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I wish people would go after the other annoying lardass woman in that movie. She is awful.

She is one of the same as this Jones chick. Loud mouth, crude, rips on everyone mercilessly, then cries when someone calls her fat.

*Im truly not a hateful person, but am a firm believer in "STFU unless you can handle it coming back your way." These windbag bullies are so thin skinned.

She perfectly fits the overall mentality of the current generation's youth that love her movies...
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My direct interactions with twitter. COMPLETELY THEIR RIGHT but... double standard much?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FreeMilo?src=hash">#FreeMilo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Transparency?src=hash">#Transparency</a> <a href="https://t.co/18MxHQHSNK">pic.twitter.com/18MxHQHSNK</a></p>— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) <a href="https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/755794533393244160">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Political Correctness thread

My direct interactions with twitter. COMPLETELY THEIR RIGHT but... double standard much?#FreeMilo #Transparency pic.twitter.com/18MxHQHSNK— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) July 20, 2016



I don't do Twitter, but have been reading quite a bit today from all these people out of morbid curiosity. My unbiased opinion afterwards is:

1. This Milo and Crowder guy are instigators in a very high regard, but are smart enough to tiptoe the line, while their aforementioned (in previous posts) hordes that have no filter attack

2. Leslie Jones made herself an easy mark by outright saying offensive things that clearly violate the TOS under the veil of being a "comedian"

3. Both sides are ridiculous for acting like victims. They went toe to toe, and both parties came out looking like petulant brats when the fire got too hot

4. Ghostbusters is a monumentally shitty movie, and did everything in its power to burn that franchise to the ground, and then piss on the smoldering ashes
 

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It really doesn't matter if Milo told anyone to say things or what they said, because it's Twitter's call in the end.

However, we MUST point out the double standard when it comes to targeting "abuse and harrassment".

Milo's inbox is filled every day with Muslims calling for his death and threatening him. He takes screenshots, but their accounts remain.

ISIS, a terrorist group whose goal is to KILL anyone who objects their beliefs, has numerous Twitter accounts so that they can spread their message.

Westboro Baptist Church, a group that protests the deaths of American soldiers in order to demonstrate their anti-gay agenda, is allowed to voice their opinions on Twitter.

But because Milo spoke negatively (although he personally said none of the things that she reported) about a liberal African-American woman, Mr. Jack Dorsey decided it was Milo who crossed the line and had to be removed.

Twitter policy:
-Terrorism allowed
-Insults not allowed
 

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I thought Twitter had a deal where they would shut down the Isis accounts as they popped up and were confirmed as legit, and so the Isis stuff was always moving to new accounts?

I've never done a search myself, as I'd rather not have the FBI "ping" on my computer haha.
 

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Reaction to the crazy Twitter-storm directed at Leslie Jones as the new Ghostbusters film was released:

The hounding of Leslie Jones: anti-PC gone mad | Coffee House

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Ghostbusters thing is the most baffling ever. If you think you won’t like a movie, you just … don’t go. <a href="https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX">https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755816468512735232">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No hero, just a guy trying to do his best, but I personally manage not to go to the movies almost 365 times a year. <a href="https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH">https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755821974547472384">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Lol
 

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I thought Twitter had a deal where they would shut down the Isis accounts as they popped up and were confirmed as legit, and so the Isis stuff was always moving to new accounts?

I've never done a search myself, as I'd rather not have the FBI "ping" on my computer haha.

Maybe they're not verified ISIS, but they pledge allegiance to their cause.

Killing Christians, trying to shut down speech, etc.
 

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Reaction to the crazy Twitter-storm directed at Leslie Jones as the new Ghostbusters film was released:

The hounding of Leslie Jones: anti-PC gone mad | Coffee House

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Ghostbusters thing is the most baffling ever. If you think you won’t like a movie, you just … don’t go. <a href="https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX">https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755816468512735232">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No hero, just a guy trying to do his best, but I personally manage not to go to the movies almost 365 times a year. <a href="https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH">https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755821974547472384">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Lol

Haha I liked the article, as well as the Tweets.

It kind of reminds me of my Facebook newsfeed right now:

I see a post by a borderline-racist conservative that downplays everything negative about Trump, and points out Hillary as a criminal, as if that absolves Trump for being a scumbag.

Next, I see a post by an overly-offended feminist trumpeting Hillary because girl power, and blasting Trump for being a douche, while downplaying Hillary's lack of ethics and sense of responsibility towards national security.


Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking about how dumb all of the people on my newsfeed look, and wondering what I did to deserve these people as friends in the first place haha.
 

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Haha I liked the article, as well as the Tweets.

It kind of reminds me of my Facebook newsfeed right now:

I see a post by a borderline-racist conservative that downplays everything negative about Trump, and points out Hillary as a criminal, as if that absolves Trump for being a scumbag.

Next, I see a post by an overly-offended feminist trumpeting Hillary because girl power, and blasting Trump for being a douche, while downplaying Hillary's lack of ethics and sense of responsibility towards national security.


THEN, I NOTICE ALL MY BERNIE SUPPORTER FRIENDS HAVE DISAPPEARED BECAUSE NOBODY PAID THEIR INTERNET BILL FOR THEM.

Meanwhile, I'm over here thinking about how dumb all of the people on my newsfeed look, and wondering what I did to deserve these people as friends in the first place haha.



Added one for you.
 

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Reaction to the crazy Twitter-storm directed at Leslie Jones as the new Ghostbusters film was released:

The hounding of Leslie Jones: anti-PC gone mad | Coffee House

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Ghostbusters thing is the most baffling ever. If you think you won’t like a movie, you just … don’t go. <a href="https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX">https://t.co/d1xoNifhVX</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755816468512735232">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No hero, just a guy trying to do his best, but I personally manage not to go to the movies almost 365 times a year. <a href="https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH">https://t.co/BdaOcOSOcH</a></p>— David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/755821974547472384">July 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Lol
That's idiotic. Milo writes articles and one of those articles was a review of the movie. If David Frum's editor assigned him to go see Ghostbusters and he thought it was complete shit and that Leslie Jones plays a racist stereotype of a character (as she always does), he would have written the same thing. Milo didn't "hound" anyone.

Frum needs to get his timeline right. Milo wrote an article on Breitbart. Then Leslie Jones went after Milo on Twitter. It was only after she went after him that the shitstorm from his (ignorant) followers started.

Also, any article with the words "Leslie Jones is a funny comedian" is automatically to be dismissed.
 
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Added one for you.

All of the Bernie people are still posting about Bernie on my Facebook.

And the anti-Bernie people are lambasting Bernie for flip-flopping in his support of Hillary, which is hilarious in its own right.

I hatelove political stuff on social media so much.
 

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That's idiotic. Milo writes articles and one of those articles was a review of the movie. If David Frum's editor assigned him to go see Ghostbusters and he thought it was complete shit and that Leslie Jones plays a racist stereotype of a character (as she always does), he would have written the same thing. Milo didn't "hound" anyone.

Frum needs to get his timeline right. Milo wrote an article on Breitbart. Then Leslie Jones went after Milo on Twitter. It was only after she went after him that the shitstorm from his (ignorant) followers started.

Also, any article with the words "Leslie Jones is a funny comedian" is automatically to be dismissed.

The story doesn't mention Milo. It's about all of the people using the "Ghost Busters" thing as an excuse to be racist shitheads.

They're mad that a bunch of women got to do a shitty remake of a classic movie. I'm mad about it, too. But instead of being racist and attacking someone on Twitter about it... I just don't see the movie.
 
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Dave Rubin nailing it as always.

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You can be a professional troll? What kind of money is there in that?

I'm asking for a friend.
Troll enough and ESPN will hire you
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Dave Rubin nailing it as always.

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I've seen some of his interviews. I gotta say, there is a genuine curiosity from him that is lacking from 99% of the people in that space. I think he does a pretty good job of asking reasonable questions and then LISTENING.
 

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I've seen some of his interviews. I gotta say, there is a genuine curiosity from him that is lacking from 99% of the people in that space. I think he does a pretty good job of asking reasonable questions and then LISTENING.
He's fantastic. He went dark for awhile because he left the network he was affiliated with but now he's fully independent so he'll be getting back at it.
 

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In light of comments in recent days, thought these two articles were interesting and focuses on how Denmark is fighting sharia law.

Sharia in Denmark

Fatma, during her visits to the mosque, learned from imam Abu Bilal that married women who commit infidelity should be stoned to death, and that Muslims who leave Islam may be killed. He makes no reservations about these teachings. She also learned that young children who refuse to pray should be beaten (a woman asks the imam specifically, how she should conduct those beatings). Fatma was also informed that a woman may not take a job without her husband's permission.

Abu Bilal further says that her husband is entitled to take another wife. Fatma is not allowed to deny her husband his "sexual rights," even when he is violent. When she asks the imam if she should involve the police, the answer is an emphatic "no."

Officially, the spokesman of the Grimhøj mosque, along with spokesmen from three of the eight mosques, professes that the mosque respects Danish law. But behind closed doors -- on hidden camera -- he advocates polygamy and beating children. He also instructs Fatma to go back to her abusive spouse and to let him commit what amounts to rape.

Fatma attended three other mosques in Aarhus, one of which publicly claims to be "moderate." All of the clerics gave her the same answers. Some told her that violence is not allowed, but made it clear that there is nothing she can do. The imam at the Fredens mosque added that she might be able to obtain a divorce, if necessary, from their sharia council.

Muhammed, reporting what he experienced in the mosques, told TV2 news that he had been warned in the mosques against the Danes; informed that they were kuffar (unbelievers), and that he should avoid them and their social functions, such as birthday parties. One imam told the couple that they should "not melt into Danish society," but simply surround themselves with other Muslims.

In Copenhagen, Fatma consulted the leader of the female section of the Islamisk Trossamfund mosque, Umm Abdullah. The claim at Islamisk Trossamfund is that it is in contact with several thousand Muslims every week, and thus among the biggest mosques in Denmark. Umm Abdullah tells Fatma that she must not go to birthday parties; there would be, she says, alcohol and mixed male and female company -- and she should only meet with Danish people in order to tell them about Islam. This is necessary, says Umm Abdullah, to save the Danes from hell, and the only reason why Muslims should interact with Danes. When Fatma asks her about her personal problems, Umm Abdullah tells her that she must not contact the police about the violent husband. "Why should you become a laughing stock in front of the infidels?" she rhetorically asks.

Fatma also went to see the imam at the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque in Copenhagen, better known in Denmark as "Stormoskeen" ["the big mosque"]. Named after the former emir of Qatar and fully sponsored by him, it opened in 2014. The organization behind the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque, the Danish Islamic Council, has claimed that the people who operate the mosque have chosen a moderate interpretation of Islam that is compatible with Danish society.

On camera, the spokesman from the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque confidently assured the journalists from TV2 News that the mosque thoroughly respects Danish laws. He even assured them that women enjoy even better rights than men.

When Fatma spoke to the imam of the Hamad Bin Khalifa mosque, however, and filmed it with a hidden camera, she was given the same answers she had received in all the other mosques: She must not take a job without her husband's permission, and even if her husband continues to beat her, she must not contact the police. This most "moderate" of all the Danish mosques also advocated polygamy, and the right of the husband to his wife's body, even when she might prefer to refuse him.

One of the questions Danes are asking themselves after viewing the documentary, is whether Danish Muslims actually listen to the imams and do what they say. According to a poll conducted in October 2015, 40% of all Danish Muslims believe that the law in Denmark should be based solely on the words of the Quran and 77% believe that the Quran should be followed to the word. Ten years ago, the figure was 62%. The poll showed that 50% of all Danish Muslims pray five times a day; ten years ago, the figure was 37%.

While the working assumption has been that with time, Muslims would become less, not more, religious, these numbers fly in the face of the wish that Muslims might be comfortably assimilated into Danish culture.

Sharia in Denmark - Part II

It will now be obligatory, according to the agreement, for all priests, imams and others who are not part of the Church of Denmark, and who wish to be able to perform weddings -- as well as for foreign preachers who apply for residence permits -- to learn about Danish family law, freedom and democracy. At the end of the course, all will have to sign a statement that they will accept Danish law, including freedom of speech and religion, gender equality, freedom of sexual orientation, non-discrimination and women's rights.

The government will examine how to create more transparency in foreign donations to faith communities in Denmark, including controlling and, if necessary, preventing such donations. As part of this work, on May 4 the government presented a law making it a crime to receive funding from a terror organization to establish or run an institution in Denmark, including schools and mosques.

Another element in the political agreement is the establishment of national lists with the names of traveling foreign (non-EU) religious preachers who will be excluded from entry into Denmark on the grounds that they are a threat to public order in Denmark. These named preachers will not be granted an entry visa and will be denied entry at the border. In addition, a non-public list, containing the names of such preachers who are EU citizens, will be established. The purpose of this list is to create awareness of the existence of these preachers, as, due to EU rules on free movement, they cannot be denied entry.

The final component of the agreement is the criminalization of certain speech. According to the agreement, it will become illegal explicitly to support terrorism, murder, rape, violence, incest, pedophilia, the use of force and polygamy as part of religious training, and whether or not the speech was made in private or in public. Both the activities of religious preachers and the activities of others, who speak as part of religious training, are included in the criminalization.

How enforceable that will be without mass surveillance is obviously unknown.
 

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Everyone should read the article Whiskey posted yesterday in the Foreign policy thread

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New York Magazine's Park MacDougald just published an article titled "Milo Yiannopoulos and the Gay Fascist Sophisticate":

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On Tuesday, Twitter permanently banned the account of Breitbart journalist Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) for violating its “hateful conduct policy.” Milo — he goes by just the single name — was busted for trolling Ghostbusters star Leslie Jones. Although the offending tweets were not unusual by the low standards of Twitter (or of Milo himself), this was not the first time that he had gotten in trouble with the company, and by picking a fight with Jones he made her a target of even worse racist abuse from his followers. That’s the official explanation, at least, although it may give Twitter too much credit for having and enforcing a coherent policy.

Milo may have been one of the most “egregious and consistent offenders of [Twitter’s] terms of service,” but he was also one of the social-media platform’s most skilled manipulators. He established himself as a right-wing celebrity by mastering the arts of calculated provocation and self-promotion, developing a particular talent for loudly violating “politically correct” speech taboos in ways maximally calculated to rally the faithful while baiting his liberal and leftist adversaries into hysterics. A sample headline from directly after the Orlando shooting gives an idea of the genre: THE LEFT CHOSE ISLAM OVER GAYS. NOW OVER 100 PEOPLE ARE KILLED OR MAIMED IN ORLANDO. Its thrust may be abhorrent, but as a headline it’s brilliant — and it plays well on social media.

Milo is also a number of things that most conservative journalists are not. He knows his memes. He calls Donald Trump “Daddy.” He openly affiliates with the neo-monarchists and open racists of the alt-right, which he depicts as a happy-go-lucky band of internet tricksters out to poke fun at liberal pieties for the lulz. He’s gay, too. Fabulously gay. Not the sort of dignified bourgeois gay that the Republican Party has spent years begrudgingly accommodating itself to; no — Milo is a self-described “based faggot” who flirts with racism even as he tweets about his love of “black cock”; he’s the millenial gay best friend who says the most outrageous things: for instance, that gay liberation was a bad idea and it’s time to get back in the closet. With his legions of online followers and savant’s knowledge of Pepe the Frog memes, Milo seems like a singularly contemporary thinker. Yet he has also revived an older trope, which may be more indicative of our current moment: the decadent, gay, fascist sophisticate.

The subject of the gay fascist is, unsurprisingly, a sensitive one. Real-life fascist regimes mercilessly persecuted homosexuals, and any empirical connection between homosexuality and fascism is tenuous, despite what Christian conspiracy theorists and gay contrarians might have you believe. The gay fascist is a real historical figure — for instance, the French critic Robert Brasillach or the SA leader Ernst Röhm — but, more significantly, it’s a cultural trope, familiar from films such as Luchino Visconti’s The Damned and novels such as Jonathan Littell’s The Kindly Ones. In these works of fiction, the gay fascist, who is generally debonair, witty, and well-read, is meant to stand in for the cultural afflictions of the society that produced him: decadence, cynicism, sadism; the narcissism and aestheticism of over-civilization; the worship of death and the loss of hope in the future (associations all courted by Milo with his Twitter name, Nero).

There’s a sort of deconstruction-by-numbers which holds that the gay fascist trope is indicative of irrational fears of “disordered” sexuality, or else is a way for ordinary people to comfort themselves with the belief that fascists were moral and sexual deviants, rather than what they were: ordinary people. Both those things may well be true. But Milo’s ability to reinvent and inhabit the trope suggests something simpler.

In its contemporary usage, “fascism” designates roughly any political ideology to the right of Joe Scarborough. As any college professor or message-board pedant will tell you, that’s a mistake. As an intellectual movement, fascism defined itself against 19th-century European liberalism — which espoused beliefs that 21st-century American liberals might well regard as fascist. It held (with some exceptions) that men were naturally superior to women, whites were superior to blacks, and Saxons and Teutons superior to Latins and Celts. It regarded democracy with contempt.

The point is not that this liberalism was therefore ‘illiberal.’ Rather, it’s that whatever its considerable flaws, this liberalism was in its heyday the ideology of a successful ruling class that was able to provide ever-increasing prosperity, individual autonomy, and social peace to the nations in which it ruled. Fascism is what came after, when the pointless massacre of the First World War, the economic devastation of the 1930s, and the persistent inability to resolve long-simmering social tensions discredited the European elite and its ideas. Reducing fascism to some vague idea of extreme conservatism, which in its American context essentially means angry old white people, misses the sense in which fascism prospered because it was something young, cool, transgressive, and new. For fascist intellectuals, at least, the liberal bourgeoisie was their enemy as much as were communists or Jews, and it was precisely because the bourgeois were old, self-righteous, and boring. Fascism was sexy and fun.

Milo gets this. He’s not the angry, downwardly mobile Iowan that is still the ideal-typical Trump voter. He’s young, he’s smart, he’s good-looking; his entire identity is a mockery of the family-values conservatism that until recently dominated right-wing politics in America. And he’s mastered the art of the exciting transgression. Bigoted views are bigoted views. But it’s also true that a flailing American elite has elevated a corporate-diversity-training version of multiculturalism into one of the primary justifications for its continued rule. (At one point last fall, I attended a function at Brown University — endowment $3.3 billion — at which the keynote speaker closed with: “I’m a queer black survivor, and I’m going to work at Goldman Sachs next year!” The room exploded.) Milo exploits to great effect the perception among his disaffected, youthful fan base that liberal pieties about diversity and anti-racism are just the moralistic droning of an elite losing its grip on power.

Trump’s success has raised among liberals a fear that the far right has made itself respectable. Milo’s success at creating a following for a figure like himself — limited as it might be — suggests that the bigger fear should be that the far right might make itself cool.
 

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New York Magazine's Park MacDougald just published an article titled "Milo Yiannopoulos and the Gay Fascist Sophisticate":

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Both articles start with a lie in the very first paragraph. Whiskey's article states "by picking a fight with Jones [Milo] made her a target of even worse racist abuse from his followers." That's a lie because Milo didn't start anything with Leslie Jones, she started with him. Dublin's article states "[Milo] was just banned from Twitter permanently for sending racist abuse to actor Leslie Jones," another lie. Milo said absolutely nothing racist in the entire exchange, even after it got hostile.

Also, Laurie Penny is one of the most vile human beings on the internet.

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Clay Travis is generally an idiot but his point about the hypocrisy of the NBA playing games in China but not Charlotte is a good one.

I agree in concept, but China isn't our country. The NBA is an American institution. We are guests when we go to other countries and we are going there to spread the image of the NBA. It's completely different than responding to domestic issues. Not playing in China doesn't do anything to respond to their human rights issues, nor does it effect the NBA. Domestic issues have direct implications on their brand within the US. I don't mean this as an endorsement of their decision (although I do agree with it), rather I'm just pointing out that the two situations are apples and oranges in my opinion.
 

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_XF9gqWVkHg

The worst case of police brutality yet. I'm appalled.

A couple of things. First, it's a funny video. But someone in the comments mentioned that it came from a different video.

In that video you see that the sound is edited in (around 25 minutes in). And in the previous 45 seconds, the police had been moving in on the protesters and spraying them liberally with pepper spray. So she seems to be reacting to that. I'm guessing that some of the pepper spray got on the balloon.

Not making a political statement. Just thought it was interesting to note the origin of the video.

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A couple of things. First, it's a funny video. But someone in the comments mentioned that it came from a different video.

In that video you see that the sound is edited in (around 25 minutes in). And in the previous 45 seconds, the police had been moving in on the protesters and spraying them liberally with pepper spray. So she seems to be reacting to that. I'm guessing that some of the pepper spray got on the balloon.

Not making a political statement. Just thought it was interesting to note the origin of the video.

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Cmon. It's way more fun to assume she had a nervous breakdown because her balloon was popped.
 
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