'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[IrishLion]

In terms of numbers and efficiency, Stafford has been one of the best QB's in the league over the past year and half, ever since Detroit promoted Jim Bob Cooter to OC.

I saw the numbers somewhere during the year, but I'm pretty sure he's top 5 in terms of TD:INT and yardage during that time... and that's without any shadow of a running game to open things up for him.

Stafford is worthy of franchise money, but Detroit has sucked balls at building around him.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't think Carson would be interested in "mentoring" anything. QB's don't do that in the NFL, its a myth. Furthermore, Carson probably wont be playing very long. It's quite possible that DK would get thrown into a situation when Carson's bionic knee blows out and have no one to throw to. I don't like that as a landing spot for him.

Counterpoint: Carson himself sat behind Jon "Crazy Legs" Kitna for a year and a half and got "mentored" before starting.

Aaron Rodgers did the same thing behind Favre.

Unless I'm missing your point, and you're saying that they aren't actually in a teacher-student relationship, which is probably true.

I agree with everything you said about Stafford. Dude is underappreciated by the football community in general.

 

[woolybug25]

Counterpoint: Carson himself sat behind Jon "Crazy Legs" Kitna for a year and a half and got "mentored" before starting.

Aaron Rodgers did the same thing behind Favre.

Unless I'm missing your point, and you're saying that they aren't actually in a teacher-student relationship, which is probably true.

I agree with everything you said about Stafford. Dude is underappreciated by the football community in general.

Sitting behind a guy doesn't equate to being "mentored". I don't know what Carson and Kitna did that constituted that relationship, but typically competitive guys don't willingly train their replacement. They compete with them for the job. Favre famously did not mentor Rodgers, so I don't know where you get that from either. He said this just this year.

“I think this misconception that I didn’t mentor him or whatever, he would say as well as I do say that that was not my job. I didn’t mentor Matt Hasselbeck or Mark Brunel or Ty Detmer. The list goes on and on. So I have no problems with Aaron. I think he’s a tremendous quarterback. As long as he’s playing, they’ve got a chance to win it all.”

 

[gkIrish]

Are we actually discussing the Lions cutting ties with Stafford to draft DK? Huh?

 

[Irish Insanity]

That's a really risky move. I'm not a Stafford fan, but even I think that plan is too much.

If we had a better foundation as a franchise we could support such a move. We don't, so we can't. Didn't we just take a big cap hit for a WR that retired early. I'm sure his # hurt the team this year more than Staffords will going forward.

I kinda disagree on both points. I believe that Stafford could be an elite quarterback on the right team, and this is coming from a Bears fan. Here is a list of quarterbacks that make more than him.

- Jay Cutler
- Tyrod Taylor
- Brock Osweiler
- Ryan Tannenhill
- Carson Palmer

He is better at this moment than every one of those guys. All despite the fact that his supporting cast is arguably worse than any of those teams.

This. And I'm on record, on this board I believe, for saying I'd trade Stafford away for Cutler without a 2nd thought. Lol.

Are we actually discussing the Lions cutting ties with Stafford to draft DK? Huh?

#HotTakes

 

[IrishLion]

Sitting behind a guy doesn't equate to being "mentored". I don't know what Carson and Kitna did that constituted that relationship, but typically competitive guys don't willingly train their replacement. They compete with them for the job. Favre famously did not mentor Rodgers, so I don't know where you get that from either. He said this just this year.

Yeah I missed your point. I agree that guys don't get "mentored" by the grizzled veteran anymore and wait for their turn. The Rodgers/Favre relationship is well documented.

I just thought you meant that guys don't get drafted that high to ride the bench for any amount of time anymore.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If we had a better foundation as a franchise we could support such a move. We don't, so we can't. Didn't we just take a big cap hit for a WR that retired early. I'm sure his # hurt the team this year more than Staffords will going forward.



This. And I'm on record, on this board I believe, for saying I'd trade Stafford away for Cutler without a 2nd thought. Lol.

#HotTakes

If they were the same age? Okay, but not now. Cutty's getting up there and has played behind a decent-good O line for only 1.5 seasons in his career. He has not aged well.

 

[woolybug25]

If they were the same age? Okay, but not now. Cutty's getting up there and has played behind a decent-good O line for only 1.5 seasons in his career. He has not aged well.

He's only 33 years old. That isn't old for a QB.

There is no point in either of their careers where I would take Cutler over Stafford. He has been a superior quarterback from the very day he stepped into the NFL.

 

[Irish Insanity]

If they were the same age? Okay, but not now. Cutty's getting up there and has played behind a decent-good O line for only 1.5 seasons in his career. He has not aged well.

He's only 33 years old. That isn't old for a QB.

There is no point in either of their careers where I would take Cutler over Stafford. He has been a superior quarterback from the very day he stepped into the NFL.

This was a few years ago. Stafford just didn't seem to want to mature on the field. Not that I saw Cutler as superior, I was just ready for a change and figured he was about the best we could get.

 

[zelezo vlk]

He's only 33 years old. That isn't old for a QB.

There is no point in either of their careers where I would take Cutler over Stafford. He has been a superior quarterback from the very day he stepped into the NFL.

It is for a diabetic who has been beaten up his whole time in the league. His arm has lost a little strength, and it will only get weaker. Cutty won't be able to age as gracefully as Brady or Brees.

 

[woolybug25]

It is for a diabetic who has been beaten up his whole time in the league. His arm has lost a little strength, and it will only get weaker. Cutty won't be able to age as gracefully as Brady or Brees.

Brees had a rotator cuff tear that some teams (cough... ehem... dolphins) thought would never heal and got killed when he was with the Chargers. He has a lot of miles on his undersized body and still gets it done. Why would Cutler be different? In my opinion, Cutty has one good 5 year contract left in him.

I don't see his arm getting weaker and haven't heard any talking head mention that either. He was throwing darts to the opposite team all year.

 

[RDU Irish]

If Bears were mid 1st round picking I would be OK with taking a shot at any of the top 3 QBs. With #3 overall you are either getting leftovers at QB or someone not worthy of a top 5 pick or they would have been taken by one of the two teams in front of you that invariably would have at least one lacking a QB - this year they are both QB desperate.

Take the top DL or OL can't miss prospect, IMO. Likely to get a #1 quality selection, especially if the other two reach for QBs. One of those three likely fall to Rd 2 - season for a year behind Cutler and if they aren't showing it draft another next year. If they end up being a star pay up for their second contract that comes a year earlier.

Cutler sucks, always had. Would trade him for Stafford every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked around at Notre Dame about the alleged "character concerns" reeShone Kizer. First anyone has heard.<a href="https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl">https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl</a></p>— Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/824309346590789632">January 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDohio]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked around at Notre Dame about the alleged "character concerns" reeShone Kizer. First anyone has heard.<a href="https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl">https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl</a></p>— Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/824309346590789632">January 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy gets paid to write? That is a horribly written article.

 

[anarin]

Sounds like draft posturing to me. Create something false to bring doubt to teams on the fence.

 

[IrishLion]

Yup.

"Character Concerns" are put forth as "sourced rumors" from teams that want a QB but are drafting outside of the top 3.

 

[OCIrish]

This guy gets paid to write? That is a horribly written article.

The guy even mentions the "character issues" may be planted by teams hoping he falls far enough down the draft

 

[IrishLax]

I'm honestly trying to think of any plausible "character concern" for a guy that has never been in trouble, is intelligent, incredibly well spoken, charitable, etc. It's borderline hilarious to try to play the "character concern" card against a guy like Kizer.

The only negs I can even think of are that he's a bit cocky (but what elite QB in the NFL isn't? Brady, Rodgers, etc... you get my point, need confidence to play the position) and that there was a bit of a team schism this year but what the hell is he supposed to do with how BK decided to manage the QB situation with Zaire?

Anyways, I think Kizer has some fatal flaws that might prevent him from being successful in the NFL if he can't fix them, but "character" sure as hell isn't one of them.

 

[Cackalacky]

https://storify.com/JoshNorris/deshone-kizer-clips

Mike Vorel tweeted out this link. Some good some bad and some ugly from Kizer.

 

[irishandy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked around at Notre Dame about the alleged "character concerns" reeShone Kizer. First anyone has heard.<a href="https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl">https://t.co/1UrmR6HFtl</a></p>— Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/824309346590789632">January 25, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree, this is a horrible article. What writers need to understand is the toughest position in college football is being the QB at Notre Dame. The good, the bad, the ugly, the spotlight, etc. If ND would've had a better record last year and if Kizer would've matched his 2015 season or played better this article would've been written differently. Put DeShaun Watson under center for ND...not the same as the Clemson QB.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB DeShone Kizer (and his rocket arm) has officially been invited to NFL Combine.<br><br>&#55357;&#56384;<a href="https://twitter.com/DKizer_14">@DKizer_14</a> <a href="https://t.co/O0Sn3XFR5u">pic.twitter.com/O0Sn3XFR5u</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/832239972136673280">February 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[GATTACA!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QB DeShone Kizer (and his rocket arm) has officially been invited to NFL Combine.<br><br>��<a href="https://twitter.com/DKizer_14">@DKizer_14</a> <a href="https://t.co/O0Sn3XFR5u">pic.twitter.com/O0Sn3XFR5u</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/832239972136673280">February 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Please Sashi, I need this.

 

[ACamp1900]

Please Sashi, I need this.

 

[ulukinatme]

I wouldn't consider a 35 yard pass an example of a rocket arm. They couldn't use a bigger throw? I mean...Tommy hit Floyd in the bowl against Miami I think with a rope thrown from 35 yards.

 

[phgreek]

I wouldn't consider a 35 yard pass an example of a rocket arm. They couldn't use a bigger throw? I mean...Tommy hit Floyd in the bowl against Miami I think with a rope thrown from 35 yards.

lots of Arc in a rope

I like LASERS...Frickin' LASERS

 

[phgreek]

I agree, this is a horrible article. What writers need to understand is the toughest position in college football is being the QB at Notre Dame. The good, the bad, the ugly, the spotlight, etc. If ND would've had a better record last year and if Kizer would've matched his 2015 season or played better this article would've been written differently. Put DeShaun Watson under center for ND...not the same as the Clemson QB.

He seemed to defend DK and say the ant-DK talk is BS. I agree.

Kid spent time with his sick GF...never had legal or academic issues...did trmendously well in a role full of adversity...tough but fair rep with players who've spoken about him...Can only be a smokescreen from some selfish dill hole who wants DK. Hope he punches that mfer in the eye after the draft.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Do me a favor, spray the disinfectant in this thread when you are done.

 

[ulukinatme]

lots of Arc in a rope

I like LASERS...Frickin' LASERS

I think there's a lot of confusion on how that term is used then, because I've seen it used interchangeably with laser. Favre's arm strength was well known from day 1, and it was often said he "threw a rope" to a particular receiver such as his game winning TD pass to Taylor in his first career game against the Bengals in '92.

In any case, the pass from Tommy to Floyd had little arc to it, it was a dart (Is that better?). I was kinda joking about the whole thing, but honestly...I'm sure there were better examples of Kizer's arm strength out there.

 

[arahop]

I wouldn't consider a 35 yard pass an example of a rocket arm. They couldn't use a bigger throw? I mean...Tommy hit Floyd in the bowl against Miami I think with a rope thrown from 35 yards.

You must have watched that play in fast forward

 

[NDdomer2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/greg-cosells-nfl-draft-preview-deshone-kizer-has-physical-tools-that-will-excite-teams-180233465.html