Political Correctness thread

[ACamp1900]

I walked to school every day of my young life... zero chance whatsoever I'd let my kids so do... just me.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I walked to school every day of my young life... zero chance whatsoever I'd let my kids so do... just me.

Where did you live/ do you live now? Suburb or city?

 

[ACamp1900]

Where did you live/ do you live now? Suburb or city?

I live in the same basic part of So Cal...

 

[woolybug25]

I live in the same basic part of So Cal...

What has changed in the last 20 years that makes you afraid to do so?

 

[Bishop2b5]

I remember teens driving school buses back in my day. Seems crazy now to think of turning a bus load of kids over to an inexperienced 17-year-old, but it was normal 40 years ago. The one who drove my bus when I was a kid put a stereo system in it. A minor hit of that day, a song about a kid dying in a car wreck called DOA, had sirens in it. Every time the song came on he'd stop the bus thinking the cops were pulling him over, much to our amusement.

 

[connor_in]

Acouple of things to go with this "school today vs in the past"...

...my wife is a teacher, so I can identify somewhat with those speaking with experience from the educators side

...in my schools in the 80's, the teachers did not have paddles, but the vice principal did, and used it

...my kid is in elementary school and they have played dodgeball in PE

...my wife says that this is one of the most accurate cartoons she has seen:

But you can even replace the 1960 or 1969 with 1980's and it was still mostly the same

 

[IrishLion]

I remember teens driving school buses back in my day. Seems crazy now to think of turning a bus load of kids over to an inexperienced 17-year-old, but it was normal 40 years ago. The one who drove my bus when I was a kid put a stereo system in it. A minor hit of that day, a song about a kid dying in a car wreck called DOA, had sirens in it. Every time the song came on he'd stop the bus thinking the cops were pulling him over, much to our amusement.

I had a school bus driver once that was the sweetest, most badass old lady in the world. She pimped her bus out. She put a stereo in, installed ceiling fans every fourth seat to sit over our heads, and put LED strips in the keep the bus lit up in the morning in the winter. She'd always tell us what her new project was "for you guys to enjoy!"

I remember her throwing the bus into park and putting the "stop sign" out on several occasions to break up fights. She was this tiny, very old lady that couldn't have been over 5' tall, and was always in the best mood, but one time she charged down the isle, picked up two kids off the floor by their shirts, and carried them to separate seats up front. I appreciated it, and I was only 11 or 12 at the time.

She sent home "field trip" slips to our parents in envelopes one time, but wouldn't let us open them. Then, one Friday afternoon, before she took anybody home, she hit the McDonald's "drive-thru" (she parked the bus in the parking lot) and the workers brought out like 30 kids' meals.

What a cool lady.

 

[NorthDakota]

I had a school bus driver once that was the sweetest, most badass old lady in the world. She pimped her bus out. She put a stereo in, installed ceiling fans every fourth seat to sit over our heads, and put LED strips in the keep the bus lit up in the morning in the winter. She'd always tell us what her new project was "for you guys to enjoy!"

I remember her throwing the bus into park and putting the "stop sign" out on several occasions to break up fights. She was this tiny, very old lady that couldn't have been over 5' tall, and was always in the best mood, but one time she charged down the isle, picked up two kids off the floor by their shirts, and carried them to separate seats up front. I appreciated it, and I was only 11 or 12 at the time.

She sent home "field trip" slips to our parents in envelopes one time, but wouldn't let us open them. Then, one Friday afternoon, before she took anybody home, she hit the McDonald's "drive-thru" (she parked the bus in the parking lot) and the workers brought out like 30 kids' meals.

What a cool lady.

What a boss. I'd go visit her in a nursing home any day.

 

[ACamp1900]

What has changed in the last 20 years that makes you afraid to do so?

You became an adult....

 

[woolybug25]

You became an adult....

That's questionable.

 

[IrishLion]

What a boss. I'd go visit her in a nursing home any day.

Yeah, I wish I knew what became of her. Me and a friend of mine talk about her all the time. If I only I had known when I was younger that I should've stayed in touch.

 

[ACamp1900]

In college we had a 24/7 Denny's in a terrible part of town that had this older waitress we all quickly befriended... she worked the midnight shift and just simply had no more F's left to give... she let us take home the karaffe's they put the OJ in... she'd give us double orders no charge... she was amazing. This kept on like 2-3 times a week for like two full academic years... then they closed that particular Denny's for remodeling and we just never went back when it reopened... I drive by it every now and then... I too wish I knew what became of her.

 

[pkt77242]

In college we had a 24/7 Denny's in a terrible part of town that had this older waitress we all quickly befriended... she worked the midnight shift and just simply had no more F's left to give... she let us take home the giraffe's they put the OJ in... she'd give us double orders no charge... she was amazing. This kept on like 2-3 times a week for like two full academic years... then they closed that particular Denny's for remodeling and we just never went back when it reopened... I drive by it every now and then... I too wish I knew what became of her.

Drinking OJ from giraffes, that is sick.

 

[ACamp1900]

Drinking OJ from giraffes, that is sick.

good catch...

 

[phgreek]

I don't know if bringing back the "Board of Education" is even worth discussing as that thing is never coming back regardless...

I do feel some level of disciplinary authority needs to be given back to the schools as more and more students are realizing the schools/teachers etc. really have very little they can actually do during extreme cases and some are beginning to act on that knowledge. I worked with a teacher who was fired after he stopped a fight where one child was beating another, much smaller, child to the point where the child receiving the action was in serious danger. The teacher pulled the aggressor away and pinned him down (This was a BIG kid)... the parent of the aggressor went ape shit and long to short, gone.

All kinds of differing ideas out there, I don't see much changing...

Ah yes...The board...knew it well. When I was in high school, most of the teachers had them...you'd generally get a choice...you could go to the office, or take a "shot" from the board. I always took the shot. And you could sign the "board" after...Beat the heck out of my dad finding out I did X in class...seemed like a way fair deal to me. The women teachers didn't really do it..shrug. When I got tossed, the vice principal always intercepted, and made me freaking run with him...sucky thing was we'd run near my house, so invariably one of my parents would drive by and see me...so that deal never really worked out for me...got the punishment, and my parents found out...but, I liked the guy, so the conversations were always good....

My teachers had control...no question. And, I can remember when a kid went overboard, swore at a teacher or raised their voice, we'd shut him down ourselves.

I look back, and I mean, I wasn't a bad kid...got good grades, would get nailed for trying to talk to a girl, or falling asleep...throwing something at someone, and the occasional off color comment...and I'd get a shot. It wasn't that it really stopped me...it was a reminder that if I engaged in any real shit, someone would notice, and the hammer would fall.

Now...meh, I'm sure teachers are better equipped to control things without the "Board"...but I'm not sure they get the trust and support to do it even if they had the "the board".

All I can tell ya is, my dad was like the first one in line to sign the paper that said they could crack my ass...and they did...and I earned every one. I had great relationships with my teachers...loved them all, got good grades, scored well on SATs...they did their job... Wouldn't change a thing.

 

[kmoose]

Some posters mentioned earlier in the thread how kids don't get paddled in school anymore. I would like to talk about that. Do some of you think that teachers should be allowed to do so?

I am adamently against it. There is zero reasoning I see for letting strangers beat my kid. I don't care if it's just a paddle or a spanking. I also think it's wrong for government to decide that physical punishment can be a decision somebody other than a parent can decide.

This was still around when my brother was in school and he was paddled in front of his entire class by a creepy teacher that prominently displayed his paddle (which he painted and named, the sadistic bastard) for all to see. He was proud of it and felt entitled to use it at his discretion.

He hit my brother one time with it. He came home, told my dad, and my father immediately went down to talk to him about it. After the teacher made it clear that he felt that he could paddle my brother if he chose, my father informed him that if that paddle ever touched my brother again... then the next person it touched would be the teacher himself.

My brother was never paddled by that teacher again. He was also fired years later after hitting a kid with it across the back when he tried to run from him.

I can appreciate your view on this, but I will say that, when I went to High School (class of '86), teachers were not allowed to paddle students. But students did sometimes get paddled; by the Vice Principal. Maybe our Vice Principal was an outlier that used good judgement and was universally respected by adults, or maybe parenting was just different then: But I don't recall a single complaint (from parents/adults) about it. I do recall many of my friends declining to participate in one caper or another, for fear of ending up on the business end of Mr. Vlad's paddle.

 

[GoIrish41]

I can appreciate your view on this, but I will say that, when I went to High School (class of '86), teachers were not allowed to paddle students. But students did sometimes get paddled; by the Vice Principal. Maybe our Vice Principal was an outlier that used good judgement and was universally respected by adults, or maybe parenting was just different then: But I don't recall a single complaint (from parents/adults) about it. I do recall many of my friends declining to participate in one caper or another, for fear of ending up on the business end of Mr. Vlad's paddle.

Vlad. Lol

 

[woolybug25]

I can appreciate your view on this, but I will say that, when I went to High School (class of '86), teachers were not allowed to paddle students. But students did sometimes get paddled; by the Vice Principal. Maybe our Vice Principal was an outlier that used good judgement and was universally respected by adults, or maybe parenting was just different then: But I don't recall a single complaint (from parents/adults) about it. I do recall many of my friends declining to participate in one caper or another, for fear of ending up on the business end of Mr. Vlad's paddle.

The dude was named "Mr Vlad"?... and he was the one in charge of beating kids?

What kind of horror movie high school did you go to?

Explains a lot, moose.... explains a lot....

 

[NDRock]

They still paddle here in East Tennessee with parent's approval. Seems insane to me to paddle a 16 or 17 year old. I know at that age I would have preferred a little physical pain to detention or suspension. I grew up in Florida (graduated H.S. In 94 and we didn't paddle there).

Not really sure if I would want my kids paddled at school. Neither have ever been in trouble so it' s a moot point so far. I'd probably prefer to do any spanking myself.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Corporal punishment in schools is absolutely unacceptable. I'm against it at any age, but my child isn't old enough to actively disobey me, so maybe I'll change my tune. That said, research has also shown it to be ineffective and generally teaches children that violence is a cool way to solve problems.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I had the aggressor in one of my rotation periods. It was a constant dark cloud of stress hanging over me at all times when he was in my classroom even before the incident I described.

Very happy to have moved on from that environment. I can say it may just be the fact that I worked in a very depressed/underprivileged district... Hollywood and Jayhawk are both still teachers (I believe) and I don't get the sense that they deal or have dealt with the same culture(s).

I'm in higher ed now, but I spent and spend a lot of time in public schools. I haven't ever dealt with REALLY difficult situations like you have.

 

[IrishLax]

Corporal punishment in schools is absolutely unacceptable. I'm against it at any age, but my child isn't old enough to actively disobey me, so maybe I'll change my tune. That said, research has also shown it to be ineffective and generally teaches children that violence is a cool way to solve problems.

Is it not?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Is it not?

I mean...it's cool.

But it's probably not the way to go.

 

[BGIF]

Drinking OJ from giraffes, that is sick.

Aaron always was a Long Neck guy.

 

[pkt77242]

The assumption is definitely warranted, given the considerable and well-established role that racial preference plays in college admissions. When was the last time you heard of an Asian or non-Hispanic white student getting into all of the Ivy League schools? They must all be unqualified. Or, they do not enjoy preferences- and, in the case of Asians, are subject to reverse discrimination.

Two problems with your logic (well besides the obvious one).
1. Most people don't apply to all of the Ivy League Schools. So the pool from which the sample size is drawn is by no means representative of the population (and probably skew towards people who are borderline or who see it as an accomplishment or their parents/admissions counselors see it as an accomplishment). Also you are assuming that the only people who get into all 8 broadcast it. It is very possible that there are more out there that do not advertise it.

2. Here is an article from last year. The students who got into ALL EIGHT Ivy League schools make their decisions | Daily Mail Online
Eight people got into all 8 (well that broadcasted it, who knows if there was more), 1 of them is from Bulgaria (EU) and one is from India. Care to explain?

Something that they all have in common though is that they are the children of immigrants.

 

[Legacy]

A Texas Candidate Pushes the Boundary of the Far Right

Controversial Texas Education Board Candidate Retaliates Against Breitbart Reporter

Bruner since unloaded on another reporter on Facebook. She wrote, in part: “It is important that reporters state their biases. For instance, you could say at the beginning of your blog that you are a Democrat and you do not like people who have politically incorrect conservative ideas.”

Meet the Science- and Muslim-Hating Conspiracy Theorist Running for the Texas Board of Education (Her FB postings)

What is politically incorrect in Texas?

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]

The dude was named "Mr Vlad"?... and he was the one in charge of beating kids?

What kind of horror movie high school did you go to?

Explains a lot, moose.... explains a lot....

I stated earlier that our teachers didn't paddle but our vice principal did, for Halloween he would come in dressed as Freddy Kruger...not kidding

 

[GowerND11]

I teach in a juvenile facility here in PA. All of those who work within the system (state staff, teachers, secretaries, etc.) must be trained yearly in SCM (Safety Crisis Management). Now obviously we deal with a different kind of student on an hourly basis compared to a normal public school, but these kids are in regular schools too.

I know some public schools in the state require this training, especially for their special education teachers. I think this is a good first step for teachers when we are dealing with violence in our schools as mentioned earlier in the thread.

https://www.safecrisismanagement.com/get-scm-certified.aspx

 

[GoIrish41]

A Texas Candidate Pushes the Boundary of the Far Right

Controversial Texas Education Board Candidate Retaliates Against Breitbart Reporter


Meet the Science- and Muslim-Hating Conspiracy Theorist Running for the Texas Board of Education (Her FB postings)

What is politically incorrect in Texas?

Wow.