Sep 4 | Texas

[Irish Insanity]

I'm not moving any goal poasts.........

I'm literally saying I'm comparing our WR position group to other WR position groups, and not including other position groups (RB, OL, etc.) into the comparison. I'm comparing apples to apples and I'm intellectually incapable of making that any more clear than I have, so if it's not clear by now, let's move on.

Someone has to throw the WR the ball just as someone has to block for the RB outside. It doesn't matter how good individually your WRs are if the rest isn't there.

 

[koonja]

Someone has to throw the WR the ball just as someone has to block for the RB outside. It doesn't matter how good individually your WRs are if the rest isn't there.

Which is a different point and discussion (and worth having), but outside of the point I was making.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Which is a different point and discussion (and worth having), but outside of the point I was making.

Lulz. So how and what do you use to rate a WR or group if them catching a ball, running a ball, or blocking isn't included?

 

[koonja]

Lulz. So how and what do you use to rate a WR or group if them catching a ball, running a ball, or blocking isn't included?

Talent and returning production of the actual WR group compared to other top 15 program's WR group.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Talent and returning production of the actual WR group compared to other top 15 program's WR group.

Production includes the rest if the entire offense. As far as talent, you've studied 90% of D1 programs to make that judgement? That's some dedication.

 

[Bugzly21]

Talent and returning production of the actual WR group compared to other top 15 program's WR group.

I gave you the example that Bama was in the same boat in 2015 as ND in 2016 as far as returning production from the receiver group

 

[koonja]

I gave you the example that Bama was in the same boat in 2015 as ND in 2016 as far as returning production from the receiver group

Bama brought in Calvin Ridley, though. But that's a good example still. I'd take Demetris Robertson/Ridley as a true frosh over a 2nd year ESB personally, so I'd take Bama's situation last year over ours this year. Just my opinion - but your example is a good one because you're right, they didn't bring much/any more production back than we are this year. Although they're more run heavy offense, still a good point.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I believe we're talented at WR but I'm afraid talent doesn't equate to catches. The reason our offense was so good last year (outside of Will Fuller's blazing speed) was because we consistently made the 'routine catches'.

Kelly's strategy is predicated on consistent, predictable chunks of yards. When we have drops or TFLs, we almost always end up stalling.

We can't have lack of focus if we want to win double digits. I understand Koon's concern on this one. I'm in 'show-me' mode rather than 'I don't believe' mode. I just need to see what this team is made of.

 

[woolybug25]

So all of you WR chicken littles... Can you give me one example of when one of BK's teams had poor receiving production?

 

[Wild Bill]

I'm curious, what makes you think so? No one besides Hunter has any experience, and from what I heard during fall camp, general consensus wasn't very good with WRs. Im not worried, but im not incredibly optimistic. Hoping im wrong.

The general consensus is that they weren't very consistent, and that's not good, but there's reason to be optimistic.

Will is a unique talent, a first round pick and not easily replaceable. It's unreasonable to assume Hunter will simply step right in and give you the same production but most are confident he can produce at a very high level.

EQ St Brown is big, fast, talented and he's going to be a bigger threat than Chris Brown if he can put it all together. Brown had 48 catches for 597 yards and 4 TDs. I think they can get more out of EQ or a combination of EQ and Boykin at that position.

Sanders is going to be better than Amir. I think most people reporting agree and think Sanders will have a big year.

Collectively, I think these guys could be good. EQ is really the key to the group. If he plays with some consistency it's going to open up the field for Sanders and Hunter.

The receivers will benefit tremendously if the run game is as good as advertised. It's amazing how open average receivers can get when LBs and safeties bite on play action and when QBs have time to throw the ball.

 

[Bugzly21]

So all of you WR chicken littles... Can you give me one example of when one of BK's teams had poor receiving production?

You could argue 2012. The WR corp only totaled 123 receptions, 1657 yard and 7 TD's between 8 different receivers. Leading WR was TJ for 50/649/4.

Edit: I think the production at WR will top that this year with a stronger run game

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The general consensus is that they weren't very consistent, and that's not good, but there's reason to be optimistic.

Will is a unique talent, a first round pick and not easily replaceable. It's unreasonable to assume Hunter will simply step right in and give you the same production but most are confident he can produce at a very high level.

EQ St Brown is big, fast, talented and he's going to be a bigger threat than Chris Brown if he can put it all together. Brown had 48 catches for 597 yards and 4 TDs. I think they can get more out of EQ or a combination of EQ and Boykin at that position.

Sanders is going to be better than Amir. I think most people reporting agree and think Sanders will have a big year.

Collectively, I think these guys could be good. EQ is really the key to the group. If he plays with some consistency it's going to open up the field for Sanders and Hunter.

The receivers will benefit tremendously if the run game is as good as advertised. It's amazing how open average receivers can get when LBs and safeties bite on play action and when QBs have time to throw the ball.

One more thing, I want to see what TE adds to the mix. I think we will be much better at tight end than we have been since Tyler Eifert, TE, get it(???) was on the roster.

Tell me something that leads me to believe that Durham, Nic, and Tyler haven't done everything they could in camp to show that we will be solid to really good at tight end this year. And, won't that also take all the pressure in the world off of the wide receivers and quarterbacks, while breaking in inexperienced wide receivers?

When is Kelly's press conference today?

 

[NDdomer2]

You could argue 2012. The WR corp only totaled 123 receptions, 1657 yard and 7 TD's between 8 different receivers. Leading WR was TJ for 50/649/4.

Edit: I think the production at WR will top that this year with a stronger run game

I dont know if excluding Eifert from the "WR" pool is entirely accurate.

 

[Bugzly21]

Bama brought in Calvin Ridley, though. But that's a good example still. I'd take Demetris Robertson/Ridley as a true frosh over a 2nd year ESB personally, so I'd take Bama's situation last year over ours this year. Just my opinion - but your example is a good one because you're right, they didn't bring much/any more production back than we are this year. Although they're more run heavy offense, still a good point.

OK how about another playoff team last year? MSU, returning production coming into 2015 was low. Top 2 WR were seniors in 2014. So now that's 50% of last years playoffs that had little experience at WR coming back.

Stanford, same thing. Iowa same thing. Houston, close (Demarcus Ayers 2014- 33/335/2, 2015- 98/1222/6)

So I just gave you half of the final Top 10 (2 playoff teams, 4 conference champs) that looked at the same scenario as ND WR this year.

 

[Bugzly21]

I dont know if excluding Eifert from the "WR" pool is entirely accurate.

I left him out because of the whole "WR" corp discussion. I wasn't starting an argument with Wooly. Main point was 2012 "could" be looked at a low WR production and that year turned out pretty good

 

[NDdomer2]

I left him out because of the whole "WR" corp discussion. I wasn't starting an argument with Wooly. Main point was 2012 "could" be looked at a low WR production and that year turned out pretty good

I'm with ya, I am just thinking of his 50 catches, 685 yards and 4td's, the majority were detached from LS.

This even helps point to the fact that Kelly's offense is going to manufacture passing yards. It's truly about the x's and o's not the Johnny's and Joe's.

 

[woolybug25]

I left him out because of the whole "WR" corp discussion. I wasn't starting an argument with Wooly. Main point was 2012 "could" be looked at a low WR production and that year turned out pretty good

My comment was "receiving production" not receiving yards from wide receivers. We had terrific receiving production from our TE's and RB's that season. If anything, that strengthens my argument.

Even if you wanted to talk specifically about WR's that year, they were good enough to get us to the title game.

 

[Bugzly21]

My comment was "receiving production" not receiving yards from wide receivers. We had terrific receiving production from our TE's and RB's that season. If anything, that strengthens my argument.

Even if you wanted to talk specifically about WR's that year, they were good enough to get us to the title game.

And that's what I was hitting on

 

[IrishBroker]

My comment was "receiving production" not receiving yards from wide receivers. We had terrific receiving production from our TE's and RB's that season. If anything, that strengthens my argument.

Even if you wanted to talk specifically about WR's that year, they were good enough to get us to the title game.

Ehhh...I'm not giving them THAT much credit.

 

[woolybug25]

Ehhh...I'm not giving them THAT much credit.

Let me rephrase. They were good enough to not keep us from going to the title game.


Check your pm.

 

[IrishBroker]

Let me rephrase. They were good enough to not keep us from going to the title game.


Check your pm.

True. TJ was as solid as they come.

 

[kmoose]

Bama brought in Calvin Ridley, though. But that's a good example still. I'd take Demetris Robertson/Ridley as a true frosh over a 2nd year ESB personally, so I'd take Bama's situation last year over ours this year. Just my opinion - but your example is a good one because you're right, they didn't bring much/any more production back than we are this year. Although they're more run heavy offense, still a good point.

Did you seriously just say that Alabama's run game helped their receiving corps to produce last year, despite them returning a minimal amount of production?

 

[koonja]

Did you seriously just say that Alabama's run game helped their receiving corps to produce last year, despite them returning a minimal amount of production?

Not at all. I'm saying their receiving production is naturally going to be lower since they run a ground and pound and we run a spread. That point has nothing to do with their run game helping their receivers out - it was all about a team with less pass attempts (alabama) will naturally have less receptions.

HOWEVER, I looked up the actual stats between Bama and ND, and they actually passed more than us in 2014 and 2015, so I take it back that they pass less than us. Bama is a good example, like I've said everytime it was brought up in this discussion.

 

[IrishLion]

Idk if I can handle much more football talk. Too amped up for kickoff. Might have to log off of IE until post-game next Sunday.

It's gonna be nice to experience the first College Football Saturday of the season without ND-induced anxiety, but it's also going to be a terrible tease.


FOOOOOTTTTTTTBBBBAAAALLLLLLLLL

 

[zelezo vlk]

Idk if I can handle much more football talk. Too amped up for kickoff. Might have to log off of IE until post-game next Sunday.

It's gonna be nice to experience the first College Football Saturday of the season without ND-induced anxiety, but it's also going to be a terrible tease.


FOOOOOTTTTTTTBBBBAAAALLLLLLLLL

Cal plays Hawaii tonight in Australia or some shit. You can watch that as like Malcolm X tea.

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[Bugzly21]

Cal plays Hawaii tonight in Australia or some shit. You can watch that as like Malcolm X tea.

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It's tomorrow and I believe at 10PM EST

 

[ulukinatme]

Apparently Texas' guard Zach Shackelford is going to be out for the game with a high ankle sprain. This is what was said on the Shag:

Jarron Jones versus McMillon.

Hahahahahahahahafuuuuuckhahahaha

To be fair, it's not like this guy was keeping Jones up at night.

Good stuff.

 

[koonja]

Apparently Texas' guard Zach Shackelford is going to be out for the game with a high ankle sprain. This is what was said on the Shag:





Good stuff.

This guy isn't a starter though, is he? He's a 3 starts true freshman, I can't imagine he'd see the field anyways.

 

[BGIF]

Apparently Texas' guard Zach Shackelford is going to be out for the game with a high ankle sprain. This is what was said on the Shag:

...

Shackelford is the Horns Starting Center. I believe he was a G in HS.

According to this 8/20 article, Strong said he was 60% at that time and expected to be back this week.

Did he re-injure the ankle or did you come across old news?

Longhorns getting healthy with two weeks until Notre Dame game

8/20/16 Charlie Strong

Today he probably would have been at maybe 60 percent,” Strong said. “Next week we’ll be able to get him back and get him back up to pace.

 

[Rocket89]

Vastly underrated storyline that Texas has been expecting a true freshman to start at center since he arrived in the spring.