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Does Jenkins dislike the football program? Or at least not want them to be too big?
 
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koonja said:
Does Jenkins dislike the football program? Or at least not want them to be too big?
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That's how his predecessor, Monk Malloy, felt. Jenkins is quite the opposite. The resurgence of ND Football coincided directly with his taking office.
 
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That's how his predecessor, Monk Malloy, felt. Jenkins is quite the opposite. The resurgence of ND Football coincided directly with his taking office.
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So you think he's a fan? Or at least not against them? Cause he seems to be at every game enjoying himself. Or maybe he's just making sure the crowd's not too loud.
 
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koonja said:
Does Jenkins dislike the football program? Or at least not want them to be too big?
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Go back and read this entire thread.

Someone posted earlier in the thread all of the good things that have happened with the football program under Father Jenkins' watch. I think he is fine with the trajectory of the football program.
 
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Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
 
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Bugzly21 said:
Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
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I assume you did that on purpose?
 
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Bugzly21 said:
Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
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what an original idea. Hollywood would be all over a story like that.
 
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Bugzly21 said:
Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
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Hahaha...that would be funny, but it wouldn't work.
 
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Bugzly21 said:
Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
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Sounds like a plan, Jenkins would hate to forfeit to the Bye.
 
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Bugzly21 said:
Every player on the team should walk into Fr. Jenkins office, put their jersey on the desk and say they're not going to play in this weeks game unless they get some answers for their teammates
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That would be awesome.
 
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wizards8507 said:
Screw that! I beat him by three posts. Booooo!
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not that it matters much but in the initial presser, wasn't it a reporter and not jenkins, that originally brought up the whole "vacating wins" notion?
 
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Not to be alarmist, but the fact that she was in a paid position is worst case scenario type stuff. If she was unpaid, a general student, and no one above her knew then there is no grounds for vacating or anything else... with her being paid the University has some limited exposure to violations. So with the NCAA being consistently inconsistent who knows what happens.
 
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Not to be alarmist, but the fact that she was in a paid position is worst case scenario type stuff. If she was unpaid, a general student, and no one above her knew then there is no grounds for vacating or anything else... with her being paid the University has some limited exposure to violations. So with the NCAA being consistently inconsistent who knows what happens.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's that bad since they were a part time employee.
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don't know if this has been said....I kinda think now that we wont be seeing any of these guys this year....
 
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NDohio said:
Go back and read this entire thread.

Someone posted earlier in the thread all of the good things that have happened with the football program under Father Jenkins' watch. I think he is fine with the trajectory of the football program.
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That was me. He didn't read it then. What makes you think he will read it now? That's not his M.O.

Wizard posted the UND info on the Honesty Committee Procedures. He didn't read them.

I posted the email policy and Kelly's quotes. He didn't read any of those either.
 
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That was me. He didn't read it then. What makes you think he will read it now? That's not his M.O.

Wizard posted the UND info on the Honesty Committee Procedures. He didn't read them.

I posted the email policy and Kelly's quotes. He didn't read any of those either.
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read it.

I'll read it.

Didn't read that.

I most definitely did read it, but didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. Emails on the University's account are not protected. Private email accounts on the school's network are more protected, but it depends. That's SOP for most places of employment as well.
 
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My guess is that since the investigation is complete, the Admin pretty much knows what the punishment for these kids is going to be. The hearings will just be a formality. I think they submitted their findings and self-imposed penalties (if there are any) to the NCAA and are waiting to hear back from them.

Just my guess. Gotta hear back from NCAA before the academic hearings and punishments. Wouldn't make sense for them to clear anyone just to have the NCAA deem them ineligible after seeing the findings of the investigation.

^Sorry if this theory has been posted before, I mentally checked out of this thread weeks ago.
 
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IrishLax said:
Not to be alarmist, but the fact that she was in a paid position is worst case scenario type stuff. If she was unpaid, a general student, and no one above her knew then there is no grounds for vacating or anything else... with her being paid the University has some limited exposure to violations. So with the NCAA being consistently inconsistent who knows what happens.
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About 7600 posts ago I commented about the NCAA precedent finding Dunbar a booster for a $25 charge to defray mailing list expenses for the QB Club and concern if a tutor was truly involved. During that same period as the Dunbar NCAA Inquiry there was another incident with some similarity to the current one.

Backup QB Eric Chappell was dismissed early in the '99 season and ND acknowledged, if I recall correctly, that he had swapped Complimentary Player Game Tickets with a girl friend tutor to write a paper for him.

Each player is allowed a specified number of game tickets that the players generally use for family and friends to attend games. The athletes are allowed to swap the rights to those tickets so they can bring more people to the game but they don't physically take possession of the tickets. There is a highly regulated sign in procedure to prevent abuse.

I was a guest of an athlete for the '98 USC game. My name was submitted for the game ticket list through the athletic department several days to a week before game day by the athlete. I was told that the spelling I gave had to match my driver's license exactly. On game day I had to go to table in a tent outside the Coliseum where a couple ND personnel checked IDs versus the typed ticket list. The photo on the ID was checked to assure I was the right party before I got my ticket.

As I recall the story, Chappell told the girl she could sell the tickets for cash. The sign in process pretty much precludes that as the athlete has to know the ID information for the actual game attendee and the university has to have it days in advance to prepare the typed list. I believe she felt duped when he couldn't produce the actual tickets, making a fuss, and blowing the whistle.

The incident was reported to the NCAA by ND as a misuse of complimentary ticket rules and "extra benefits", the paper for the bartered tickets. He was kicked off the team and left school although I don't recall any discussion of an Honesty Committee hearing. Back at the time I had several contacts in the Administration, on staff and among athletes. The Extra Benefits was the buzz with Chappell but it was thought to be minor infraction as a one time deal and no cash had exchanged hands.

Many people thought this was a more significant infraction than Dunbar as the girl was a student and tutor thus having an institutional connection, albeit small, while Dunbar had no affliation to UND ... until an NCAA committee reached a landmark decision with the long reach to the $25 mailing list charge. I don't recall the girl's name ever being revealed nor if she suffered an Honesty Committee penalty. I suspect Honesty Committee business was confidential back then as well. I don't recall FERPA being discussed either although it was in effect having been passed in '74.


Jenkin revelation to the Faculty I'll take as good news. But as Lax noted. "So with the NCAA being consistently inconsistent who knows what happens."
 
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