2019 @UGA Post Game Thread

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You know we won't get Iowa, Wisconsin, Florida, right? It will be a pissed off Ohio State or LSU.

So? What's your point? If we can't hang with the top non playoff team, why are we even discussing playoffs?

We've beaten LSU the past two times we've played them, the latest being 2017. They look damn good this year but let's see how polished that offense is when they play SEC defenses instead of lighting up "DBU" in Austin. (Lol at any Big 12 school claiming any status of that nature on Defense)

OSU has a new coach and has looked like world beaters, but they're untested.

Not to mention, you say "pissed off," so I assume you are implying they're mad because they will have missed the CFP....UGA made it pretty obvious how "pissed off" they were last year, yet look at what they did against UT.
 
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So? What's your point? If we can't hang with the top non playoff team, why are we even discussing playoffs?

We've beaten LSU the past two times we've played them, the latest being 2017. They look damn good this year but let's see how polished that offense is when they play SEC defenses instead of lighting up "DBU" in Austin. (Lol at any Big 12 school claiming any status of that nature on Defense)

OSU has a new coach and has looked like world beaters, but they're untested.

Not to mention, you say "pissed off," so I assume you are implying they're mad because they will have missed the CFP....UGA made it pretty obvious how "pissed off" they were last year, yet look at what they did against UT.

I think his point is, we'll get a team that is rolling heading into the bowl game, they just have one loss. We've seen it time and again, when we really should get an Iowa or such, we get those teams.
 

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I think his point is, we'll get a team that is rolling heading into the bowl game, they just have one loss. We've seen it time and again, when we really should get an Iowa or such, we get those teams.

I took it as tired of playing the same teams. Crap we played LSU twice one year - so lame.

We will be getting the very best non-CFP team - pretty much like we always do. In the past that was a gross over-match but if we are essentially #5 we should be in good shape against any non-CFP team.
 

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I took it as tired of playing the same teams. Crap we played LSU twice one year - so lame.

We will be getting the very best non-CFP team - pretty much like we always do. In the past that was a gross over-match but if we are essentially #5 we should be in good shape against any non-CFP team.

It is most likely that we would end up playing SEC #3, ACC #2, or a G5 #1 if we won 10+ games. SEC #3 would clearly be the hardest given how their top 4 looks this year, but we just saw what we did @Georgia so I'm not afraid of anyone except two teams.
 

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SI has ND in a rematch w/ SC in the Sun Bowl. Of course they didn’t provide specifics but I suspect to fall to that bowl, ND would need to be a 3-4 loss team. SI went full on clickbait & then reeled in the comments b/c it was such an asinine prediction.

Then again, any bowl prediction after three games is pretty asinine for a CFB to ponder.
 

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It is most likely that we would end up playing SEC #3, ACC #2, or a G5 #1 if we won 10+ games. SEC #3 would clearly be the hardest given how their top 4 looks this year, but we just saw what we did @Georgia so I'm not afraid of anyone except two teams.

I wouldn't mind SEC #3 so long as it's not LSU, but that's only because I'm tired of the bowl match-up.
 

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SI has ND in a rematch w/ SC in the Sun Bowl. Of course they didn’t provide specifics but I suspect to fall to that bowl, ND would need to be a 3-4 loss team. SI went full on clickbait & then reeled in the comments b/c it was such an asinine prediction.

Then again, any bowl prediction after three games is pretty asinine for a CFB to ponder.

What's the date on that prediction?
 

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Looks like it was paid for by an ND fan that enjoyed the trip and hospitality in Athens.

I don't think the program itself would be like "thanks for beating us, it was a great time!"

Yeah that was my take too. Still, pretty classy to do it even if it were a fan.
 

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Apparently Jimmy Dunne is on the Board of Trustees. So fairly close to the University you could say.
 

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The comments are,................... special.

Consider the source. LSU fans will key your car, throw cups of urine on you, curse at your wife & kids, then ask how your mom's doing and offer to save you a seat at church tomorrow. They're... unique.
 

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Consider the source. LSU fans will key your car, throw cups of urine on you, curse at your wife & kids, then ask how your mom's doing and offer to save you a seat at church tomorrow. They're... unique.

My old boss was a team manager for Ole Miss in the mid 80's. Had some funny stories about LSU fans. Only place where he wasn't allowed to go in the stands for a football that landed there after a FG or PAT. State trooper told him not too. The Ole Miss QB at the time was originally from Louisiana. After the game, a couple hundred fans waited for the players to leave just to cuss him out for not going to LSU. He had a lot of good stories as his brother was playing LB for Ole Miss at the time.
 

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A couple of things:
1. on that probably ridiculous SI prediction --- The "expert" authoring that has Virginia WAY above us on bowl prestige game level, so he is assuming a UVA big victory over us Saturday;

2. I listened to Kirby Smart's press conference (monday's). He was regularly uttering respect for ND's football team. AND he singled out one player by number as someone who was a wrecker of several things they tried to do: "number 6" --- that's JOK. He said that regularly Notre Dame whipped us on the outside.
 

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A couple of things:
1. on that probably ridiculous SI prediction --- The "expert" authoring that has Virginia WAY above us on bowl prestige game level, so he is assuming a UVA big victory over us Saturday;

2. I listened to Kirby Smart's press conference (monday's). He was regularly uttering respect for ND's football team. AND he singled out one player by number as someone who was a wrecker of several things they tried to do: "number 6" --- that's JOK. He said that regularly Notre Dame whipped us on the outside.

Can you link this? I missed this post/article.
 

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Looks like it was paid for by an ND fan that enjoyed the trip and hospitality in Athens.

I don't think the program itself would be like "thanks for beating us, it was a great time!"

Not just any ND fan. Jimmy Dunne has lived an incredible life. Look him up.
 

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My old boss was a team manager for Ole Miss in the mid 80's. Had some funny stories about LSU fans. Only place where he wasn't allowed to go in the stands for a football that landed there after a FG or PAT. State trooper told him not too. The Ole Miss QB at the time was originally from Louisiana. After the game, a couple hundred fans waited for the players to leave just to cuss him out for not going to LSU. He had a lot of good stories as his brother was playing LB for Ole Miss at the time.

My good friend who is an Auburn fan has a similar story. He said they had end zone seats in Death Valley one year when Auburn visited LSU. Every time Auburn kicked a FG/XP, the fans would catch the ball and start relaying it up the stadium until it got to a fan on the top row who would then toss the ball out of Death Valley. IIRC, the net behind the goalpost happened to be down & the LSU fans took full advantage.
 

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Thanks!

Yeah, weird predictions.It seems like he is predicting Virgina to take the ACC default spot in the Orange Bowl and for Auburn to take the at large spot as SEC #4 and being ranked higher than ND. Seems extremely unlikely. It seems much more likely that ND will end up in Texas' slot if they went 11-1, and if they went 10-2 they would end up in either the Orange Bowl or Cotton Bowl depending on how other teams finish. This year is a weird year because ND only has two potential NY6 bowl slots because the Peach and Fiesta are both semifinals... not much flexibility with how the other bowls have contracted spots with various conferences.
 
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Yeah, weird predictions.It seems like he is predicting Virgina to take the ACC default spot in the Orange Bowl and for Auburn to take the at large spot as SEC #4 and being ranked higher than ND. Seems extremely unlikely. It seems much more likely that ND will end up in Texas' slot if they went 11-1, and if they went 10-2 they would end up in either the Orange Bowl or Cotton Bowl depending on how other teams finish. This year is a weird year because ND only has two potential NY6 bowl slots because the Peach and Fiesta are both semifinals... not much flexibility with how the other bowls have contracted spots with various conferences.

I thought I had read that the Cotton Bowl has first dibs, so even if ND were eligible to take a team's spot in one of the contracted bowls, the Cotton Bowl is still almost 100% certain to take ND if they qualify.
 

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Isn't there a scenario where ND can actually go to the Rose Bowl? If the B1G or PAC 12 Champ is in the playoffs? Or am I not remembering this correctly?

How awesome would that be should they miss the playoff?
 

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I thought I had read that the Cotton Bowl has first dibs, so even if ND were eligible to take a team's spot in one of the contracted bowls, the Cotton Bowl is still almost 100% certain to take ND if they qualify.

The thing to remember is that there is only one true at-large spot this year thanks to a G5 team getting an AQ to the other one.

So Cotton Bowl takes AL #1 + G5. And then the Orange Bowl has to take ACC #2 plus either ND/SEC/Big Ten. The selection basically has to be done by the bowl tie-ins + the rankings... the biggest issue this year is the lack of a good ACC #2, and I don't know if there is an out-clause if no second ACC team is ranked. The best team coming out of the ACC is likely to have minimum 3 losses.

Ultimately, whoever makes the playoffs will have massive implications. Lets say Oklahoma goes 13-0 and makes the playoffs or Texas goes 12-1 and makes the playoffs. A 10+ win ND is almost surely going to the Cotton Bowl, because Big 12 #2 will be in the Sugar Bowl. Let's say Oklahoma goes 12-1 but loses to 11-2 Texas in their conference championship game... completely plausible... and they both get left out. Well, a 10-2 or 11-1 ND team could easily get bumped by one of them from participation in the Cotton Bowl. Similar scenarios apply for a 10-2 ND relative to a top tier SEC team or Big Ten team that doesn't make the playoffs. E.g. the Orange Bowl will take a Wisconsin or Penn State if they finish ranked higher.

Bottom line? If ND finishes 11-1 they will almost certainly be in the Cotton Bowl. At 10-2 it becomes murky and depends on where other teams finish, and they could end up in either the Cotton Bowl or Orange Bowl or not in a NY6 bowl at all. ND likely has to finish somewhere 8th or higher to be guaranteed a spot (even then, in some wackadoodle scenarios it could get dicey) and being in the fringe of 10-12 makes it unlikely they get a NY6 bowl because of how weird the tie-ins are this year and the fact that both the ACC #2 and G5 team are likely to come from somewhere outside the top 12.
 

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Isn't there a scenario where ND can actually go to the Rose Bowl? If the B1G or PAC 12 Champ is in the playoffs? Or am I not remembering this correctly?

How awesome would that be should they miss the playoff?

My understanding is that they're contractually obligated to take the next best team from the conference. If that isn't true, my entire view of the scenarios is wrong because the champs from most of these conferences will be in the playoffs.
 

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Here's a freebie from Jamie at ISD:

Rudy was on the other day and when Rudy is on, somehow I always get sucked in to watching it. Maybe it’s the music or maybe it’s just Notre Dame, but it always feels special even if some of the story might have been stretched to make the movie more entertaining.

Chris Finke is a former walk-on that has some fairy tale to his story, kind of like the movie Rudy. The big difference is that Finke has done things that Rudy could only dream of.

He had the catch of the year for the Irish against Michigan last season. He was the leading receiver against USC where he dominated a key matchup against their nickel. He earned a scholarship from Notre Dame and then eventually earned his way into a starting role as a slot receiver last season. It’s pretty much everything a kid who walks on at a program like Notre Dame could ever dream of.

Unfortunately he had a nightmarish game on Saturday.

Though he made the best grab an Irish receiver has made in 2019, he also had a key drop that led to an interception. In general it has been a pretty miserable start aside from one big play against New Mexico last week. That 54-yard touchdown was a highlight, but he’s only put up 6 catches for 27 yards outside of that.

This was supposed to be a big season for him in his 5th year and he had a very good spring. His first ¼ has not lived up to expectations, though.

I have seen people react to this last game, and maybe his first three games, as a reason to bench him. While I can understand the frustration after that drop and his lack of production, I really am confused by people saying he should be replaced when he is not playing his best position in order to help the team. There also has been instances where I have seen him open for receptions when Ian Book hasn’t been able to find him.

I think what Javon McKinley did a couple of weeks ago was a great story. He was a highly touted recruit who hadn’t lived up the expectations since he arrived on campus. It looked like there was a time this offseason where he might not be on the team tat all.

For him to stick it out and make two big impact plays when he had zero career catches headed into the season is remarkable. I’m happy for him.

What he did in his fourth year for the first time is what Finke did against Virginia Tech back in 2016 when the former walk-on beat a 4-star slot corner on a post for a touchdown. Then Finke had a year of solid production as a starter on a 12-1 team and became a captain in his final season.

I’ll admit that I didn’t believe that he would eventually work his way into a starter and do what he has done so far at Notre Dame despite him having continued success in practices early in his career. But Finke can help this team win football games this season and has earned a chance to continue to prove he can.

He proved me wrong and I would bet he’ll prove the people calling for him to be benched wrong before all is said and done in 2019.

2. Completing deep passes against Georgia wasn’t an issue. Ian Book found success doing it with a couple of big plays to Cole Kmet, a back shoulder completion to Chase Claypool, and a 50/50 ball off of a double move by Lawrence Keys.

After watching that, my main question would be, “Why not more ?”

Not just in that game, but overall. The offense needs to push the ball vertically down the field more. Even those plays were between 20-25 yards from the line of scrimmage when they were caught. I’d like to see Chip Long open up things more with more targets longer than that.

Maybe we’ll see that change with an infusion of speed coming with Michael Young and Braden Lenzy both hopefully returning this week from injuries. Even without those guys, I’d like to see more of putting some air under it and letting Chase Claypool go up and get it.

I don’t believe we’ll see too many explosive plays from the running backs any time soon. I’d like to see more stretching the field with the receivers to make up for that.

3. We spent a lot of time in fall camp talking about the potential for the offense this season and it seemed like it could be very good from game one. Three games in and there has been some good things that have happened, but certainly not anywhere close to what I would have expected prior to the season.

Injuries have played a big part in the offense not playing up to expectations. To beat programs like Georgia, I think it’s fair to say that Notre Dame needed all hands on deck at the skill positions. Or maybe not all hands, but most.

Look at what Cole Kmet did. By the end of the game it was clear that he and Claypool were the difference makers. I doubt that Jafar Armstrong, Michael Young, and Braden Lenzy could be considered there with them against Georgia, but even two big plays out of that group combined with with what Lawrence Keys and Tommy Tremble did could have been the difference between winning and losing.

That’s not even including Kevin Austin in there and I believe he would have helped as well.

Notre Dame is 14th in S&P+ for offense right now. They’re 19th in yards per play. That’s pretty good, but it feels like they are underachieving and not having the available talent we thought they had has a lot to do with it in my opinion.

If they can be healthy and mostly stay that way over the next month or two, it will be interesting to see if they can be as good as most people were talking about in August.

4. Georgia felt like a coming out party for the new starters on defense even if they already did some nice things in the first couple of weeks. Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa especially was someone who I felt looked more than capable of holding his own against the vaunted Georgia offensive line.

He’s not Jerry Tillery, at least not yet, but I’m excited to see where MTA will be in November if this is how he looks now. The arrow is pointing way up for him. I think he’s going to get better and better this fall and be an absolute beast in 2020.

5. With so much focus on what just happened, it doesn’t feel real that Notre Dame is facing an undefeated top-20 team this weekend. But they are and Virginia could present some interesting problems for Notre Dame, especially on offense.

I think everyone will want to see the Irish get back to running the ball a lot this week, but Virginia is only giving up 2.17 yards per carry (2.93 vs their two Power 5 opponents). That would make you think they won’t try to run as much and we’ll see a similar game plan to what we saw against Georgia.

Virginia coach Bronco Mendenhall brought a pretty great run defense with him to South Bend in 2012 when he was the coach at BYU. They finished the season 3rd in YPC given up (2.74) and 2nd in S&P+ rushing defense.

Notre Dame ran for 270 yards and 6.28 YPC against them. They ran for over 200 and 5.0 YPC in 2013 as well.

This is a different team, different personnel, and Mendenhall has given more freedom to his defensive coordinator than before, but that did catch my eye.

So maybe this won’t be a pass-happy Notre Dame team we see on Saturday against a good run defense. Maybe we see the Irish get back to a more balanced attack and burst the bubble of Virginia’s run defense.

6. It’s always premature to talk about making the Playoff at this point in the season, especially after a loss, but I think it’s fair to say that the odds are going to be stacked against Notre Dame to be selected even if they run the table.

It doesn’t look like they are going to have the quality wins to impress the committee with Michigan looking much weaker than expected and Stanford looking like they may struggle to qualify for a bowl game. There’s a chance that Virginia could be the best team they face the rest of the season and we really don’t know how good Virginia is yet.

Notre Dame has to worry about winning first, but right after that, they have to think about how it will look. The biggest reason Ohio State made it when it looked like they weren’t going to in 2014 had to do with how they won down the stretch. They finished very strong with a two touchdown win against Michigan and then a 59-0 destruction of 11th ranked Wisconsin.

That was in the Big Ten title game and Notre Dame doesn’t have that extra chance to show the committee something when everyone else does. That means that for the rest of the season, we have to see the Irish steadily get better and better on both sides of the ball with them crushing teams in November to finish on a high note.

That has not been what we have seen from previous Brian Kelly teams. Even the two undefeated ones had some moments in November, but also some scares. There can’t be any of those if Notre Dame wants to be a Playoff team this year.

They have to go Beast Mode for the last four to six weeks while finishing 11-1 to force the people watching to consider them. How likely is that to happen? Not very in my opinion. But if this team wants to go back to the Playoff, that’s what they’ll have to do to get there.
 

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"They have to go Beast Mode for the last four to six weeks while finishing 11-1 to force the people watching to consider them. How likely is that to happen? Not very in my opinion. But if this team wants to go back to the Playoff, that’s what they’ll have to do to get there."

Yep - hope Kelly can see this and orders up a few barrels of whoop ass. Has NEVER been evident in any team or even game at ND that Kelly has coached.
 

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Gentlemen, I think that we need to keep reminding ourselves that Book is being very productive WITHOUT any real threatening running back. Talk about hamstringing an offense!! Until Kmet showed Georgia his Beast Mode, we couldn't field more than ONE really threatening wide receiver (Claypool). I think that it is ASTOUNDING that Book (and Long) have been as dangerous as they have been.

Boy do I look forward to the time when our RB actually scares the opposing DC, and we have at least three receiving threats --- genuine ones, not fantasy ones or eye-test ones --- to throw to. It is my opinion that Long and Book will suddenly look like All-Stars, and so will the OLine.
 
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