'17 IN QB Hunter Johnson (Northwestern Transfer)

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I just don't understand why any big time recruit would pick PSU over any other top program...unless that person grew up a PSU fan. They have to be the most overrated cfb "top" program in the country.

And then they have that other thing too...
 

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Is it just me or is there a less than 50% chance that BK is still our head coach by the time Hunter is starting for us? I hope he is here for the long haul, but if he's still coaching in 2020 that probably means one of two things: 1. He's had major success and turned down an NFL job; or 2. He's had above average success and never got the NFL job offer that he desired. I can't see BK turning down an offer to coach the Pats once Belichik leaves, but I hope I'm wrong.

Belichick's contract is under wraps since he is not a part of the coaches union, but it is widely believed that he will stay through 2020 since his right hand personnel guy (Nick Caserio) was extended through 2020 last season. Belichick will be 68 then and it would make sense to step aside then as he has said he doesn't want to coach into his 70s and he will presumably have had a year or two with the Brady successor (assuming TB12 starts aging sometime soon).

Also, does anyone else not get the NFL-hype with Kelly? He has 0 NFL experience, he has to give up so much player control as a NFL coach, and he is way more of a motivator than an Xs and Os guy. I just don't see him being that successful in the NFL, it seems like a bad fit for everyone.

Taking away the whole ND-losing-their-coach-thing, is there anyone here as a NFL fan that would be happy if your team hired Kelly?
 
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I'm curious as to why you think they wouldn't. I'm not intimately familiar with the organization but at first glance he seems like a good fit.

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I don't believe they've hired a college coach ever. At least not since the 1980s. They always target successful head coaches or assistant coaches from the NFL (Dan Reeves, Parcells, Coughlin).

It's not just their philosophy. Why do you think it'd be a good fit?
 

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I don't believe they've hired a college coach ever. At least not since the 1980s. They always target successful head coaches or assistant coaches from the NFL (Dan Reeves, Parcells, Coughlin).

It's not just their philosophy. Why do you think it'd be a good fit?
Basically the entire premise of Kelly as a CEO style coach. I thought that would fit with the organization. Coach Kelly does a great job of handling all the issues/rigors of being the ND head coach and that's another attribute I would think the Giants value highly (as in, knowing your place and how to act without detracting from the organization). Of course, I don't have any sources in the Giants front office and you bring up a good point about them not hiring a college coach in a long time.

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I looked at some Hunter tape, and I will pose this as a question, because I am not comfortable with my level quarterback knowledge, (or wider receiver, as well.)

I have my few posters I listen too for wide receiver info. But quarterback, that seems to be a more elusive thing.

Looking at Hunter, he seems to move 'exceptionally' well. In fact, I have seen a number of dual threat quarterbacks that don't move as well. His read option game (at his level) seems to be better than Everett Golson's was!

Is the classification of DT versus pro style based upon actual criterion, or mostly opinion? Is there actually something more tangible than being 'slow' or having a howitzer for an arm, or not being able to throw accurately, that classifies a prospect?

I believe that Tommy survived and even thrived because he had a head for the game, isn't that true? And Everett had freaky athleticism, so how do you classify him?

In high school, he was one of the statistically most prolific passers ever. At UND he continued to impress with his arm, but from my point of view, he was more likely a disaster with the ball in his hands.

Maybe this is simpler than I am making it, but it looks to me that Hunter would be great in the ND offense, a different flavor or variety than Malik? Certainly! But not able to take the keys and drive it? I don't see the concern, please lay it out for me.
 

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I looked at some Hunter tape, and I will pose this as a question, because I am not comfortable with my level quarterback knowledge, (or wider receiver, as well.)

I have my few posters I listen too for wide receiver info. But quarterback, that seems to be a more elusive thing.

Looking at Hunter, he seems to move 'exceptionally' well. In fact, I have seen a number of dual threat quarterbacks that don't move as well. His read option game (at his level) seems to be better than Everett Golson's was!

Is the classification of DT versus pro style based upon actual criterion, or mostly opinion? Is there actually something more tangible than being 'slow' or having a howitzer for an arm, or not being able to throw accurately, that classifies a prospect?

I believe that Tommy survived and even thrived because he had a head for the game, isn't that true? And Everett had freaky athleticism, so how do you classify him?

In high school, he was one of the statistically most prolific passers ever. At UND he continued to impress with his arm, but from my point of view, he was more likely a disaster with the ball in his hands.

Maybe this is simpler than I am making it, but it looks to me that Hunter would be great in the ND offense, a different flavor or variety than Malik? Certainly! But not able to take the keys and drive it? I don't see the concern, please lay it out for me.

I think we and the recruiting services, etc., tend to complicate things way too much, especially to provide that information edge over the competition. Arm strength and accuracy are valued assets regardless of the type of QB. To me a DT QB is equally comfortable running or passing. Granted some may be stronger in one area over the other, but they can get the job done equally well by running or throwing. To me EG wasn't a true DT QB because rarely were plays called where he was making the read option. His runs usually were from scrambling.
 

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When I think of a DT qb, I think of the Auburn QBs or Tebow type qbs that force the defense to play a safety in the box to counter his runs therefore creating a 1v1 matchup with the receivers every play which the receiver should win nearly every time. So it is run, run, d creep up to stop the bleeding then 40 yard pass completion to the wide open WR. That is how Auburn makes a living with really players at qb that shouldnt be qbs in any other system.

With Golsen, there was never really the threat of the qb run. Sure the busted play but not by design and everyone knew BK wouldnt gamble the qb run because there really wasnt a capable backup until the SC game. This allowed the defense to focus on the RB run and the pass. A true DT makes the D counter with a minimum of one to two defense players every play focusing on the qb. That makes really easy matchups.
 

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After all these years it is beyond me how people still cannot spell Golson correctly. Same with Weis.

Golsen, Golsin, Weiss, etc.

Sorry I had to do it.
 
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