2016 Presidential Horse Race

[woolybug25]

 

[Irish YJ]

Didn't her dragons fire some innocent goat hearders up?

 

[Irish YJ]

The better question is who is Jon Snow? We need that dude.

But but but GoIrish41 says Jon Snow knows nothing

 

[woolybug25]

Didn't her dragons fire some innocent goat hearders up?

Nah. She didn't order it. She just knew they were under attack and turned her back to it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Nah. She didn't order it. She just knew they were under attack and turned her back to it.

Hillghazi all over again

 

[phgreek]

Nah. She didn't order it. She just knew they were under attack and turned her back to it.

oh...I thought she ordered 4 wardrobe changes...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Hillghazi all over again

Time for 9 more investigations that all clear her.

 

[woolybug25]

Time for 9 more investigations that all clear her.

Trial by combat?

 

[phgreek]

Time for 9 more investigations that all clear her.

thats not funny because you actually believe that...

 

[kmoose]

Time for 9 more investigations that all clear her.

Clear her of what, exactly?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Clear her of what, exactly?

Well, she's essentially been accused of murder.

The administration could, and likely should have done a better job of protecting the site. Stevens himself is also partly to blame for that.

Benghazi panel caps 2-year probe: No bombshell, faults administration - CNNPolitics.com

The House Benghazi Committee report doesn't directly blame Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time and is now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, for the attacks. But it does suggest she and other administration officials did not adequately address the risks involved. It also suggests Stevens himself bore responsibility for securing his post.

But there was no stand down order given. There was no dragging of feet at the request of the secretary.

Hannity misleads about stand-down order, clothing change in Benghazi attack | PolitiFact

It was, and continues to be, a horrible event. It is similar to the attacks during the Bush administration.

Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush? | PolitiFact

It has been a political game for quite some time now.

GOP lawmaker: Benghazi panel "designed to go after" Hillary Clinton - CBS News

 

[kmoose]

Well, she's essentially been accused of murder.

Can you name me one inquiry which investigated her for possible murder charges?

The administration could, and likely should have done a better job of protecting the site. Stevens himself is also partly to blame for that.

Even if Stevens was PARTLY to blame, that means that the rest of the blame lies somewhere else........... maybe with the Head(Clinton) of that Department(State)?

It was, and continues to be, a horrible event. It is similar to the attacks during the Bush administration.

Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush? | PolitiFact

It's actually not similar at all. Of the 60 deaths during the Bush administration, ONE was an American. A young woman waiting outside of the gates of the US Embassy.

The TRUTH about the "13 attack unders Bush" meme - Discussionist

It has been a political game for quite some time now.

GOP lawmaker: Benghazi panel "designed to go after" Hillary Clinton - CBS News

I would argue that Clinton was the one who politicized her entire SOS tenure, when she chose to hide her official communications from public scrutiny by using a private email server. Even if it IS political, that doesn't "clear" her on anything.

You yourself said:

The administration could, and likely should have done a better job of protecting the site.

"The Administration" is HRC. She is the Sec State, and she made the security decisions that led up to the breaching of the consulate.

So she is not "clear" of anything that was credibly alleged, except for maybe the order for the military to stand down or slow down. And all that proves is that she's not malicious............ she's just incompetent.

 

[GoIrish41]

Even if Stevens was PARTLY to blame, that means that the rest of the blame lies somewhere else........... maybe with the Head(Clinton) of that Department(State)?

"The Administration" is HRC. She is the Sec State, and she made the security decisions that led up to the breaching of the consulate.

So she is not "clear" of anything that was credibly alleged, except for maybe the order for the military to stand down or slow down. And all that proves is that she's not malicious............ she's just incompetent.

For what it's worth Stevens family blames Congress for cuts in funding for security.

 

[kmoose]

For what it's worth Stevens family blames Congress for cuts in funding for security.

OK. So it is partly Stevens, partly Congress, and partly Clinton? Or are you suggesting that Clinton bears NO blame for the inadequate security?

 

[GoIrish41]

OK. So it is partly Stevens, partly Congress, and partly Clinton? Or are you suggesting that Clinton bears NO blame for the inadequate security?

I'm not suggesting anything. Just pointing out what the family of the diplomat who died believes.

 

[kmoose]

I'm not suggesting anything. Just pointing out what the family of the diplomat who died believes.

Fair enough.

 

[Woneone]

I'm not suggesting anything. Just pointing out what the family of the diplomat who died believes.

Based on this quote?

"It is clear, in hindsight," she added, "that the facility was not sufficiently protected by the State Department and the Defense Department. But what was the underlying cause? Perhaps if Congress had provided a budget to increase security for all missions around the world, then some of the requests for more security in Libya would have been granted. Certainly the State Department is underbudgeted."

That hardly seems like a damning accusation.

The Stevens family has been pretty steadfast, since 2012, that there isn't much blame to go around and have handled it with more grace that I would have been able to.

Now, Sean Smith's mother, another killed in the attack, well, that's another story. She seems pretty adamant about whose lying.

 

[GoIrish41]

Based on this quote?



That hardly seems like a damning accusation.

The Stevens family has been pretty steadfast, since 2012, that there isn't much blame to go around and have handled it with more grace that I would have been able to.

Now, Sean Smith's mother, another killed in the attack, well, that's another story. She seems pretty adamant about whose lying.

On my phone and unable to link, but ther is an article in the New Yorker that has more of that quote than you posted.

 

[Woneone]

On my phone and unable to link, but ther is an article in the New Yorker that has more of that quote than you posted.

And I've read the entire article. That was, in my opinion by a large margin, the quote that would be most accusatory towards Congress.

The second part of the quote from the direct question:

I do not blame Hillary Clinton or Leon Panetta. They were balancing security efforts at embassies and missions around the world. And their staffs were doing their best to provide what they could with the resources they had. The Benghazi Mission was understaffed. We know that now. But, again, Chris knew that. It wasn’t a secret to him. He decided to take the risk to go there. It is not something they did to him. It is something he took on himself.

Again, not exactly finger pointing, and it's obvious she's answering every question from the interview in a way to un-politicize her brothers death.

Which is basically the exact opposite of how you used it.

 

[phgreek]

For what it's worth Stevens family blames Congress for cuts in funding for security.

I'm sorry for their loss, but I would submit that we all (you included) have to deal with funding cuts, and we are still expected to do good risk assessment / management, be agile, and avoid catastrophic events. I don't think the state department met the expectation in this case...

The actual events of Benghazi, I really don't hang too heavily on HRC. I do think her conduct after is clearly indicative of her total political nature and her character.

 

[IrishLax]

State Department seeks 2-year-plus delay in suit for Clinton aides’ emails - POLITICO

Unreal... so Bill Clinton has a "chance" (lol) meeting with Loretta Lynch, then next thing you know the State Department is asking for a TWO YEAR DELAY in releasing the emails. Convenient.

Also, State Department has been for some time refusing to honor any FOI request pertaining to Clinton until after the election.

Can't wait to hear Eddy's spin on why this is totally OK and no big deal because she has a "D" next to her name.

 

[connor_in]

State Department seeks 2-year-plus delay in suit for Clinton aides’ emails - POLITICO

Unreal... so Bill Clinton has a "chance" (lol) meeting with Loretta Lynch, then next thing you know the State Department is asking for a TWO YEAR DELAY in releasing the emails. Convenient.

Also, State Department has been for some time refusing to honor any FOI request pertaining to Clinton until after the election.

Can't wait to hear Eddy's spin on why this is totally OK and no big deal because she has a "D" next to her name.

Dude, it was just a chance meeting and they only talked about grandchildren and travel.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

2016 Presidential Horse Race

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[connor_in]

 

[irishfan]

Seen a lot of smoke about how this meeting was on purpose so Lynch will recuse herself and no decision will be possible until after November. The Clintons aren't stupid. No way Bill would meet with her and let the story get out.

 

[RDU Irish]

If anyone can post that clip from Raleigh last week of Hillary reading off the teleprompter a bit too literally, it is hilarious.

So it said "sigh" and instead of sigh'ing she says "sigh" to cap off whatever pandering remarks she is regurgitating. And people wonder why Trump gets so much latitude for his buffoon off the cuff remarks - the level of programing of these charlatans is beyond offense and not lost on the "stupid" underclass.

 

[RDU Irish]

Seen a lot of smoke about how this meeting was on purpose so Lynch will recuse herself and no decision will be possible until after November. The Clintons aren't stupid. No way Bill would meet with her and let the story get out.

That story didn't add up to me - one I read said he boarded her plane to say hi? WTF is that - talking in the concourse or something I could understand but boarding a plane on which you are not booked? Would like to know the logistics of this to better know how full of shite the story is. Most likely it is a ploy to kick the can further down the road as you say.

 

[GoIrish41]

State Department seeks 2-year-plus delay in suit for Clinton aides’ emails - POLITICO

Unreal... so Bill Clinton has a "chance" (lol) meeting with Loretta Lynch, then next thing you know the State Department is asking for a TWO YEAR DELAY in releasing the emails. Convenient.

Also, State Department has been for some time refusing to honor any FOI request pertaining to Clinton until after the election.

Can't wait to hear Eddy's spin on why this is totally OK and no big deal because she has a "D" next to her name.

The Clintons are scummy and this "chance" meeting was clearly an inappropriate to influence the investigation. There is no defense for Bill's actions. It's just how the Clintons role and people are right to take them with a healthy dose of skepticism because they clearly don't think the rules apply to them. I doubt Eddy will say this was ok.

 

[phgreek]

Seen a lot of smoke about how this meeting was on purpose so Lynch will recuse herself and no decision will be possible until after November. The Clintons aren't stupid. No way Bill would meet with her and let the story get out.

Agree. These people are ALL lawyers. They knew EXACTLY what this meant. Lynch, I believe didn't intend for this, but failed to prevent it. But I'd bet the farm this was calculated to have an impact.

It may well be that Ms. Lynch WAS doing what she says (letting the FBI do their thing)...and the Clintons didn't like their chances in a fair assessment...so being the Clintons, they decided to remove Lynch from the critical path timeline to a Hillary presidency. Knowing full well if she gets elected, the game is over.

I believe either or both of delay, and Lynch recusal was their motive here. They are going to get at least one if not both. They will have derailed any real chance Trump had....which was a Hillary indictment.

 

[drayer54]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD8gJt7weU

This is a good way to handle the issue of choosing between evil and a con artist.