

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Can someone use Photoshop to replace "Fox News" with Trump? I feel like that could go viral.
 

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I don't follow the election. One thing that scares me about Trump is that he's going to get excited on stage one day while president, and say something that causes a war/bombing. Maybe not his intention, but he seems to be more of a tinderbox than other candidates.
 

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Koon, nice to see that you took a break from analyzing recruiting tape to post about a trivial topic like the 2016 election. :wink:
 
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koonja

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Koon, nice to see that you took a break from analyzing recruiting tape to post about a trivial topic like the 2016 election. :wink:

I'm of the opinion (fact) my vote will never matter. I get influencing others to vote, and I get that it makes for a more informed-me, but I'm busy and will pay taxes either way, and I see how much time/emotion people put into this, so I just roll with it.

Also I haven't watched film in probably months, those days may be behind me. Too busy and I don't even have kids yet :(.
 

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I'm of the opinion (fact) my vote will never matter. I get influencing others to vote, and I get that it makes for a more informed-me, but I'm busy and will pay taxes either way, and I see how much time/emotion people put into this, so I just roll with it.

Also I haven't watched film in probably months, those days may be behind me. Too busy and I don't even have kids yet :(.
Your one single vote, albeit small, has more worth and importance than your post count.
 

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http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/12/03/3727303/donald-trump-kill-isis-family-members/

So, I'm not sure how I missed this (never heard this until the John Oliver video).

How, in the world, could anyone support a president that supports "killing the families of jihadist" in order to "stop them".

That, is a war crime... You cannot do that. You can't even hint or joke about something like that. You can't. That is absurd. That is absolutely crazy.

And how is this not a bigger deal? How does this not destroy his candidacy? We're talking about suggestions of war crime tactics... Is this us "great plan" to eliminate isis?

I'm beginning to think Trump is one of those people who believes, "we should just drop an h-bomb on them, because that'll teach 'em".

This guy has went from a joke, to frightening.
 
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Glenn Beck is teasing that he's going to drop bombs at CPAC. Sounds like he might go after Fox and the donor-industrial complex.
 

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But when the former secretary of state faces off with either of the other two top Republicans, things are much tighter and roughly the same as they were in January. Clinton trails against Rubio, with 50% choosing the Florida senator compared to 47% for Clinton, identical to the results in January. Against Cruz, Clinton holds 48% to his 49%, a slight tightening from a 3-point race in January to a 1-point match-up now
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To Defeat ISIS, Trump Openly Suggests Committing War Crimes | ThinkProgress

So, I'm not sure how I missed this (never heard this until the John Oliver video).

How, in the world, could anyone support a president that supports "killing the families of jihadist" in order to "stop them".

That, is a war crime... You cannot do that. You can't even hint or joke about something like that. You can't. That is absurd. That is absolutely crazy.

And how is this not a bigger deal? How does this not destroy his candidacy? We're talking about suggestions of war crime tactics... Is this us "great plan" to eliminate isis?

I'm beginning to think Trump is one of those people who believes, "we should just drop an h-bomb on them, because that'll teach 'em".

This guy has went from a joke, to frightening.

Because the vast majority of people that support him probably agree with the idea.
 

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Because the vast majority of people that support him probably agree with the idea.
I don't think that's right. My experience with Trump supporters is not them saying "yeah, I agree with everything he says," but more often "don't listen to what he says, just look how awesome it is that he's so un-PC that he says it."
 

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I don't think that's right. My experience with Trump supporters is not them saying "yeah, I agree with everything he says," but more often "don't listen to what he says, just look how awesome it is that he's so un-PC that he says it."

I don't know any Trump supporters so I will defer to you on it.
 

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Under no circumstances would I vote for Clinton... the big question is could I vote for Trump... don't think I can.

You're not alone. I don't think I can either.

I don't think that's right. My experience with Trump supporters is not them saying "yeah, I agree with everything he says," but more often "don't listen to what he says, just look how awesome it is that he's so un-PC that he says it."

Agreed. The perception of his supporters is that politicians on both sides are more concerned with non-citizens than citizens. They eat this type of blunt rhetoric up with respect to Islam and immigration.
 

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Staring at the Conservative Gutter - WSJ

In the late 1950s, Bill Buckley decreed that nobody whose name appeared on the masthead of the American Mercury magazine would be published in the pages of National Review. The once-illustrious Mercury of H.L. Mencken had become a gutter of far-right anti-Semites. Buckley would not allow his magazine to be tainted by them.

The word for Buckley’s act is “lustration,” and for two generations it upheld the honor of the mainstream conservative movement. Liberals may have been fond of claiming that Republicans were all closet bigots and that tax cuts were a form of racial prejudice, but the accusation rang hollow because the evidence for it was so tendentious.

Donald Trump campaigning in Madison, Ala., Feb. 28. ENLARGE
Donald Trump campaigning in Madison, Ala., Feb. 28. PHOTO: TAYLOR HILL/WIREIMAGE
Not anymore. The candidacy of Donald Trump is the open sewer of American conservatism. This Super Tuesday, polls show a plurality of GOP voters intend to dive right into it, like the boy in the “Slumdog Millionaire” toilet scene. And they’re not even holding their noses.

In recent weeks, Mr. Trump has endorsed the Code Pink view of the Iraq War (Bush lied; people died). He has cited and embraced an aphorism of Benito Mussolini. (“It’s a very good quote,” Mr. Trump told NBC’s Chuck Todd.) He has refused to release his “very beautiful” tax returns. And he has taken his time disavowing the endorsement of onetime Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke—offering, by way of a transparently dishonest excuse, that “I know nothing about David Duke.” Mr. Trump left the Reform Party in 2000 after Mr. Duke joined it.

None of this seems to have made the slightest dent in Mr. Trump’s popularity. If anything it has enhanced it. In the species of political pornography in which Mr. Trump trafficks, the naughtier the better. The more respectable opinion is scandalized by whatever pops out of the Donald’s mouth, the more his supporters cheer him for sticking it to the snobs and the scolds. The more Mr. Trump traduces the old established lines of decency, the more he affirms his supporters’ most shameless ideological instincts.

Those instincts have moved beyond the usual fare of a wall with Mexico, a trade war with China, Mr. Trump’s proposed Muslim Exclusion Act, or his scurrilous insinuations about the constitutionality of Ted Cruz’s or Marco Rubio’s presidential bids.

What too many of Mr. Trump’s supporters want is an American strongman, a president who will make the proverbial trains run on time. This is a refrain I hear over and over again from Trump supporters, who want to bring a businessman’s efficiency to the federal government. If that means breaking with a few democratic niceties, so be it.

Mr. Trump is happy to indulge the taste. “I hear the Rickets [sic] family, who own the Chicago Cubs, are secretly spending $’s against me,” Mr. Trump tweeted Feb. 22 about the Ricketts family of T.D. Ameritrade fame. “They better be careful, they have a lot to hide!” What happens when Mr. Trump starts sending similar tweets as president? The question isn’t an idle one, since the candidate has also promised to “open up the libel laws” as president so he can more easily sue hostile journalists. Is trashing the First Amendment another plank in making America great again?

No wonder Mr. Trump earns such lavish praise not only from Mr. Duke or Vladimir Putin, but also from French ur-fascist Jean Marie Le Pen, who once described Nazi Germany’s gas chambers as “a detail of history” and now says that if he were American he’d vote for Mr. Trump, “may God protect him.” With the instinct of house flies, they recognize the familiar smell, and they want more of it.

Mr. Trump exemplifies a new political wave sweeping the globe—leaders coming to power through democratic means while avowing illiberal ends. Hungary’s Viktor Orban is another case in point, as is Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan. A Trump presidency—neutral between dictatorships and democracies, opposed to free trade, skeptical of traditional U.S. defense alliances, hostile to immigration—would mark the collapse of the entire architecture of the U.S.-led post-World War II global order. We’d be back to the 1930s, this time with an America Firster firmly in charge.

That’s the future Mr. Trump offers whether his supporters realize it or not. Bill Buckley and the other great shapers of modern conservatism—Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, Robert Bartley and Irving Kristol—articulated a conservatism that married economic dynamism to a prudent respect for tradition, patriotism and openness to the wider world. Trumpism is the opposite of this creed: moral gauchery plus economic nationalism plus Know Nothingism. It is the return of the American Mercury, minus for now (but only for now) the all-but inevitable anti-Semitism.

It would be terrible to think that the left was right about the right all these years. Nativist bigotries must not be allowed to become the animating spirit of the Republican Party. If Donald Trump becomes the candidate, he will not win the presidency, but he will help vindicate the left’s ugly indictment. It will be left to decent conservatives to pick up the pieces—and what’s left of the party.
 

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To Defeat ISIS, Trump Openly Suggests Committing War Crimes | ThinkProgress

So, I'm not sure how I missed this (never heard this until the John Oliver video).

How, in the world, could anyone support a president that supports "killing the families of jihadist" in order to "stop them".

That, is a war crime... You cannot do that. You can't even hint or joke about something like that. You can't. That is absurd. That is absolutely crazy.

And how is this not a bigger deal? How does this not destroy his candidacy? We're talking about suggestions of war crime tactics... Is this us "great plan" to eliminate isis?

I'm beginning to think Trump is one of those people who believes, "we should just drop an h-bomb on them, because that'll teach 'em".

This guy has went from a joke, to frightening.

This is exactly my point of view. He's also advocating torture "because they deserve it." I don't think he'd even hesitate to drop the big one on Syria, or North Korea, or Iran. This guy has a strong opinion about everything, and understanding about very little. He doesn't strike me as someone who would consider the consequences of his actions (let alone admit that he made a mistake). He's all about shooting his mouth off and when anyone disagrees, constantly escalating the conflict. If we learned nothing from these primaries so far we should have learned that much. Frightening is right!
 

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Because the vast majority of people that support him probably agree with the idea.

This is one of the scary things... Too often people didn't want to go to war in middle east, they don't want to send aide to help other countries.. they view it as not their problem... They don't see big picture that if we didn't do the things we do, it could have long range ramifications...

Trump taps into this group of people who just like that "he tells it like it is" even though its not the case... Trump will say kill all muslims, and this group will agree because its frightening to think how many people in this country cares about them and their needs and could care less about how it affects other people or cultures...

"If you don't like it, leave"

SMH
 

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Just saw my first Trump supporter on Facebook. What is the proper protocol for engaging with a friend who is threatening the future of the country?
 

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I don't think that's right. My experience with Trump supporters is not them saying "yeah, I agree with everything he says," but more often "don't listen to what he says, just look how awesome it is that he's so un-PC that he says it."

Fear of terrorism strongly correlates with support for Trump. His shtick is this:

"Our elites are incompetent. They don't understand how to fight ISIS. Jihadists have no honor; you can't fight fair against these guys. You've got to go after their women and children. Putin (who is a very strong leader, by the way) has been doing this successfully for years with the Chechens. Bush and Obama wouldn't go far enough, and neither with Hillary, but I will. I'm the only candidate who is willing to do what is necessary to protect the American people."

And the crowd goes wild. Never mind that he just promised to commit war crimes; he's going to keep us safe.

We know that the fears he's exploiting are objectively unreasonable, but the average poster on IE is far more secure (economically, culturally, etc.) than most Trump supporters. This is why our elites have to do a better job of addressing the concerns of our working class-- they become easy marks for demagoguery otherwise.
 
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