Political Correctness thread

[bkess8]

Would like to hear your thoughts on this. I am in the military so I will hold my thoughts for later.

Army captain allowed to wear beard and turban in uniform

 

[IrishLion]

Would like to hear your thoughts on this. I am in the military so I will hold my thoughts for later.

Army captain allowed to wear beard and turban in uniform

I am not in the military, and will preface this with saying that I have no idea how closely you guys hold the "uniform look" to your hearts as part of being in the military.

But I say that if it doesn't interfere with safety when putting on any special equipment that is going to jeopardize a mission or his fellow soldiers, then let him be. Just make him responsible for keeping his beard clean and neat and make sure his turban is as flawlessly and meticulously folded/placed as the rest of his uniform.

Someone could even work with him on creating a "uniform code" for the proper ratios on the turban folds and whatnot, the same way there are aspects of regular uniforms that must be precise.

 

[GowerND11]

I think it's good. It's a nice balance they struck. The article mentions:

"While assigned or performing non-hazardous duties, you may wear a beard, turban, and uncut hair in a neat and conservative manner that presents a professional and well-groomed appearance,"

As IrishLion says above, as long as he works with the Army to ensure it is up to code in some way I see no harm.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What is the thinking behind the no facial hair rule? Is it related to performance or just uniformity and discipline?

 

[BeauBenken]

Would like to hear your thoughts on this. I am in the military so I will hold my thoughts for later.

Army captain allowed to wear beard and turban in uniform

Pretty much what Lion said.

What is the thinking behind the no facial hair rule? Is it related to performance or just uniformity and discipline?

Not quite sure as we allowed beards in certain branches for quite some time. I believe the no beard policies are a more recent invention for as long as our military has been around.

 

[GoIrish41]

One downside of facial hair is that a standard protective mask cannot be applied with an effective seal, which could put the soldier in peril if there is a chemical or biological threat.

 

[NDohio]

Sorry I missed the school discipline topic yesterday.

Before I was born my dad was a shop teacher and one of his students made him a paddle - how stupid is that?

My wife teaches in a South Carolina high school. One of the things that truly undermines their ability to discipline students is that there are monetary advantages to NOT discipline students. South Carolina has a points system that all school districts must report to the state. If a kid gets an in-school suspension, there are x amount of points attached to that. If a kid gets a 3 day suspension, there are xx amount of points attached to that. If a kid is expelled... Well, the state rewards those districts that have the lower point totals with more state funding and the higher point totals get a lower amount of funding. It is the most insane thing I have ever heard.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What is the thinking behind the no facial hair rule? Is it related to performance or just uniformity and discipline?

Pretty sure it started in World War I with the gas masks.

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[GoIrish41]

Sorry I missed the school discipline topic yesterday.

Before I was born my dad was a shop teacher and one of his students made him a paddle - how stupid is that?

My wife teaches in a South Carolina high school. One of the things that truly undermines their ability to discipline students is that there are monetary advantages to NOT discipline students. South Carolina has a points system that all school districts must report to the state. If a kid gets an in-school suspension, there are x amount of points attached to that. If a kid gets a 3 day suspension, there are xx amount of points attached to that. If a kid is expelled... Well, the state rewards those districts that have the lower point totals with more state funding and the higher point totals get a lower amount of funding. It is the most insane thing I have ever heard.

Man, that point system seems irresponsible and counterproductive.

 

[wizards8507]

Gap Ad 'Racist' for Having White Model Lean on Black Model

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I feel sooooooooo sorry for white guys. They just have it incredibly rough. You've convinced me - I'd much rather be Black or Latino than Anglo - they get ALL the breaks without having to face any racism. After all, we're just "fashionable minorities" to you - the REAL victims are the white dudes.

#makeAmericaWhiteagain

This is the thread in a nutshell.

Several are given credit for the following quote, but I like to credit it to The Coach :

Most men, when they think they are thinking, are merely rearranging their prejudices.
Knute Rockne

And of course this chestnut :

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
George S. Patton

NDinLA has a brilliant point, which is fraught with irony.

White males, who have been entitled by generations of social approval, privilege, and deference by every other racial/ethnic, and the opposite gender, are the most entitled group in America today. It isn't the youth, ill behaved or not. It isn't young woman who rebel against stereotypes, or unsolicited sexual advances, they are all outweighed by those that think they have a right to judge others thoughts or actions, and expect others to see things their way with no compromise.

These same white men that have been born into such social privilege tend to whine loudest, kick, moan, and call others names (label others and their actions) the quickest when they are confronted with resistance, or those who behave differently.

Frankly in this thread I have seen a handful of situations that are actually anything of substance, and as pointed out some of them are years old. However, look at the rape, child abuse, domestic abuse, murder, and rates of murder among pregnant women and domestic abuse victims that try to remove themselves from their abusive environments.

Also, look at sexual harassment. Granted, it is perpetrated by those in power, almost exclusively, but the number of men outnumber women, by a significant margin, like ten to fifty times.

I also found the picture from the add by GAP previously, offensive for a different reason. I would ask the dumb asses that thought up that campaign two questions; 'Why would you even think 'girls' couldn't do anything they wanted?' 'And even if you thought it, why would you stigmatize a whole gender by asking a question that implies for some reason they can't, or haven't?'

Finally another quote which explains both the mechanism at work, and the passion with which I rail against this whole set of behaviors :

There is tremendous evil in this world; and it impacts us all. The biggest threat isn’t from supernatural beings tempting and misleading us, using us as the center stage in a universal battle of morality .

It isn't from black-hearted individuals we all come across in our daily lives. Nor is it from an indifferent universe, that twists and mangles us because of our insignificance.

It is comes from within, from an individual’s self-imposed inability to change, when change is needed. It is as simple as suffering the absence of love and life, because of self-imprisonment of the psyche, caused by being unable to admit the truth and responsibly adapt.
me

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Gap Ad 'Racist' for Having White Model Lean on Black Model

Already posted

 

[IrishLax]

Two problems with your logic (well besides the obvious one).
1. Most people don't apply to all of the Ivy League Schools. So the pool from which the sample size is drawn is by no means representative of the population (and probably skew towards people who are borderline or who see it as an accomplishment or their parents/admissions counselors see it as an accomplishment). Also you are assuming that the only people who get into all 8 broadcast it. It is very possible that there are more out there that do not advertise it.

Yeah, I want to put on my elitist hat for a second and address this because I can't believe we're even talking about NDGradStudent's point anymore as it's a logical non-starter.

The truth is that there are hundreds of people that COULD get in to all 8 Ivy League schools... but they don't apply to all of them, because short of wanting some narcissistic feather in your cap there is no point to. I went to a public high school where we had literally dozens of students admitted Ivies each year. The average SAT score at our school was comparable to the average SAT score at Harvard, so everyone was well versed in the admissions game. If you can get into all of the Big 3, then admission to the others comes by default. But most people back then only applied to 4-6 schools, and those that applied to 8-12 usually were doing 4-5 Ivies + Stanford/MIT/Williams/whatever fit their interests outside of that.

So the sample size of kids getting in to "all 8 Ivies" has historically been almost non-existent, and is therefor meritless as a discussion point. However, now that people are getting articles written about them (and I don't know how much easier it is these days to just "shotgun blast" a bunch of applications), I wonder if that's going to inspire more self-indulgent millennials and their parents to apply to all 8 for the "accomplishment."

 

[NDohio]

Yeah, I want to put on my elitist hat for a second and address this because I can't believe we're even talking about NDGradStudent's point anymore as it's a logical non-starter.

The truth is that there are hundreds of people that COULD get in to all 8 Ivy League schools... but they don't apply to all of them, because short of wanting some narcissistic feather in your cap there is no point to. I went to a public high school where we had literally dozens of students admitted Ivies each year. The average SAT score at our school was comparable to the average SAT score at Harvard, so everyone was well versed in the admissions game. If you can get into all of the Big 3, then admission to the others comes by default. But most people back then only applied to 4-6 schools, and those that applied to 8-12 usually were doing 4-5 Ivies + Stanford/MIT/Williams/whatever fit their interests outside of that.

So the sample size of kids getting in to "all 8 Ivies" has historically been almost non-existent, and is therefor meritless as a discussion point. However, now that people are getting articles written about them (and I don't know how much easier it is these days to just "shotgun blast" a bunch of applications), I wonder if that's going to inspire more self-indulgent millennials and their parents to apply to all 8 for the "accomplishment."

Wait, you are saying that the average SAT score at your high school was equivalent to the average SAT score at Harvard?

 

[IrishLax]

Wait, you are saying that the average SAT score at your high school was equivalent to the average SAT score at Harvard?

Yeah, I believe it was actually a couple points higher when I was there. Now it's a couple points lower, but my school still going #skrong. When I was there, out of 400 kids in my class I think we had 200-250 National Merit Scholars.

Smartest public high schools in America - Business Insider -- scroll to the very bottom.

 

[CoachB]

1st amendment

1st amendment

The biggest concern I have for the future of American is this trend of limiting free speech. It is extremely concerning that things that were open discussion and banter 10 years ago are now being labeled hate speech, and being shot down with no avenue for conversation and learning. Now supposedly if you are for Biblical marriage you are anti-gay. If you are for Christianity you are anti-muslim. If you are for freedom of speech, you are hateful. When did we start to become so full of hate and fear in our society that we shoot down people that have a different opinion than us and say they are the ones full of hate and fear? What happened to rational dialogue where we allow people to speak their opinions without fear of retribution? Since when are we so weak in our beliefs that we don't allow others to share theirs? If you truly have conviction, other opinions should not frighten you, but possibly open a door to enlightenment. The message we should be spreading is one of love for each other, regardless of their opinions. The challenge is to create unity, not division. To find common ground, not looking for differences. Then we can accept that you might not believe what I believe, and that's ok. I won't love you any less. Ok, rant over.

 

[GoIrish41]

The biggest concern I have for the future of American is this trend of limiting free speech. It is extremely concerning that things that were open discussion and banter 10 years ago are now being labeled hate speech, and being shot down with no avenue for conversation and learning. Now supposedly if you are for Biblical marriage you are anti-gay. If you are for Christianity you are anti-muslim. If you are for freedom of speech, you are hateful. When did we start to become so full of hate and fear in our society that we shoot down people that have a different opinion than us and say they are the ones full of hate and fear? What happened to rational dialogue where we allow people to speak their opinions without fear of retribution? Since when are we so weak in our beliefs that we don't allow others to share theirs? If you truly have conviction, other opinions should not frighten you, but possibly open a door to enlightenment. The message we should be spreading is one of love for each other, regardless of their opinions. The challenge is to create unity, not division. To find common ground, not looking for differences. Then we can accept that you might not believe what I believe, and that's ok. I won't love you any less. Ok, rant over.

Coincides with the rise of social media?

 

[NDohio]

Yeah, I believe it was actually a couple points higher when I was there. Now it's a couple points lower, but my school still going #skrong. When I was there, out of 400 kids in my class I think we had 200-250 National Merit Scholars.

Smartest public high schools in America - Business Insider -- scroll to the very bottom.

That is pretty amazing for a public school to have that kind of success. Kudos to that community and school.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Coincides with the rise of social media?

there is research on this (thought I posted it in the thread). Essentially, the research highlighted that the rise of this is due, in part, to social media. The ability to shame, rant, blog, etc in a public forum (sometimes posting fiction) allows people to perceive the problems are more widespread than what they statistically are. Additionally, creating social mobs prevents dialogue that often teaches the individual(s) about the views of the other party. Essentially, it stops the learning.

 

[ACamp1900]

My school wasn't even allowed to take the SAT... top THAT!

 

[Bishop2b5]

The biggest concern I have for the future of American is this trend of limiting free speech. It is extremely concerning that things that were open discussion and banter 10 years ago are now being labeled hate speech, and being shot down with no avenue for conversation and learning. Now supposedly if you are for Biblical marriage you are anti-gay. If you are for Christianity you are anti-muslim. If you are for freedom of speech, you are hateful. When did we start to become so full of hate and fear in our society that we shoot down people that have a different opinion than us and say they are the ones full of hate and fear? What happened to rational dialogue where we allow people to speak their opinions without fear of retribution? Since when are we so weak in our beliefs that we don't allow others to share theirs? If you truly have conviction, other opinions should not frighten you, but possibly open a door to enlightenment. The message we should be spreading is one of love for each other, regardless of their opinions. The challenge is to create unity, not division. To find common ground, not looking for differences. Then we can accept that you might not believe what I believe, and that's ok. I won't love you any less. Ok, rant over.

Much of it stems from kids being taught what to think instead of how to think. School has become more about indoctrinating kids with a particular ideology and instilling in them a belief that said ideology is absolutely true and not to be questioned, let alone disagreed with, instead of teaching them how to examine all the facts, think rationally, and winnow the wheat from the chaff. Anyone who questions any of the favored ideology or offers other points of view are to shouted down, punished, ostracized, privileges taken away, their reputations destroyed, and treated as heretics. It's the same approach as what has been used by oppressive political regimes or religious groups to force everyone to conform to their philosophy. It's a bad mix of mob rule and groupthink. History has shown it to be a dangerous, intellectually stifling, oppressive approach that doesn't work out well for anyone in the long run.

 

[woolybug25]

My school wasn't even allowed to take the SAT... top THAT!

Mine wasn't either. We took the ACT.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Germany investigates comedian over satirical poem about Erdogan | Reuters

Daily reminder of what PC out of control looks like

 

[ACamp1900]

Mine wasn't either. We took the ACT.

Most of my school didn't have enough teeth to even warrant a mouthwash test.....

 

[NDgradstudent]

Two problems with your logic (well besides the obvious one).
1. Most people don't apply to all of the Ivy League Schools. So the pool from which the sample size is drawn is by no means representative of the population (and probably skew towards people who are borderline or who see it as an accomplishment or their parents/admissions counselors see it as an accomplishment). Also you are assuming that the only people who get into all 8 broadcast it. It is very possible that there are more out there that do not advertise it.

2. Here is an article from last year. The students who got into ALL EIGHT Ivy League schools make their decisions | Daily Mail Online
Eight people got into all 8 (well that broadcasted it, who knows if there was more), 1 of them is from Bulgaria (EU) and one is from India. Care to explain?

Something that they all have in common though is that they are the children of immigrants.

I noticed that there were no (East) Asians among that group. Maybe they aren't broadcasting it. Maybe there aren't as many as there should be. Colleges have all sorts of standards for what is sufficient "diversity"; immigrants are probably included in the group.

You prefer to deny that preferences play a role, I guess, unless you are given indisputable proof in a particular case. I don't need such proof. Anyone who supports affirmative action would rather not know about the role preferences actually play (until of course it comes time to defend them in court).

Yeah, I want to put on my elitist hat for a second and address this because I can't believe we're even talking about NDGradStudent's point anymore as it's a logical non-starter.

The truth is that there are hundreds of people that COULD get in to all 8 Ivy League schools... but they don't apply to all of them, because short of wanting some narcissistic feather in your cap there is no point to. I went to a public high school where we had literally dozens of students admitted Ivies each year. The average SAT score at our school was comparable to the average SAT score at Harvard, so everyone was well versed in the admissions game. If you can get into all of the Big 3, then admission to the others comes by default. But most people back then only applied to 4-6 schools, and those that applied to 8-12 usually were doing 4-5 Ivies + Stanford/MIT/Williams/whatever fit their interests outside of that.

So it sounds like you are saying that racial minorities who benefit from affirmative action are much more likely to apply to all of the Ivy League schools. Could this be because they know that they have a greatly increased chance of admission?

And are you further saying that assuming affirmative action played a critical role in someone's admission is unwarranted? We might as well stop talking about the issue, then, because anyone can declare that "you don't know" how big of a role affirmative action played. The problem is that an abundance of statistical evidence indicates that it plays a large role in undergraduate, law school, and medical school admission. It plays a large role in grad school admissions as well, with many fields having effective female quotas, but that data is of interest to far fewer people and is hard to obtain.

I'd love to see data on everyone admitted to all of the Ivies. And then that data can be compared with the data on everyone who applied to all of the Ivies. You don't really think the portion of Asians and whites in the former group would be bigger than the latter?

 

[connor_in]

My school wasn't even allowed to take the SAT... top THAT!

DIRT!!! YOU HAD DIRT????

Go to about 3:25 of this...PS: NSFW


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[IrishLax]

So it sounds like you are saying that racial minorities who benefit from affirmative action are much more likely to apply to all of the Ivy League schools. Could this be because they know that they have a greatly increased chance of admission?

What? No. Like how on earth can you read what I said and come to that conclusion?

My point was simply affirming what pkt was saying about it being too small of a sample to even warrant discussion... because only an inconsequentially small amount of kids apply to all 8 Ivies, and there is an overwhelmingly large population of kids that COULD get in to all of the Ivies that simply don't bother trying to.

If the sample is weirdly small and self-selecting, then it doesn't warrant discussion. It's that simple.

And are you further saying that assuming affirmative action played a critical role in someone's admission is unwarranted? We might as well stop talking about the issue, then, because anyone can declare that "you don't know" how big of a role affirmative action played. The problem is that an abundance of statistical evidence indicates that it plays a large role in undergraduate, law school, and medical school admission. It plays a large role in grad school admissions as well, with many fields having effective female quotas, but that data is of interest to far fewer people and is hard to obtain.

...no. What? You're bad at reading.

I'd love to see data on everyone admitted to all of the Ivies. And then that data can be compared with the data on everyone who applied to all of the Ivies. You don't really think the portion of Asians and whites in the former group would be bigger than the latter?

Why? That's what you're not grasping. The bolded subset of people is just completely irrelevant to the larger discussion of affirmative action. How is this complicated?

For example, there were two people in my graduating class (real people, not hypothetical) that in addition to being smart were really good at crew. Like REALLY good. One rowed at Princeton, one rowed at Yale. Both were highly sought after... they could've gotten in to every single Ivy without breaking a sweat. But they didn't because it was a waste of time to apply to all 8 if they were only interested in a couple of them.

And this is the boat that most students fall into. If you think you're Big 3 material, you usually apply to the Big 3 + Stanford + a backup Ivy or two that you know you're a shoe-in for (Brown, Cornell, etc.). NOT ALL 8.

Hell, my Habitat for Humanity co-president applied to 11 schools (ended up at Stanford) and in that massive shotgun blast he still didn't apply to all 8 Ivies. NOBODY APPLIES TO ALL 8 IVIES... unless there is something wrong with you.

So even asking the question "I'd love to see the data on every person admitted to all of the Ivies" shows you fundamentally don't get it, and don't understand why your query in completely worthless.

A much better discussion point, if I was going to make your argument for you, would be to focus strictly on medical school admissions relative to race/MCAT scores. The affirmative action there is jarring. But I don't want to make your argument for you, I just want to point out why talking about kids admitted to all 8 Ivies as if that measures something is really fucking stupid.

 

[Legacy]

This is the thread in a nutshell.

I feel sooooooooo sorry for white guys. They just have it incredibly rough. You've convinced me - I'd much rather be Black or Latino than Anglo - they get ALL the breaks without having to face any racism. After all, we're just "fashionable minorities" to you - the REAL victims are the white dudes.

#makeAmericaWhiteagain

Several are given credit for the following quote, but I like to credit it to The Coach :

Most men, when they think they are thinking, are merely rearranging their prejudices.
Knute Rockne

And of course this chestnut :

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.
George S. Patton

NDinLA has a brilliant point, which is fraught with irony.

White males, who have been entitled by generations of social approval, privilege, and deference by every other racial/ethnic, and the opposite gender, are the most entitled group in America today. It isn't the youth, ill behaved or not. It isn't young woman who rebel against stereotypes, or unsolicited sexual advances, they are all outweighed by those that think they have a right to judge others thoughts or actions, and expect others to see things their way with no compromise.

These same white men that have been born into such social privilege tend to whine loudest, kick, moan, and call others names (label others and their actions) the quickest when they are confronted with resistance, or those who behave differently.

Frankly in this thread I have seen a handful of situations that are actually anything of substance, and as pointed out some of them are years old. However, look at the rape, child abuse, domestic abuse, murder, and rates of murder among pregnant women and domestic abuse victims that try to remove themselves from their abusive environments.

Also, look at sexual harassment. Granted, it is perpetrated by those in power, almost exclusively, but the number of men outnumber women, by a significant margin, like ten to fifty times.

I also found the picture from the add by GAP previously, offensive for a different reason. I would ask the dumb asses that thought up that campaign two questions; 'Why would you even think 'girls' couldn't do anything they wanted?' 'And even if you thought it, why would you stigmatize a whole gender by asking a question that implies for some reason they can't, or haven't?'

Finally another quote which explains both the mechanism at work, and the passion with which I rail against this whole set of behaviors :

I know of a young woman, quiet, unassuming, dedicated, hard-working, and kind. She is an immigrant who waited for years to come to this country, which she considers the best in the world, which will provide her and her family with the security of good jobs and freedom from persecution. She is in a health care class with other students from many other countries, which has been established for her and other immigrants who have English as a second language, including a female and former physician from Cuba, as well as students from Somalia, Latin America and other less developed countries. They all are eager to learn, starting from what we think of as nothing in America. This young woman also works a job where she is taken advantage of in being told they do not need her for a couple of hours. But she does not and cannot complain since she is the sole support for her mother, who speaks minimal English, and her younger brother, who is in high school. He has had to change schools due to being beaten up by a classmate who focused on him - but that other boy followed him and continued to beat him up despite her brother not defending himself. He believes violence serves no purpose and will take the beating. The young woman and her family have some assistance from a local Protestant organization, which will end in a month, to navigate them through our society to help them understand and to set them on the road to fulfilling their dreams. For her, she would like to become a doctor, and realizes the road is long, arduous and full of challenges, to which she will dedicate herself. Her place of worship has been firebombed without much damage done, but the blackened area is a reminder to all each day their small community comes together. She was carpooling, since they do not have a car, but the driver lost their car. (We had a Bulgarian neighbor who was sold a car that quit running soon after it was bought from an employer.) The young woman would then be willing to walk some distance until she could get to a local bus at the end of the night class. But teachers, who did not want her to walk alone, at night, in her hijab, intervened to provide her with a rides home. Their family will never see her older brother, who lives in Iran, and would never be able to get a visa here, while they could never travel there without fear of never returning to the U.S. She was not herself one night and, as it turned out, her best friend, who had crossed the Afgan-Pakistan border on one step to get to the U.S., had her children lured out with promises of candy if they were children of policemen and were shot. Their father was not a policeman.

Each immigrant has their story. Hers may never be known when she applies to schools for higher education, but I have no doubt she will succeed. The world has 60 million refugees now, seeking a better life if they cannot return to a homeland and help rebuild if the violence has gone. She believes in the opportunity for a better life if she works at it for her and for her family - God-willing. She may be minority based on her religion or her country of origin and have encountered obstacles that she did not expect. But she is willing to endure the hardship and occasional hatred, because she has grown up in a family that loved and hoped.

 

[Ndaccountant]

SIAP.....

Under this fallacy, the British government in 2001 introduced a series of restrictive speech codes that criminalized criticism of Islam, followed by a Racial and Religious Hatred Bill imposing fines and even imprisonment for speech that “incited hatred against a person for their religious or racial background.”

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In this context and political climate, with racism conflated with religion – one specific religion – it is easy to see how government and public service employees would fear professional and legal repercussions (up to seven years in prison) merely for speaking up about criminal behavior by Muslims who justify their actions citing the Koran. In this way, teachers, police, child care workers, government officials and others have been silent about the growing menace of Muslim gangs who sexually groom and exploit children in the UK.

In his riveting book, Easy Meat: Inside Britain’s Grooming Gang Scandal (World Encounter Institute/New English Review Press, 2016. 328 pp., $17.20) author Peter McLoughlin explains how multiculturalism-inspired political correctness along with its companion, willful blindness concerning Islamic doctrine, has jeopardized the safety and well-being of children. McLoughlin posits that, since 1988, this nationwide sexploitation has resulted in the shattering of lives of between 100,000 to 1 million girls. The author documents how the fear of being deemed racist and facing criminal charges, dismissal or even threats of violence, has led to suppression of information and a stunning lack of intervention on behalf of young victims. In essence, an extensive, insidious operation that targets children for sexual grooming and enslavement has been covered up because of political correctness and fear of Muslim retribution.

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The author reports that police routinely dismiss parents’ concerns and have failed to set up surveillance operations at strategically significant locations. Police have even arrested parents for trying to save their children. In one such case, fathers, who were able to track down their daughters and tried to rescue them were arrested by police. In fact, McLoughlin discloses that law enforcement officers have actually returned wayward girls to their pimps.

McLoughlin reveals that local authorities – social workers, teachers’ unions, educational organizations and childcare agencies – have made no effort to intervene or draw public attention to the pervasive threat. He submits that feared charges of racism preclude their mandated responsibility for the protection of children. In fact, the author reports how major teachers' unions are behind an organization – Unite Against Fascism – that blocks the publicizing of the sex grooming gang phenomenon and its Muslim community participation.

Articles: A Look Inside Britain's Muslim Sex Grooming Gang Scandal

 

[NDgradstudent]

If you think you're Big 3 material, you usually apply to the Big 3 + Stanford + a backup Ivy or two that you know you're a shoe-in for (Brown, Cornell, etc.). NOT ALL 8.

Hell, my Habitat for Humanity co-president applied to 11 schools (ended up at Stanford) and in that massive shotgun blast he still didn't apply to all 8 Ivies. NOBODY APPLIES TO ALL 8 IVIES... unless there is something wrong with you.

So even asking the question "I'd love to see the data on every person admitted to all of the Ivies" shows you fundamentally don't get it, and don't understand why your query in completely worthless.

I guess there are lots of people for whom something is 'wrong,' because there are obviously plenty who do apply to all of the Ivies. My point is there is not a single white or Asian person among the entire group of people admitted to all the Ivies who get media attention. This is of course never noted by the media reports, nor that it takes spots away from other people who are probably more qualified. The media reports it as if it some amazing feat. It would only be an amazing feat if it were done by an Asian person.

A much better discussion point, if I was going to make your argument for you, would be to focus strictly on medical school admissions relative to race/MCAT scores. The affirmative action there is jarring. But I don't want to make your argument for you, I just want to point out why talking about kids admitted to all 8 Ivies as if that measures something is really fucking stupid.

This was one example in my argument, it hardly forms the core of it. The data I've presented and linked to forms the core of it. On the other hand, if you really think this anecdotal evidence measures nothing, I'm not sure what to say. It stands to reason that if affirmative action is practiced in all of the Ivies (it is) it will be reflected in who gets admitted to all of them.