Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[BeauBenken]

Fair point. I just ran the overall numbers.



Good call out.

I would also argue though that that doesn't matter. The SEC over recruits too. It is a big reason for their success over the past few decades.

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[stlnd01]

Not to derail the Tommy Rees thread even further, but what happens to guys who wind up on the wrong end of Michigan over-recruiting? How do they manage their way down to 85?

Given their academic reputation and high profile, it’s hard to see them just kicking kids to the curb as some say the SEC schools do. If they have an unusual number of outbound transfers I guess I hadn’t noticed. A ton of medicals?

Has anyone analyzed?

 

[Irish#1]

Not to derail the Tommy Rees thread even further, but what happens to guys who wind up on the wrong end of Michigan over-recruiting? How do they manage their way down to 85?

Given their academic reputation and high profile, it’s hard to see them just kicking kids to the curb as some say the SEC schools do. If they have an unusual number of outbound transfers I guess I hadn’t noticed. A ton of medicals?

Has anyone analyzed?

It's already derailed. Carry on.

 

[OCIrish]

Salma Hayek is pretty.

LMAO.......thanks ACamp for this^^^^^^

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I would also argue though that that doesn't matter. The SEC over recruits too. It is a big reason for their success over the past few decades.

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Yeah but Clemson is a great counterexample. They have an ND approach to roster management and their recruiting rankings suffer as well. Leaving out the 2020 class that hasn't had an opportunity to impact football performance they've ranked as follows (# of signees in parentheses):

2016 - 11 (21)
2017 - 16 (14)
2018 - 7 (17)
2019 - 10 (29)

Do you think Clemson's average ranking of 11th accurately reflects their base talent level?

I don't know to measure this, exactly, but I am willing to bet that teams who systematically underperform their recruiting rankings tend to be teams who take more recruits, not fewer.

 

[BeauBenken]

Yeah but Clemson is a great counterexample. They have an ND approach to roster management and their recruiting rankings suffer as well. Leaving out the 2020 class that hasn't had an opportunity to impact football performance they've ranked as follows (# of signees in parentheses):

2016 - 11 (21)
2017 - 16 (14)
2018 - 7 (17)
2019 - 10 (29)

Do you think Clemson's average ranking of 11th accurately reflects their base talent level?

I don't know to measure this, exactly, but I am willing to bet that teams who systematically underperform their recruiting rankings tend to be teams who take more recruits, not fewer.

Good point.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Not to derail the Tommy Rees thread even further, but what happens to guys who wind up on the wrong end of Michigan over-recruiting? How do they manage their way down to 85?

Given their academic reputation and high profile, it’s hard to see them just kicking kids to the curb as some say the SEC schools do. If they have an unusual number of outbound transfers I guess I hadn’t noticed. A ton of medicals?

Has anyone analyzed?

Going off of 247, Michigan has 11 players in the transfer portal this year, and Notre Dame has 4. Last year it was 18, to ND's 6. So there's your answer.

In actual Rees news: II podcast mentioned that he was all set to interview at another P5 program before ND announced his hire. Shouldn't be hard to figure out which teams based on the vacancies at the time.

 

[PANDFAN]

Going off of 247, Michigan has 11 players in the transfer portal this year, and Notre Dame has 4. Last year it was 18, to ND's 6. So there's your answer.

In actual Rees news: II podcast mentioned that he was all set to interview at another P5 program before ND announced his hire. Shouldn't be hard to figure out which teams based on the vacancies at the time.

GEORGIA?

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Only reason Michigan’s recruiting classes are close to us is they have been taking full classes of 24-28 recruits. They have had tons of attrition unlike ND recently. On the most recent 247 evaluations they have 1 recruit in the top 100 and we had 3. OSU is DOMINATING them head to head and in development.

It's astonishing how completely their 2017 class fell apart. #5 class on paper to this:

Top 300 Prospects - 2017 Class (National rank)

Complete Failures:

Aubrey Solomon DT (23): Transferred to Tennessee

Luiji Vilain DE (57): 4 games played, 7 career tackles

Drew Singleton LB (79): Transferred to Rutgers

Jordan Anthony LB (106): 7 games, 15 career tackles

Chuck Filiaga OT (112): career backup thus far

Dylan Mcaffrey QB (123): Never started a game, couldn't beat out inaccurate Patterson

Oliver Martin WR (181): Transferred to Iowa

James Hudson DT (231): Transferred to Cincy

Deron-Irving Bey DE (249): Transferred to Central Michigan

Jaylen Kelly Powell (250): 7 career tackles, just entered transfer portal

Corey Malone Hatcher DE (268): Retired from football before playing a down

O'Maury Samuels RB (269): Dismissed from team

Donovan Jeter DT (289): 3 games, 3 tackles career

Underperformers:

Donovan Peoples-Jones WR (12): 3 years, 1300 yards, 14 TDs, left early for a mid-late round draft chance

Tarik Black WR (116): 40 catches 500 yards career, passed on depth chart by Ronnie Bell (who was ranked #212 WR in the 2018 class)

Moderate Success:

Cesar Ruiz OC (47): solid start. Big-ten 2nd team. Left early with mid-round grade

Ambry Thomas CB (90): started in 2019. Good year, Big Ten 3rd-team. Mid-round grade for next year's draft

So almost a complete lack of success across the board for all the top 300 players they landed.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

GEORGIA?

Honestly... that crossed my mind. I'd have to listen again, but the insinuation from the II crew was it was a major P5 school.

After some Googling, Nebraska and Wazzu also had an opening around then and UVA's OC was interviewing for the Hawaii HC job. I think LSU, too.

 

[koonja]

It's astonishing how completely their 2017 class fell apart. #5 class on paper to this:

Top 300 Prospects - 2017 Class (National rank)

Complete Failures:

Aubrey Solomon DT (23): Transferred to Tennessee

Luiji Vilain DE (57): 4 games played, 7 career tackles

Drew Singleton LB (79): Transferred to Rutgers

Jordan Anthony LB (106): 7 games, 15 career tackles

Chuck Filiaga OT (112): career backup thus far

Dylan Mcaffrey QB (123): Never started a game, couldn't beat out inaccurate Patterson

Oliver Martin WR (181): Transferred to Iowa

James Hudson DT (231): Transferred to Cincy

Deron-Irving Bey DE (249): Transferred to Central Michigan

Jaylen Kelly Powell (250): 7 career tackles, just entered transfer portal

Corey Malone Hatcher DE (268): Retired from football before playing a down

O'Maury Samuels RB (269): Dismissed from team

Donovan Jeter DT (289): 3 games, 3 tackles career

Underperformers:

Donovan Peoples-Jones WR (12): 3 years, 1300 yards, 14 TDs, left early for a mid-late round draft chance

Tarik Black WR (116): 40 catches 500 yards career, passed on depth chart by Ronnie Bell (who was ranked #212 WR in the 2018 class)

Moderate Success:

Cesar Ruiz OC (47): solid start. Big-ten 2nd team. Left early with mid-round grade

Ambry Thomas CB (90): started in 2019. Good year, Big Ten 3rd-team. Mid-round grade for next year's draft

So almost a complete lack of success across the board for all the top 300 players they landed.

Did Tarrick Black ever find a home? I hope he's not going back to UM.

I'd have rather ND took him over the NW WR, but I'm sure it wasn't that simple as choosing between them.

 

[NDRock]

Yeah but Clemson is a great counterexample. They have an ND approach to roster management and their recruiting rankings suffer as well. Leaving out the 2020 class that hasn't had an opportunity to impact football performance they've ranked as follows (# of signees in parentheses):

2016 - 11 (21)
2017 - 16 (14)
2018 - 7 (17)
2019 - 10 (29)

Do you think Clemson's average ranking of 11th accurately reflects their base talent level?

I don't know to measure this, exactly, but I am willing to bet that teams who systematically underperform their recruiting rankings tend to be teams who take more recruits, not fewer.

True, those that underperform and have a lot of transfers and those that have a lot of 3 year players declare for the draft.

As far as rankings, I like going with the 247 talent composite as it shows the talent on the roster for that particular year. Clemson, the last four years has been 9th three times and 6th once.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

True, those that underperform and have a lot of transfers and those that have a lot of 3 year players declare for the draft.

As far as rankings, I like going with the 247 talent composite as it shows the talent on the roster for that particular year. Clemson, the last four years has been 9th three times and 6th once.

Personally, I think it's better for locker room culture. If you treat your players like they're in a NFL development mill they're going to act like they're in an NFL development mill.

 

[NDdomer2]

Honestly... that crossed my mind. I'd have to listen again, but the insinuation from the II crew was it was a major P5 school.

After some Googling, Nebraska and Wazzu also had an opening around then and UVA's OC was interviewing for the Hawaii HC job. I think LSU, too.

I dont consider Nebraska, Wazzu, or UVA as a major P5 school tho. LSU and UGA fit that bill.

 

[stlnd01]

I dont consider Nebraska, Wazzu, or UVA as a major P5 school tho. LSU and UGA fit that bill.

Don’t tell Nebraska fans that.

 

[stlnd01]

Personally, I think it's better for locker room culture. If you treat your players like they're in a NFL development mill they're going to act like they're in an NFL development mill.

Yeah. More and more I think the three-and-out/up-or-out/NFL-or-bust culture at some of these recruiting powerhouses is a reason they never quite reach the heights you’d think they might on paper.
Thinking of Georgia in particular, and to some extent Ohio State.

 

[Circa]

"A coaches kid, coaches kids do pretty well" from the man who's won a few games.
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We got your back Tommy!

 

[IrishFaninTX]

He's been working hard on the recruiting trail. It seems high school kids can relate to him and they see a former player who knows what it takes to work hard and win a starting spot when nobody thought he'd ever be more than a scout team QB. I'm liking what I see so far and just hope the offense will move under him. The bowl game was encouraging

 

[BGIF]

I dont consider Nebraska, Wazzu, or UVA as a major P5 school tho. LSU and UGA fit that bill.

Don’t tell Nebraska fans that.

Over the last 3 years Nebraska has a total of 13 wins.

They use to win that many in a year.

 

[ulukinatme]

Thought this was cool

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Controversy? <a href="https://t.co/cAjIu2eefK">pic.twitter.com/cAjIu2eefK</a></p>— Tommy Rees (@T_Rees11) <a href="https://twitter.com/T_Rees11/status/1236341492563599367?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If you weren't sure, the other guy is Dayne Crist.

 

[Riddickulous]

The QB battle between those two was 9 years ago. Crazy how time flies.

 

[Irish#1]

Pulled from an article on Book in The Athletic. Rees is going to be an upgrade over Long.

Written by Pete Sampson

“Ian did say that Coach Rees was making decisions more black-and-white for him,” Rosenfels said. “I think that’s a great thing because the coaches I had where there was a lot of gray area, those quarterbacks struggled. The coordinators who make it black-and-white, not that it’s you can’t audible out of a bad look, but it’s more, ‘We talked about how you check into this play from that play.’ That’s when you’ve given the quarterback a tool box. That’s when it’s black-and-white.

“Then it’s just, ‘Do your job.’ ”

Whatever Book becomes in his final season, this is where he can probably improve most. Last summer former offensive coordinator Chip Long asked Book to be a “damn game changer,” which meant pushing his game forward physically. Take shots. Go deep. It’s hard to know if Book actually did that. The feeling around the quarterback was Long’s directive created a lose-lose situation. If he took a chance and failed, he’d get ripped. If he didn’t push it enough, similar story.

 

[ThePiombino]

Pulled from an article on Book in The Athletic. Rees is going to be an upgrade over Long.

Written by Pete Sampson

I hope there's a happy medium between not taking deep shots and the Long situation though. Until that option is on the table, elite defenses will continue to stack the box (something our less-than-elite running corps can't afford really) and suffocate the offense.

 

[NDdomer2]

Tough spot for Tommy. First year on the gig, most of the fan base isnt impressed with your hiring, then you dont get a spring ball with your team.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Almost everyone loves Tommy. He'll get a honeymoon.

And, in my opinion, will do fine regardless. (defenses aren't getting Spring Ball either, and we have a veteran QB and OLine.)

 

[IrishLax]

Rewatching the game. Holy crap was this a masterpiece. They definitely saved some stuff for Clemson. A whole lot of deception and pre-snap motion, great job of exploiting Clemson blitzes.

Credit to Ian Book for being aggressive and executing. Tons of money throws, hung in the pocket, and was extremely accurate. If ND plays this kind of offense the rest of the way they are going to hammer teams. They have been MUCH more conservative in other games... just go look at the Louisville or Duke film relative to this one.

 

[tussin]

Rewatching the game. Holy crap was this a masterpiece. They definitely saved some stuff for Clemson. A whole lot of deception and pre-snap motion, great job of exploiting Clemson blitzes.

Credit to Ian Book for being aggressive and executing. Tons of money throws, hung in the pocket, and was extremely accurate. If ND plays this kind of offense the rest of the way they are going to hammer teams. They have been MUCH more conservative in other games... just go look at the Louisville or Duke film relative to this one.

Their goal line formation audibles were fantastic like switching from a shotgun look with at least one TE on the outside to going under center and bringing both TEs in to block for Kyren -- basically guaranteed a few TDs on dive plays.

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A 2013 Notre Dame football graduate won a conference title tonight as a coordinator.<br><br>Tomorrow, another tries to do the same. <a href="https://t.co/bT4wNSpv9S">pic.twitter.com/bT4wNSpv9S</a></p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/1340151665035534336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Riddickulous]

He's had a very good year, but there's clearly a lot left to learn here.

 

[NDdomer2]

He's had a very good year, but there's clearly a lot left to learn here.

Thinking he could get the betyer of the best DC in the country twice I. His rookie campaign was probably foolish. However we had opportunity for more early I. This game which impacted it the rest of the way