Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 14 20.3%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • Andrew Yang

    Votes: 7 10.1%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Other (i.e. an unlisted candidate)

    Votes: 12 17.4%

  • Total voters
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I don't know if there are good polling numbers on it somewhere, but I think it really depends on what kind of conservative or Republican people are. Most of my friends from ND are Republican/conservative. None of them would vote for Bernie and said as much, and I think most of them are going to vote for Biden. Trump has broad appeal to a lot of different demographics, but the young upper-middle-class or upper-class suburban dad group he doesn't do great with.

My parents also voted in a democratic primary for the first time in their lives this year and do not plan to vote for Trump. I think there are a lot of center-right people as well as #NeverTrump conservatives that will cross over as long as Biden doesn't try to run to the left to appease the Berniesphere. At least that's how I interpret anecdotes in my own life.

My wife is one too. She will not vote for Trump again and will most likely vote for Biden.

I also won't vote for Trump this time around. However, I will be voting American Solidarity.

Of course we are in South Carolina so it won't make much of a difference...
 

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Well we won’t be suffering from socialism for at least 4 1/2 years.

I don't want to be a 'know anything type'... But socialism has been around for 50+ years. The scare tactics they used in the 50's and 60's about Communism has turned Socialism into the curse word. If your against It... don't take Social Security or medicare, and we all will follow suit... Don't pay your taxes either.
The way Millennials have been thrown under the bus with social norms for the last 10 years, Is because of the social experiment that existed 50+ years ago...
 
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I think Biden has already done it. I think there is a large portion of Democrats that aren't really Democrats and are unlikely to vote for Biden... these people are Socialists or Communists who see Biden as a corporatist. That's fine and that's their prerogative, but the worst thing Biden could do right now is capitulate to people who aren't going to vote for him anyways at the risk of pissing off moderates and Republicans he has a chance to win over.

Funny you should say that. A bunch of Bernie supporters I follow on Twitter are talking about buying guns and straight-up voting for Trump. They feel like this election made it clear that they'll never get anywhere in the DNC, and that they'll have a better chance of influencing the GOP. Can't say they're wrong either.
 

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I'm really curious what everyone thinks the foundation of our 2 political parties are? (Today, not even 3 years ago...)

Thought about making a new thread but that would probably be counter problem 1.
I'm really curious about the ways some take the left... Not liberal../ Right... not conservative... thoughts to the booth?
Imho. They managed us into being a bunch of sheep.. and this virus is just the beginning of the wolves they plan on sending
 
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I'm really curious what everyone thinks the foundation of our 2 political parties are? (Today, not even 3 years ago...)

Thought about making a new thread but that would probably be counter problem 1.
I'm really curious about the ways some take the left... Not liberal../ Right... not conservative... thoughts to the booth?
Imho. They managed us into being a bunch of sheep.. and this virus is just the beginning of the wolves they plan on sending

This is a nice observation. Trump is not the right-wing ideologue that he gets painted as. In many ways, he's moved the party to a unique space and it fell in line. I would also argue over the same time frame, the other party took a massive sidestep left. The Democrats no longer have room in the party for pro-life or pro-gun people and have a large socialist block that has taken over at least a portion of the voice.
 

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Funny you should say that. A bunch of Bernie supporters I follow on Twitter are talking about buying guns and straight-up voting for Trump. They feel like this election made it clear that they'll never get anywhere in the DNC, and that they'll have a better chance of influencing the GOP. Can't say they're wrong either.

I mean, the GOP has shown that they can buck tradition and the establishment by voting a reality TV personality in for their primary. GOP is the real party of change.
 

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I don't want to be a 'know anything type'... But socialism has been around for 50+ years. The scare tactics they used in the 50's and 60's about Communism has turned Socialism into the curse word. If your against It... don't take Social Security or medicare, and we all will follow suit... Don't pay your taxes either.
The way Millennials have been thrown under the bus with social norms for the last 10 years, Is because of the social experiment that existed 50+ years ago...

They take money out of my check every payday specifically for SSN benefits. Getting a check every month isn't socialism if you paid into it.
 

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They take money out of my check every payday specifically for SSN benefits. Getting a check every month isn't socialism if you paid into it.

Exactly. And for us Gen Xers and younger, it will be flat out theft b/c we won’t see a penny of it repaid to us.
 

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Exactly. And for us Gen Xers and younger, it will be flat out theft b/c we won’t see a penny of it repaid to us.

By the time they are old enough to qualify there will not be SS anymore. They will have voted in a socialist government and SS will have been replaced by a guaranteed income and then virtually everyone will be at the same socioeconomic status, that being "low" or in other words, economically challenged.
 

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Exactly. And for us Gen Xers and younger, it will be flat out theft b/c we won’t see a penny of it repaid to us.

Back in my 20’s they were saying there wouldn’t be any money by the time I qualified. I think they’ll always find a way to fund it.
 

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Back in my 20’s they were saying there wouldn’t be any money by the time I qualified. I think they’ll always find a way to fund it.

It’s based on generations. The Baby Boomers were one of the biggest generations. I always read/heard that the subsequent generations could in now way pay in an amount to meet the amount needed to pay out. EVERY person who pays in deserves a return but even the biggest fans of entitlements have to admit that it’s a glorified pyramid scheme that has been ransacked and cannot support itself. Plus, imagine what that money would do in an investment instrument if given the opportunity.
 

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Seems like about the time Gov Whitmer of MI became a front runner for Biden’s VP, she has sabotaged her own candidacy w/ all her Draconian laws being applied during the pandemic. She’s either crazy or crazy like a fox. Power is a seductive drug.
 

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Obama to endorse Biden for president today
By Dan Merica and Jeff Zeleny, CNN
Updated 11:07 AM ET, Tue April 14, 2020

CNN)Former President Barack Obama will endorse Joe Biden on Tuesday, a source familiar with the plans tells CNN.

Obama will make the endorsement of his former vice president in a video message, offering why he believes Biden is the candidate needed at this moment of crisis in America, a person close to the former president says.
The endorsement reunites the former running mates and positions Obama, whose endorsement of Biden was seen as a forgone conclusion once Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the race last week, to be one of Biden's most powerful surrogates in the race against President Donald Trump.
It also marks the public re-emergence of Obama into the political arena. The former president kept a low public profile throughout much of the Democratic nomination fight, but he was active behind the scenes.
Two people familiar with Obama's video say it is intended as more than a simple endorsement of his friend and former vice president. His message is designed to address this particular moment in America and around the world, particularly in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.
Obama will acknowledge how frightened people are and explain why he believes Biden is the right person to lead the country in this time of crisis, the sources said, and the candidate who must defeat Trump.
Obama will also speak directly to progressives, praising the spirit of their movement before outlining why he believes they should embrace Biden's candidacy. The former president will also offer a full-throated praise of Sanders and noting what his candidacy has meant for the pursuit of liberal ideals.
Obama in November said he had spoken to all of the candidates during the campaign, often giving them advice both before they announced their bid and after they dropped out. Advisers to the former president said his advice was often the same: Consider why you believe you should be president, what impact it will have on your family and whether you can actually win.

"We have a field of very accomplished, very serious and passionate and smart people who have a history of public service," Obama said at a private fundraiser in late 2019. "Whoever emerges from the primary process, I will work my tail off to make sure they are the next president."
Obama had long said he would get behind the eventual nominee, but the former president's deep affection for Biden was well known to all those who ran against the former vice president this year. Biden even jokingly posted an homage to Obama on "Best Friends Day" in 2019, featuring a friendship bracelet that featured the names "Joe" and "Barack".
That relationship, though, did not keep Obama from giving counsel to other candidates.
As Sanders worked to determine the future of his campaign, Obama and the Vermont senator spoke multiple times, a source familiar with the conversation told CNN. Sanders endorsed Biden on Monday in a livestream, pledging to help him defeat President Trump.
"We need you in the White House. I will do all that I can to see that that happens, Joe," Sanders said to Biden.
In the few moments where Obama did speak out about the race, the former president warned voters of worrying too much about the bruising nature of a primary, reminding them that he and then-Sen. Hillary Clinton had a tough primary in 2008.
And the former president told the candidates to avoid going so far left that they go beyond where voters actually are.
"My one cautionary note is I think it is very important for all the candidates who are running at every level to pay some attention to where voters actually are," Obama said in November, specifically saying he doesn't think candidates should be "deluded into thinking that the resistance to certain approaches to things is simply because voters haven't heard a bold enough proposal."
It is this period of the campaign, however, when some supporters of other candidates, especially Sanders backers, feel like their hopes were dashed once their candidates dropped out, where Obama's team believes the former president can be most useful.
"He is uniquely positioned to galvanize the party around the nominee and increase voter turnout so that a Democrat is successful in the general election," Valerie Jarrett, a longtime Obama adviser, told CNN in March.
Jarrett said that they believed it was "important" to let all the candidates "stand on their own two feet" but that once a nominee was selected, Obama would use the support he enjoyed from a "a broad spectrum of the Democratic Party, both the progressive and moderate wings" to bring the factions together.
Obama's popularity inside the Democratic Party was clear throughout the presidential campaign. A number of candidates ran ads featuring either images of Obama or the former president's voice, including Sanders, who had in the past been critical of Obama.

But extent with which Obama can reach out to Sanders' supports is questionable, given many of the liberal leader's most vocal proponents see the former president as someone who squandered the movement he built in 2008. Even former Obama aides question how successful he will be in reaching Sanders' more diehard proponents.

Biden was not shy about his admiration for Obama throughout the 2020 campaign. Biden often described himself as an "Obama-Biden" Democrat and, in speeches across the country, would calmly refer to the former President as "Barack," sometimes before correcting himself and calling him the president.
The former vice president even used part of his first major rally as a presidential candidate in 2019 to laud his former boss as "an extraordinary man."
"I watched up close, his character, his courage, his vision," Biden said. "He was a president our children could, and did, look up to. ... He was a great president."
 

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My God what did I just watch

That broke my eyes, ears, etc...

LOL devil is in the details... Bernie not actually dropping out, just suspending his campaign and saying he will "continue to gather delegates." What the fuck man...

IMO, has more to do with being able to say "I've got the 2nd most delegates" if for some reason Biden decides to leave or is unable to run for whatever reason.

Agreed. I used to laugh at Dr. Savage with his firm views on the far left and mental illness and such. I’ve also noted how Trump has done one constructive thing, brought the reality of the far left into full view... it’s been interesting.

Full view, and clear as a mountain stream. I think Trump is disgusting in many ways, but my view of many on the other side are far worse. It's pretty sad to be honest, but I think it's good in some ways (getting the dose of reality).

I think the illness is the same or very similar to whatever gets people in the South to donate tons of money to TV preachers and stuff. It's all totally insane.

I think the illnesses are different though. Perhaps rooted in different areas. My grandmother (passed in the 80s) on the hillbilly side sent a small pittance to Billy Graham (or similar) every month even though she had very little. She wan't preachy or crazy, just "country", Christian, and had very limited knowledge of the world.

She wasn't in the South either. Just an poor Indiana farm wife with 11 kids and little education. Not sure she was all that much different that my other grandmother who lived in Indy, had 10 kids, and gave her money to the Catholic Church every week. I think that generation is mostly gone though, but televangelist still prey on the old and less educated.

One could also accuse the Vatican of the same. I mean how many Vatican Bank scandals have there been? It's really easy to call all the televangelist crooks, but why do we ignore the history of Catholic scandals. It's not like the scandals have stopped (just had another major one a year or two ago).

Speaking of Cuomo, in his daily coronavirus briefing earlier today he announced that the state (meaning of course NY) would be giving those receiving unemployment an additional $600 per week. Funny that he did not mention that this money is coming from the federal government and was a Trump proposal. Must have slipped his mind.

shocked

Funny you should say that. A bunch of Bernie supporters I follow on Twitter are talking about buying guns and straight-up voting for Trump. They feel like this election made it clear that they'll never get anywhere in the DNC, and that they'll have a better chance of influencing the GOP. Can't say they're wrong either.

I absolutely think they could influence the GOP in some areas, more than the Dems. But you'll still have the new wave of folks like AOC continuing to press the DNC from within. I really wonder what the hard core Bernie Bros think of AOC.

This is a nice observation. Trump is not the right-wing ideologue that he gets painted as. In many ways, he's moved the party to a unique space and it fell in line. I would also argue over the same time frame, the other party took a massive sidestep left. The Democrats no longer have room in the party for pro-life or pro-gun people and have a large socialist block that has taken over at least a portion of the voice.

He's not a GOP ideologue at all. Purely my opinion, but he's shifted L in some areas, R on some, and to new places not necessarily R or L on others. But yes, the Dems have definitely moved much farther Left. Feels like a contest to see who can go the farthest.

I know it's a pipe dream, but really wish we could blow up the 2 party system.

Seems like about the time Gov Whitmer of MI became a front runner for Biden’s VP, she has sabotaged her own candidacy w/ all her Draconian laws being applied during the pandemic. She’s either crazy or crazy like a fox. Power is a seductive drug.

She's a nut. Never heard of her really till they tapped her to give the SOTU response. Still chuckling at her threatening docs if they used hydroxychloroquine then changed her tune and asked for stockpiles.

Obama to endorse Biden for president today
By Dan Merica and Jeff Zeleny, CNN
Updated 11:07 AM ET, Tue April 14, 2020

CNN)Former President Barack Obama will endorse Joe Biden on Tuesday, a source familiar with the plans tells CNN.

So strange it took this long.
 

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By the time they are old enough to qualify there will not be SS anymore. They will have voted in a socialist government and SS will have been replaced by a guaranteed income and then virtually everyone will be at the same socioeconomic status, that being "low" or in other words, economically challenged.

SS won't ever go away, most people will just have to wait longer for it. Should have happened years ago but adding a month to eligibility for every year under age 55 down to say age 19 would move the retirement ages from 62-70 to ages 65-73 probably fixing the system. How the hell does anyone complain about that fix? Politicians have no balls to do it and it isn't really that hard.

SSDI is already filling in for this guaranteed income crowd. 1/6th of people age 55-65 are on SSDI - it an early retirement path for piles of low earning folks that don't want to work or will work cash jobs while collecting.
 

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SS won't ever go away, most people will just have to wait longer for it. Should have happened years ago but adding a month to eligibility for every year under age 55 down to say age 19 would move the retirement ages from 62-70 to ages 65-73 probably fixing the system. How the hell does anyone complain about that fix? Politicians have no balls to do it and it isn't really that hard.

SSDI is already filling in for this guaranteed income crowd. 1/6th of people age 55-65 are on SSDI - it an early retirement path for piles of low earning folks that don't want to work or will work cash jobs while collecting.

They've already adjusted it some. Used to be 65 and you get your max payment. Now it's 70 which is one reason I'm still working.
 

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The Dems need to replace the jackass mascot w/ a choking emoji b/c no political party has had as many choke jobs in a POTUS election year more than they have recently.

First Hillary chokes away the nomination to some unknown community organizer who had minimal experience & not much of a record as a US Senator.

Then she chokes 8 years later when the media all but guaranteed us that she would beat Trump in a landslide. She couldn’t beat an egotistical fool who had questionable financial & personal pasts who had been a Democrat for most of his public life. A lot of people (incl me) woke up shocked to the news that Trump won.

Now, the Dems expected nominee is career politician who likes to get grabby w/ women against their will, is a walking gaffe machine, is showing signs of dementia & now has sexual assault accusations.

This is the best the Dems can do over the past decade & 1/2? Not saying the Republicans are putting up paragons of leadership & virtue but they’re still beating the Dems for the highest office in the free world.
 

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The Dems need to replace the jackass mascot w/ a choking emoji b/c no political party has had as many choke jobs in a POTUS election year more than they have recently.

First Hillary chokes away the nomination to some unknown community organizer who had minimal experience & not much of a record as a US Senator.

Then she chokes 8 years later when the media all but guaranteed us that she would beat Trump in a landslide. She couldn’t beat an egotistical fool who had questionable financial & personal pasts who had been a Democrat for most of his public life. A lot of people (incl me) woke up shocked to the news that Trump won.

Now, the Dems expected nominee is career politician who likes to get grabby w/ women against their will, is a walking gaffe machine, is showing signs of dementia & now has sexual assault accusations.

This is the best the Dems can do over the past decade & 1/2? Not saying the Republicans are putting up paragons of leadership & virtue but they’re still beating the Dems for the highest office in the free world.

But Obama says he's the one we need right now....
 

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But Obama says he's the one we need right now....

The guy who leads from behind? He waited how long until he finally endorsed his own former VP as the presumptive nominee? After every single candidate other than his VP had dropped out? I’m no Trump fanatic but Obama isn’t exactly the standard I’m looking for either.
 

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The guy who leads from behind? He waited how long until he finally endorsed his own former VP as the presumptive nominee? After every single candidate other than his VP had dropped out? I’m no Trump fanatic but Obama isn’t exactly the standard I’m looking for either.

I didn't think I needed italics, but...
 

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The guy who leads from behind? He waited how long until he finally endorsed his own former VP as the presumptive nominee? After every single candidate other than his VP had dropped out? I’m no Trump fanatic but Obama isn’t exactly the standard I’m looking for either.


Ouch, I guess that's what President Obama gets for following the President Reagan playbook. Feels bad man.
 

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Ouch, I guess that's what President Obama gets for following the President Reagan playbook. Feels bad man.

It took them a long time to get the teleprompter working. Everyone knows Barry couldnt operate without one. Was really amazing to see him go from a well composed orator to a bumbling idiot as soon as he wasnt reading off a screen.
 

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It took them a long time to get the teleprompter working. Everyone knows Barry couldnt operate without one. Was really amazing to see him go from a well composed orator to a bumbling idiot as soon as he wasnt reading off a screen.


Sick burn!
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My goodness this is sad.<br><br>The looks on the CNN anchors' faces say it all.<a href="https://t.co/WMb9gRrhTY">pic.twitter.com/WMb9gRrhTY</a></p>— Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) <a href="https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1250988349453672449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My goodness this is sad.<br><br>The looks on the CNN anchors' faces say it all.<a href="https://t.co/WMb9gRrhTY">pic.twitter.com/WMb9gRrhTY</a></p>— Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) <a href="https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1250988349453672449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can't wait for the general debates. Joe will need to channel his inner Corn Pop.
 

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Can't wait for the general debates. Joe will need to channel his inner Corn Pop.

I see your humor and It is funny. Can't you see this Is a weird way they are creating a 1 party system?

If he is this bad off and Obama endorsed him, it has nothing to do with Dems vs. Rep. It's just silly.

I'm afraid of our future; as we all should be.

The 'got ya' BullShit has got to go.. As well as the Emotional Terrorists that want to control our children.


BTW. I would love for the #Emotional Terrorists to start doing that thing....
 
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Even If we all have to fake cry... Just stop.


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