'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

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Bogtrotter07

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About DeShone, I am really glad he declared.

In two years at ND he proved he had a lot more than what anyone gave him credit for having. Ability, speed, leadership, running, brains, desire, arm, etc.

I think he did about as much post-one-completion Spring Game, as anyone could have hoped for at ND.

I note that DK has some real shortcomings in his game, I just don't know how serious they are or if they are accentuated by Brian Kelly's offense and game play calling.

I look at NCState as a major turning point in this last season. Before that, we were waiting for DeShone, and the team to turn it around. At least I was. When I saw that strategy and play calling turd show in a hurricane, deep down inside, I packed it in, didn't you?

Bad enough that ND insisted the quarterback pass the ball 30 times in a hurricane, but look at the number of passes that were attempted where DK threw across his body, across the field for short attempted completions.

Then after the game, BK clearly threw DeShone under the bus. And it isn't that there is any argument about it being deserved, a mistake in the heat of the moment, a coach cracking down with discipline, or anything else like that :
He threw Sam Mustipher under the bus that day too, if you remember, and I saw one ball in standing water, with a wave of rain bouncing off the field, that went sideways out of his hands. That would have happened to anyone!
BK repeatedly threw DK under the bus during the season, and most of the time, many others on this site, and around the business questioned BK's play calling at the time.
This all after he told Malik, and his parents after the UVA game that it was still his team! Why would he even open his mouth while that was running through his mind? What a setup for future failure of anyone at QB!

With all that, this winter BK wanted to 'name DK as a captain early!' What bullshit! On that basis alone, were it me, I would have left too, no question.

So as far as the shortcomings in his game, I'm not sure DK would have been able to fix them at ND, with Sanford, and when Sanford left, that was the last call, so to speak.

DK interviews as well as, or better than anyone I have ever met. He is really, really smart. He is sincere. And he has a package some team is going to want bad enough to pay a lot to get him early, and set it up so he can grow into the system.

I had zero doubt since NCState that DK would leave, even though I really think he figured he would return, until he made the decision, right before he announced it. I can tell you DK's heart is with ND, without a doubt.
 

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Looked at 10+ mocks today that were all updated within the past 48 hours and I saw Kizer going 13th to the Cardinals at worst.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame QB Deshone Kizer had a 155.0 QB Rating on play action passes this year, best in college football.<br><br>Straight drop backs? 85.5 <a href="https://t.co/3094Z4uzUo">pic.twitter.com/3094Z4uzUo</a></p>— PFF College Football (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/809598411808841728">December 16, 2016</a></blockquote>



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And BK hardly ran play action
 

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Play action is effective, it's been a staple for eons. Cultivate a strong running game, mix in some play action to keep defenses honest, it's not rocket science. A few of us suggested that in seasons with less mobile QBs at the helm, like Tommy, but instead we line up in 5 wide sets and called gameplans that had us throwing the ball 35-40 times. Derp.
 

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Looked at 10+ mocks today that were all updated within the past 48 hours and I saw Kizer going 13th to the Cardinals at worst.

My Bears need a QB, and in the worst way!! I'm not sure they'd take him that high, though.
 

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NFL Draft Big Board: Underclassmen QBs give the Class of 2017 a huge boost - CBSSports.com
by Rob Rang The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com Jan 20, 2017

The following is not a mock draft. It is simply my personal ranking of the Top 64 NFL prospects in the NFL Draft Class of 2017.

25. DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame, rSoph, 6-4, 230, 4.84
Kizer is the most gifted draft-eligible quarterback prospect in the country with a prototypical blend of build, arm strength and functional athleticism. He possesses the kind of undeniable talent that could lead to a much earlier selection than my ranking, but he is far from a surefire franchise quarterback, making head-scratching decisions or simply inaccurate passes in virtually every game this season. Kizer threw for 2,925 yards and 26 touchdowns against nine interceptions this season for the 4-8 Fighting Irish. Teams will not overlook that Brian Kelly has produced just one NFL quarterback (2010 sixth-round pick Tony Pike, Carolina) in 26 seasons as a head coach.


but he is far from a surefire franchise quarterback, making head-scratching decisions or simply inaccurate passes in virtually every game this season.

Yes, yes, he did!
 

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13th to the Cardinals makes a lot of sense to me. Solid running game to lean on early and a coach that develops QB's. Plus loves the deep ball. Learn behind Palmer for a bit, then take over.
 

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Kizer will fall to the second round, I believe. Perhaps high second round, but I really very much doubt he's taken in the first round.
 

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13th to the Cardinals makes a lot of sense to me. Solid running game to lean on early and a coach that develops QB's. Plus loves the deep ball. Learn behind Palmer for a bit, then take over.

Nope you can't have him, the Browns are taking him at 12.

Kizer will fall to the second round, I believe. Perhaps high second round, but I really very much doubt he's taken in the first round.

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Kizer will fall to the second round, I believe. Perhaps high second round, but I really very much doubt he's taken in the first round.

I've been thinking that he will drop.

But the combine or pro day could change that thought.
 

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Kizer will fall to the second round, I believe. Perhaps high second round, but I really very much doubt he's taken in the first round.

I've been thinking that he will drop.

But the combine or pro day could change that thought.

Even if he "falls", some team will take him at the bottom of round one (either a team like the Texans or a team trading into the back end of the first round). You want the extra year of control over a QB, that you get from a 1st round pick.
 

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13th to the Cardinals makes a lot of sense to me. Solid running game to lean on early and a coach that develops QB's. Plus loves the deep ball. Learn behind Palmer for a bit, then take over.

Best thing that could happen to him would be to go to a solid team with a balanced offense and an older QB to sit behind and learn from for a couple years. Cardinals would work and he'd go higher/get paid more than with, say, the Packers.
 

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Be great if he could drop to the 2nd round. Bears get a D player and a QB, picking him up at 36.
 

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Best thing that could happen to him would be to go to a solid team with a balanced offense and an older QB to sit behind and learn from for a couple years. Cardinals would work and he'd go higher/get paid more than with, say, the Packers.

I actually don't think that situation would work with the Cardinals. I don't think Palmer has that much left in him. He regressed big time this season and he's old. I'm not sure he'll be starting for two more seasons. I think they'd be looking for a guy that can start immediately and I don't think Kizer can, or rather I don't think he should. I don't know shit though. Maybe they'll sign Romo and Kizer can learn from him. Or replace him when he inevitably gets injured in training camp.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“He looked like a potential 1st overall pick.” <a href="https://t.co/dq6nSREejB">https://t.co/dq6nSREejB</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks">@MoveTheSticks</a>) <a href="https://t.co/SaNjaXFwYv">pic.twitter.com/SaNjaXFwYv</a></p>— NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/822824879946944513">January 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Kizer eval as #1 overall QB...
 

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I actually don't think that situation would work with the Cardinals. I don't think Palmer has that much left in him. He regressed big time this season and he's old. I'm not sure he'll be starting for two more seasons. I think they'd be looking for a guy that can start immediately and I don't think Kizer can, or rather I don't think he should. I don't know shit though. Maybe they'll sign Romo and Kizer can learn from him. Or replace him when he inevitably gets injured in training camp.

As crazy as it sounds, I think Detroit at 21 would be a good place for him... Stafford has one year left but is due to make top qb money after the season. Anyone in the league can see hes not worth it. This allows Kizer to get one full year on the bench and then take over in 2018. The Lions do love their Nd players.. (Riddick, Tate, Tj Jones)
 

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It st hard to tell where he could end up.Cleveland, Washington, Buffalo, 49ers, Bears.
 

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As crazy as it sounds, I think Detroit at 21 would be a good place for him... Stafford has one year left but is due to make top qb money after the season. Anyone in the league can see hes not worth it. This allows Kizer to get one full year on the bench and then take over in 2018. The Lions do love their Nd players.. (Riddick, Tate, Tj Jones)

Lions have so many roster holes though, they don't have the luxury of picking DK high and letting him sit. They really need to trade down and get as many 2/3rd round picks that they can get.
 

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As crazy as it sounds, I think Detroit at 21 would be a good place for him... Stafford has one year left but is due to make top qb money after the season. Anyone in the league can see hes not worth it. This allows Kizer to get one full year on the bench and then take over in 2018. The Lions do love their Nd players.. (Riddick, Tate, Tj Jones)

Yes, it does sound crazy. The fans would burn that place down if they let Stanford walk and picked DK.

There's outlandish.
 

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Lions have so many roster holes though, they don't have the luxury of picking DK high and letting him sit. They really need to trade down and get as many 2/3rd round picks that they can get.
Which means likely we'll trade up to get him. Lol
Yes, it does sound crazy. The fans would burn that place down if they let Stanford walk and picked DK.

There's outlandish.
Yes I would. Stafford wasn't any part of the issue this last season. And he already makes the big $. Not like he'd be holding us hostage anymore than he has.
 

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Yes I would. Stafford wasn't any part of the issue this last season. And he already makes the big $. Not like he'd be holding us hostage anymore than he has.

Very true.. But to me, his cap hit of 22 last year hurt the team from filling so many holes.. If his cap hit is 26-28, yeah 6 million doesn't seem like that much, but that puts him over 15% of the salary cap

Since the Salary cap has been put in place, only four QB's have won the superbowl when they make over 10% of the cap. Eli at 11% in 2011, Peyton at 10% in 2006, Favre at 10% in 1996, and Brady at 11% in 2015.....

To me Stafford isn't taking the team to superbowl and crippling franchise isn't the smart move... Let him walk, develop Kizer and take extra money to fix holes

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Very true.. But to me, his cap hit of 22 last year hurt the team from filling so many holes.. If his cap hit is 26-28, yeah 6 million doesn't seem like that much, but that puts him over 15% of the salary cap

Since the Salary cap has been put in place, only four QB's have won the superbowl when they make over 10% of the cap. Eli at 11% in 2011, Peyton at 10% in 2006, Favre at 10% in 1996, and Brady at 11% in 2015.....

To me Stafford isn't taking the team to superbowl and crippling franchise isn't the smart move... Let him walk, develop Kizer and take extra money to fix holes

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That's a really risky move. I'm not a Stafford fan, but even I think that plan is too much.
 

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That's a really risky move. I'm not a Stafford fan, but even I think that plan is too much.

Absolutely.. You would have to be sold on Kizer being a good NFL qb.. but I am someone who doesn't think a Lions team as constructed has ability to win.. They have too many holes... Rather fix as many pieces as possible, not pay a good but not great QB 15% of your cap.

I do know I am on an island and its crazy talk... Probably why NFL teams are not banging my door down to be their gm
 

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I kind of agree with you, Blaise. Stafford can be a decent QB, but I don't think he's worth over 15% of the cap. Not sure I'd want to see Kizer in Detroit either, seems like a bad position for him. I think Arizona would be a good place for him to grow behind Palmer, as others have said. Wherever he goes, he needs a year or two to continue to develop.
 

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I kind of agree with you, Blaise. Stafford can be a decent QB, but I don't think he's worth over 15% of the cap. Not sure I'd want to see Kizer in Detroit either, seems like a bad position for him. I think Arizona would be a good place for him to grow behind Palmer, as others have said. Wherever he goes, he needs a year or two to continue to develop.

I kinda disagree on both points. I believe that Stafford could be an elite quarterback on the right team, and this is coming from a Bears fan. Here is a list of quarterbacks that make more than him.

- Jay Cutler
- Tyrod Taylor
- Brock Osweiler
- Ryan Tannenhill
- Carson Palmer

He is better at this moment than every one of those guys. All despite the fact that his supporting cast is arguably worse than any of those teams.

I don't think Carson would be interested in "mentoring" anything. QB's don't do that in the NFL, its a myth. Furthermore, Carson probably wont be playing very long. It's quite possible that DK would get thrown into a situation when Carson's bionic knee blows out and have no one to throw to. I don't like that as a landing spot for him.
 
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