'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[wizards8507]

I guess the positive way to look at what he said is you want your QB to think this way.

Bull. Tom Brady doesn't talk like that and he actually IS Tom Brady.

 

[woolybug25]

Bull. Tom Brady doesn't talk like that and he actually IS Tom Brady.

Really? He told GM's that they would regret not drafting him because he would spend the rest of his career beating them. Brady is the most self confident QB in the league.

 

[BobbyMac]

Wiz with the rare lazy read and off point response.

You want your guy to talk like this... and back it up. Quit being limps. Sack up and root for the Bird's, Magic's, Jordan's , Namath's and every member of the '85 Bears of the world.

I want my guy to cup check everyone and ask em... Which one of you Mutha F***ers is getting second?

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Deshone getting trashed on NBCsports.com

9-of-16 scouts polled by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel named Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer this year's draft-eligible quarterback likeliest to bust.
Patrick Mahomes received two likeliest-to-bust votes, Mitchell Trubisky and Deshaun Watson each got one, and one scout declined to comment. The final two scouts said all of the quarterbacks were equally risky. Kizer looked like a potential No. 1 overall pick after his sophomore year, but he temporarily got benched last year as the bottom fell out on Notre Dame's season. "He’s not as good as he should be because he’s not committed to the game," one AFC executive said of Kizer. "He’s committed to building a brand. He wants all the things that come with being a starting quarterback but doesn’t want to put in the work." Added one NFC personnel man, "(Selfishness and money are) what drives him. It's all about him. Prima donna. Thin-skinned."


Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

 

[zelezo vlk]

"He’s not as good as he should be because he’s not committed to the game," one AFC executive said of Kizer. "He’s committed to building a brand. He wants all the things that come with being a starting quarterback but doesn’t want to put in the work." Added one NFC personnel man, "(Selfishness and money are) what drives him. It's all about him. Prima donna. Thin-skinned."

Lol wat.

 

[dublinirish]

Lol wat.

basically the cam newton treatment

 

[stlnd01]

The way the NFL treats players is so gross.

 

[Meatloaf]

I can certainly understand why DeShone's stock is falling right now, but is seems like all the bashing has become a full fledged media circlejerk at this point. They might as well title these things "DAE hate Kizer lol?".

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

I don't know Kizer personally and can really only judge him based on how he's played on the field, but I never saw him put on the uniform and not looked prepared. I have seen him basically to put the team on his back and win games, and not did he try, but he often succeeded. I saw him take hits that if he were making the "business decision" he never would have.

For all I know he could be the world's biggest piece of crap but he kept his nose clean for 3 years and laid it on the line on the field. Can't ask much more than that from a football player.

 

[zelezo vlk]

DeShone Kizer and Diverging Traits – Pre Snap Reads

Btw, I found this to be an interesting take article on Kizer.

 

[woolybug25]

DeShone Kizer and Diverging Traits – Pre Snap Reads

Btw, I found this to be an interesting take article on Kizer.

lolz

Chances are Kizer will be drafted higher than he should be and forced into a situation where he can’t develop. The NFL doesn’t have a development league so there is no clear path to success for the former Notre Dame quarterback. It could be worse though, he could still be listening to Brian Kelly.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yeah, basically all of the people that I see who are high on Kizer blame everything on Kelly.

 

[IrishLion]

DeShone Kizer and Diverging Traits – Pre Snap Reads

Btw, I found this to be an interesting take article on Kizer.

Ouch, that last line lol

 

[NDty9]

Ouch, that last line lol

Wow.... That one stings!

 

[arrowryan]

I'm a big Kizer fan and wish him the very best in the NFL. With that being said, his chances of getting drafted in the first round are <10% IMO. I thought from the very beginning that he needed another year of college football. He didn't show me last year that he could make all the throws necessary to be a legit starter on Sundays.

In my opinion, a great scenario for him would be the Giants, Steelers, Kansas City, and Arizona. The problem is that neither the Giants or Steelers will be taking a QB in round 1 and Kansas City and Arizona like Mahomes more.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes. I hope he goes to an organization that is stable and is at least competitive in their division.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'm a big Kizer fan and wish him the very best in the NFL. With that being said, his chances of getting drafted in the first round are <10% IMO. I thought from the very beginning that he needed another year of college football. He didn't show me last year that he could make all the throws necessary to be a legit starter on Sundays.

In my opinion, a great scenario for him would be the Giants, Steelers, Kansas City, and Arizona. The problem is that neither the Giants or Steelers will be taking a QB in round 1 and Kansas City and Arizona like Mahomes more.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes. I hope he goes to an organization that is stable and is at least competitive in their division.

you didn't hear how no one can throw the out route like he can?

 

[NDVirginia19]

After looking at the Pre Snap Reads write up on Mahommes... I don't see how anybody can seriously like him more than they could like Kizer.

 

[zelezo vlk]

After looking at the Pre Snap Reads write up on Mahommes... I don't see how anybody can seriously like him more than they could like Kizer.

People love arm strength.

 

[NDVirginia19]

You think they would've learned their lessons after Russell.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm a big Kizer fan and wish him the very best in the NFL. With that being said, his chances of getting drafted in the first round are <10% IMO. I thought from the very beginning that he needed another year of college football. He didn't show me last year that he could make all the throws necessary to be a legit starter on Sundays.

In my opinion, a great scenario for him would be the Giants, Steelers, Kansas City, and Arizona. The problem is that neither the Giants or Steelers will be taking a QB in round 1 and Kansas City and Arizona like Mahomes more.

It'll be interesting to see where he goes. I hope he goes to an organization that is stable and is at least competitive in their division.

I agree that he objectively doesn't seem like a first round pick. And I personally think he has a miniscule chance ofsuccess anywhere besides a great organization. The crazy thing to me is that compare/contrast Kizer to guys like:
-Christian Ponder
-EJ Manuel
-Paxton Lynch
-Blaine Gabbert
-Johnny Manziel
-Brandon Weeden
-Jake Locker
-Tim Tebow

I don't a single one of those guys was a better prospect coming out of college, they all had massive flaws yet every one of them was picked in the first round for no apparent reason. Like in what universe is Kizer a worse prospect than EJ Manuel was coming out?

 

[GowerND11]

I agree that he objectively doesn't seem like a first round pick. And I personally think he has a miniscule chance ofsuccess anywhere besides a great organization. The crazy thing to me is that compare/contrast Kizer to guys like:
-Christian Ponder
-EJ Manuel
-Paxton Lynch
-Blaine Gabbert
-Johnny Manziel
-Brandon Weeden
-Jake Locker
-Tim Tebow

I don't a single one of those guys was a better prospect coming out of college, they all had massive flaws yet every one of them was picked in the first round for no apparent reason. Like in what universe is Kizer a worse prospect than EJ Manuel was coming out?

For the last few years I have had serious beliefs that the NFL, its GMs, owners, reporters, and coaches participate in massive collusion. They will black ball potential players as they see fit, and prop up others just to fulfill their own needs. The fact that guys listed above were "no doubt" 1st rounders to many, but Kizer has "character issues" seems to only further strengthen my thoughts.

*I do agree with your opinion on Kizer. He has a low chance unless with the right organization.

 

[SoIll]

I agree that he objectively doesn't seem like a first round pick. And I personally think he has a miniscule chance ofsuccess anywhere besides a great organization. The crazy thing to me is that compare/contrast Kizer to guys like:
-Christian Ponder
-EJ Manuel
-Paxton Lynch
-Blaine Gabbert
-Johnny Manziel
-Brandon Weeden
-Jake Locker
-Tim Tebow

I don't a single one of those guys was a better prospect coming out of college, they all had massive flaws yet every one of them was picked in the first round for no apparent reason. Like in what universe is Kizer a worse prospect than EJ Manuel was coming out?

maybe

 

[BobbyMac]

Forget being like Brady or Cam.

DeShone's gonna... Be like Mike!

Maybe Lenzy's Dad is involved?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nike's Jordan Brand signs NFL prospects <a href="https://twitter.com/MalikHooker24">@MalikHooker24</a> from <a href="https://twitter.com/OhioStateFB">@OhioStateFB</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a>'s <a href="https://twitter.com/DKizer_14">@DKizer_14</a>. <a href="https://t.co/H1wElFYUMB">pic.twitter.com/H1wElFYUMB</a></p>— Matthew Kish (@matthewkish) <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewkish/status/856550242212339716">April 24, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDohio]

For the last few years I have had serious beliefs that the NFL, its GMs, owners, reporters, and coaches participate in massive collusion. They will black ball potential players as they see fit, and prop up others just to fulfill their own needs. The fact that guys listed above were "no doubt" 1st rounders to many, but Kizer has "character issues" seems to only further strengthen my thoughts.

*I do agree with your opinion on Kizer. He has a low chance unless with the right organization.

Some of those guys on the list LAX provided were only 1st rounders on ONE person's list. And that is all it takes.

 

[pkt77242]

Peter King on what Kizer said:

5. I think I have zero problem with what DeShone Kizer said. (“Why can’t I be the greatest? The only thing stopping me from it is me.”) I would want my quarterback to think he can be the greatest quarterback in the game. It’s not sacrilegious to mention Tom Brady and Cam Newton as a quarterback and say you can be them. To me, it’s ambitious and admirable.

Browns eye Myles Garrett, Mitch Trubisky in NFL Draft | The MMQB with Peter King

 

[Ndaccountant]

Forget being like Brady or Cam.

DeShone's gonna... Be like Mike!

Maybe Lenzy's Dad is involved?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nike's Jordan Brand signs NFL prospects <a href="https://twitter.com/MalikHooker24">@MalikHooker24</a> from <a href="https://twitter.com/OhioStateFB">@OhioStateFB</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a>'s <a href="https://twitter.com/DKizer_14">@DKizer_14</a>. <a href="https://t.co/H1wElFYUMB">pic.twitter.com/H1wElFYUMB</a></p>— Matthew Kish (@matthewkish) <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewkish/status/856550242212339716">April 24, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

shocking

 

[arrowryan]

I agree that he objectively doesn't seem like a first round pick. And I personally think he has a miniscule chance ofsuccess anywhere besides a great organization. The crazy thing to me is that compare/contrast Kizer to guys like:
-Christian Ponder
-EJ Manuel
-Paxton Lynch
-Blaine Gabbert
-Johnny Manziel
-Brandon Weeden
-Jake Locker
-Tim Tebow

I don't a single one of those guys was a better prospect coming out of college, they all had massive flaws yet every one of them was picked in the first round for no apparent reason. Like in what universe is Kizer a worse prospect than EJ Manuel was coming out?

You're absolutely right. The difference here is the years that these guys were drafted. Head coaches and GMs are realizing that they don't need to spend a first round pick to get a quarterback that can lead their team. They can find a guy like Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, or Dak Prescott in the later rounds. The thought process and philosophy has changed because, in my opinion, they've finally realized that if the quarterback they drafted in the first round doesn't pan out, then theres a good chance they'll be unemployed.

Going back to the list of quarterbacks that you listed. Besides Tebow and Lynch, the quarterbacks have something in common; they were all drafted by shittiest organizations in the NFL. Only Cleveland would draft a 29 year old rookie quarterback and a kid thats addicted to cocaine and strippers. Picks like the ones you listed above are why none of those teams, besides Denver, haven't sniffed success in 10+ years.

I personally don't think there is a quarterback in this draft that is worth grabbing in first 20 picks of the draft. I find it so comical that there is actually a legit debate in the Cleveland war room on who to take: Garrett or Trubisky. If they go Trubisky, then Hue Jackson is no different than the 8 other coaches they've had in the last decade.

 

[GATTACA!]

You're absolutely right. The difference here is the years that these guys were drafted. Head coaches and GMs are realizing that they don't need to spend a first round pick to get a quarterback that can lead their team. They can find a guy like Russell Wilson, Derek Carr, or Dak Prescott in the later rounds. The thought process and philosophy has changed because, in my opinion, they've finally realized that if the quarterback they drafted in the first round doesn't pan out, then theres a good chance they'll be unemployed.

Going back to the list of quarterbacks that you listed. Besides Tebow and Lynch, the quarterbacks have something in common; they were all drafted by shittiest organizations in the NFL. Only Cleveland would draft a 29 year old rookie quarterback and a kid thats addicted to cocaine and strippers. Picks like the ones you listed above are why none of those teams, besides Denver, haven't sniffed success in 10+ years.

I personally don't think there is a quarterback in this draft that is worth grabbing in first 20 picks of the draft. I find it so comical that there is actually a legit debate in the Cleveland war room on who to take: Garrett or Trubisky. If they go Trubisky, then Hue Jackson is no different than the 8 other coaches they've had in the last decade.

Well the rumors, to be taken with a giant grain of salt, are that Hue and co are all in on Garrett and it's the front office that is pushing for Trubisky. I think it's all bullshit coming from outside of Berea to try and keep some suspense for Thursday night but who knows. This is the same organization that took Justin Gilbert at #8.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Well the rumors, to be taken with a giant grain of salt, are that Hue and co are all in on Garrett and it's the front office that is pushing for Trubisky.

Sounds like the plot to a movie...

 

[Henges24]

Well the rumors, to be taken with a giant grain of salt, are that Hue and co are all in on Garrett and it's the front office that is pushing for Trubisky. I think it's all bullshit coming from outside of Berea to try and keep some suspense for Thursday night but who knows. This is the same organization that took Justin Gilbert at #8.

I'm sorry but if you have the history that you do with QBs you do not take a QB is RD1 unless there is some ungodly talent out there like a Tom Brady. Play it safe with MG.