Who's Next? - 2020 Edition

[IrishLax]

We're legitimately heading towards a top 5 class if we add Braiden and Tyree. Haven't had a recruit like Tyree in ages. Likely to finish with somewhere between 285 and 295 points by 247's formula if this all keeps up.

 

[CanadalovesND]

We're legitimately heading towards a top 5 class if we add Braiden and Tyree. Haven't had a recruit like Tyree in ages. Likely to finish with somewhere between 285 and 295 points by 247's formula if this all keeps up.

Agreed.

We are in tight with some big names at wide receiver, currently. We could legitimately sign 3-4 guys that would finish in the Top 247.

On the offensive line, we got our prize in Tosh. As for the rest of the board, there is the chance to add one or two more solid prospects..

Our defensive line commitments are something to drool over, even more salivation if McGregor makes his commitment to the good guys. In the secondary, there are some big names still on the board and still in contention. Commitments from one or two of our top targets can help build a top 5 recruiting class.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

We're legitimately heading towards a top 5 class if we add Braiden and Tyree. Haven't had a recruit like Tyree in ages. Likely to finish with somewhere between 285 and 295 points by 247's formula if this all keeps up.

Staying in the top 10 is good enough for me. Top 5 would be incredible since it's so rare for us. I hope the train stays on the tracks because Kelly is elevating the program.

 

[NDty9]

If ND gets Braiden and Tyree in May then I'm willing to sacrifice my summer in order to speed up December NSD.

GoT can time travel...why can't I.

hahaha Make it happen brother!

 

[ThePiombino]

We're legitimately heading towards a top 5 class if we add Braiden and Tyree. Haven't had a recruit like Tyree in ages. Likely to finish with somewhere between 285 and 295 points by 247's formula if this all keeps up.

As good as this class is shaping up to be, just imagine how epic it could have been if we didn't shit the bed in 2016 and had FOUR years of sustained success to sell...

 

[stpeteirish]

Staying in the top 10 is good enough for me. Top 5 would be incredible since it's so rare for us. I hope the train stays on the tracks because Kelly is elevating the program.

especially since the top 3 seem to be baked in (Clemson, Bama and Ohio St) and the system has also baked in the belief that the best players come from the south so teams like Georgia, LSU, FSU and Miami have to really screw it up to not be in the top ten.

 

[BobbyMac]

Mr. McGregor is on the clock.

 

[Irish#1]

Agreed.

We are in tight with some big names at wide receiver, currently. We could legitimately sign 3-4 guys that would finish in the Top 247.

On the offensive line, we got our prize in Tosh. As for the rest of the board, there is the chance to add one or two more solid prospects..

Our defensive line commitments are something to drool over, even more salivation if McGregor makes his commitment to the good guys. In the secondary, there are some big names still on the board and still in contention. Commitments from one or two of our top targets can help build a top 5 recruiting class.

When you get commits from a lot of studs, it has to help in recruiting the rest of the class.

 

[Irish#1]

especially since the top 3 seem to be baked in (Clemson, Bama and Ohio St) and the system has also baked in the belief that the best players come from the south so teams like Georgia, LSU, FSU and Miami have to really screw it up to not be in the top ten.

I took at quick glance at Bama's roster and they have about 30 guys that don't come from AL, LA, KY, TN, MS, SC, FL & GA. That's a higher percentage then I thought it would be.

 

[benneboy]

Mr. McGregor is on the clock.

You think he's gonna pop within the week?

 

[Luckylucci]

So I added these 12 to the class calculator: McGregor, Tyree, Phillips, Carmody, Zinter, Cullen Coleman, Lovie Jenkins, Malcolm Greene, Landen Bartelson, Cameron Martinez, Michael Redding, and Xavier Watts.

It came out with a score of 281.97. Which would've put us 6th last year and with only 22 commits, that's pretty darn good.

I must add that some of the names I chose were not necessarily educated guesses but more placeholders at reasonable ratings, that we should be able to land players at that level or better. Somewhat of a base case. Those would be Malcolm Greene, Xavier Watts, and Cam Martinez. The rest I think we have a pretty decent shot at.

This list also leaves a lot of upside should we land Ransom, Story, Henning, McMillan, Andrew Gentry, Chris Thompson Jr., Enzo Jennings, Jordan Morant, Eric Reed, Jahari Rogers.

At this point, I'd say the biggest +/- will come with DB recruiting.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So I added these 12 to the class calculator: McGregor, Tyree, Phillips, Carmody, Zinter, Cullen Coleman, Lovie Jenkins, Malcolm Greene, Landen Bartelson, Cameron Martinez, Michael Redding, and Xavier Watts.

It came out with a score of 281.97. Which would've put us 6th last year and with only 22 commits, that's pretty darn good.

I must add that some of the names I chose were not necessarily educated guesses but more placeholders at reasonable ratings, that we should be able to land players at that level or better. Somewhat of a base case. Those would be Malcolm Greene, Xavier Watts, and Cam Martinez. The rest I think we have a pretty decent shot at.

This list also leaves a lot of upside should we land Ransom, Story, Henning, McMillan, Andrew Gentry, Chris Thompson Jr., Enzo Jennings, Jordan Morant, Eric Reed, Jahari Rogers.

At this point, I'd say the biggest +/- will come with DB recruiting.

Good exercise. Even if we don't rank as high, this will be a far better class than the 2013 class. That class had very high turnover, this class doesn't seem like poor personality matches. In fact, quite the opposite.

It's exciting to imagine what this coaching staff could do if they string together more top 10 or better recruiting classes. We're usually just outside of that, and 3-5 places equates to some very high profile recruits.

Rankings aren't everything but they've been a good indicator for a player's successful transition.

Xavier Watts will shoot up the rankings soon (if he doesn't, it's a travesty)

Also, aren't we in the running for Clark Phillips III or was that just a momentary thing? He'd be yuge for this secondary.

 

[Luckylucci]

Phillips was included above. Obviously he's a huge piece of the potential upside in this class.

 

[Greenore]

As good as this class is shaping up to be, just imagine how epic it could have been if we didn't shit the bed in 2016 and had FOUR years of sustained success to sell...

Don't disagree but we made a lot of necessary and significant "adjustments" since that train-wreck season. Particularly, kudos to a lot of seniors that returned to finish the job and right the ship.

Still trying to catch up but really proud of the coaching staff and team.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[irish o'phile]

It's pretty amazing how well ND is doing with it's top targets. Per 247, ND has gotten a commitment from or is squarely in the race for nearly all their top targets. In past years, there were a lot more colds listed

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Season/2020-Football/Targets/

 

[fightingirish26]

It's pretty amazing how well ND is doing with it's top targets. Per 247, ND has gotten a commitment from or is squarely in the race for nearly all their top targets. In past years, there were a lot more colds listed

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Season/2020-Football/Targets/

that link you posted removes all the players who have committed elsewhere just fyi

 

[Irish#1]

Rankings aren't everything but they've been a good indicator for a player's successful transition.

They are a decent indicator. My problem with rankings is it gives additional points for more recruits, i.e. 25 recruits vs. 24, 23,22, etc. recruits. You may take one less recruit some year because you're bringing back a 5th year senior who's going to start, yet you get penalized.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

They are a decent indicator. My problem with rankings is it gives additional points for more recruits, i.e. 25 recruits vs. 24, 23,22, etc. recruits. You may take one less recruit some year because you're bringing back a 5th year senior who's going to start, yet you get penalized.

How do you block for that? You can't and ultimately, who cares. Some staffs are good at identifying talent, some aren't. I think the average ranking of recruits is another good indicator but again, what about the Will Fullers of the world? You can't, there will always be aberrations.

This staff is pretty good at finding talent and they've done a lot with top 15 recruiting classes. If they can continually sign top 10 or better, I think we'll continue to see double digit win seasons and hopefully, chances for a natty.

That's all I hope for, makes the season and recruiting so much more enjoyable.

 

[NDRock]

How do you block for that? You can't and ultimately, who cares. Some staffs are good at identifying talent, some aren't. I think the average ranking of recruits is another good indicator but again, what about the Will Fullers of the world? You can't, there will always be aberrations.

This staff is pretty good at finding talent and they've done a lot with top 15 recruiting classes. If they can continually sign top 10 or better, I think we'll continue to see double digit win seasons and hopefully, chances for a natty.

That's all I hope for, makes the season and recruiting so much more enjoyable.

It’s interesting that we put Will Fuller up as an under the radar type guy. He was ranked #176th OA by Rivals which was the exact same ranking for Ronnie Stanley (different years). Jerry Tillery was 145th and Mike McGlinchey was unranked. I would have sworn that all of them were ranked much higher than Fuller. Maybe he got a late jump in the rankings, don’t really remember.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

It’s interesting that we put Will Fuller up as an under the radar type guy. He was ranked #176th OA by Rivals which was the exact same ranking for Ronnie Stanley (different years). Jerry Tillery was 145th and Mike McGlinchey was unranked. I would have sworn that all of them were ranked much higher than Fuller. Maybe he got a late jump in the rankings, don’t really remember.

Yeah I think Will is not the best example. Maybe Kevin Stephenson even though he had behavioral issues, he was a much better player than I think his ranking showed. Alohi Gilman is another. Josh Adams was not expected to impact ND as much as Juice was expected to.

 

[zelezo vlk]

By one of the sites, Will Fuller was the 2nd lowest rated recruit that BK had ever brought in. Not 2nd lowest rated receiver, but recruit.

 

[stlnd01]

By one of the sites, Will Fuller was the 2nd lowest rated recruit that BK had ever brought in. Not 2nd lowest rated receiver, but recruit.

Overall though, Fuller was a four-star with a 90 rating on 247 composite. Ranked 280th overall in his class, 40th WR. Toward the bottom of his (star-studded) class at ND but ahead of a couple guys who turned into decent players (Onuwalu, Corey Robinson). He was also tiny, which may have dinged him with some services.
https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Fuller-16054/high-school-26675/

Maybe that profile doesn’t scream three-and-out first round draft pick. But he was a solid recruit. We flipped him from Penn State.

Josh Adams graded out similarly, and was coming off a bad knee injury his junior year.
https://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Adams-27522/high-school-45474/

Obvs both over-performed their ratings. But those ratings are also crazy subjective. So maybe don’t worry so much about team rankings, especially the ones that just add up all the commits and their rating, no matter how many there are. To me, a kid’s offer list is way more telling. Would be cool to figure out some way to rank classes based on head-to-head recruiting battles, though that’d be way complicated.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

McGregor tonight?!

 

[Legacy]

Other factors negatively affecting rankings.

How 15 players who weren’t blue-chip recruits became 2019 first-rounders

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This is a recruiting run for the ages (for ND). I'm sure Bama has this every year on signing day but this is as good as I can remember:

1. May 2019 (if we pull McGregor and Tyree and Carmody)
2. Lynch, Tuitt, Ishaq - end of cycle 2011?
3. Teo

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It’s interesting that we put Will Fuller up as an under the radar type guy. He was ranked #176th OA by Rivals which was the exact same ranking for Ronnie Stanley (different years). Jerry Tillery was 145th and Mike McGlinchey was unranked. I would have sworn that all of them were ranked much higher than Fuller. Maybe he got a late jump in the rankings, don’t really remember.

Actually, the reason is I used to track recruits mostly on ESPN at that time. ESPN used to be more non-subscription and I didn't know about all the other recruiting sites so most of my memories are from then. I believe ESPN had him rated lower than 100th best WR.

He might've also received a late bump by the recruiting services because I remember almost everyone being ambivalent about him at the outset.

 

[BobbyMac]

Always remember. You are comparing this years class mid-cycle the final ranking of past cycles. If you go back and look at Will Fuller, he finished Top 300 on 247 but was maybe Top 600 at this time of the cycle going into his Sr. year.

 

[fightingirish26]

Always remember. You are comparing this years class mid-cycle the final ranking of past cycles. If you go back and look at Will Fuller, he finished Top 300 on 247 but was maybe Top 600 at this time of the cycle going into his Sr. year.

Correct. My friend's dad (big PSU guy) worked with someone in Will's family and they wouldn't stop going off about how underrated he was, until he decommitted from PSU lol (they always referred to him as William Fuller which made me laugh as the only people calling him by his full first name were probably his family). I was surprised when Jaylon made it clear how big of a priority he was, considering he was firmly in the 3* range at the time, but a huge senior season converted enough people to push him up to low 4* status. Good call staff.

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[NDRock]

Actually, the reason is I used to track recruits mostly on ESPN at that time. ESPN used to be more non-subscription and I didn't know about all the other recruiting sites so most of my memories are from then. I believe ESPN had him rated lower than 100th best WR.

He might've also received a late bump by the recruiting services because I remember almost everyone being ambivalent about him at the outset.

I’ve always liked Rivals. I too always think of Fuller as a lower ranked guy and Ronnie Stanley as a high ranked recruit. I was surprised that they were actually ranked exactly the same. Both ended up as 1st round picks. Great job by the staff and players.

 

[Irish#1]

How do you block for that? You can't and ultimately, who cares. Some staffs are good at identifying talent, some aren't. I think the average ranking of recruits is another good indicator but again, what about the Will Fullers of the world? You can't, there will always be aberrations.

This staff is pretty good at finding talent and they've done a lot with top 15 recruiting classes. If they can continually sign top 10 or better, I think we'll continue to see double digit win seasons and hopefully, chances for a natty.

That's all I hope for, makes the season and recruiting so much more enjoyable.

I'm not following, but I agree. There are a ton of kids that go unnoticed or are ranked low, but have the talent to become better than their rankings if they put in the hard work and are coached properly. My point was more to the flaw in scoring a teams success in recruiting simply because a team took fewer recruits a particular season.