Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

[Irish#1]

Biden finally came out and denied the allegation. Staffers have said they don't remember Reade ever coming to them with a complaint. A former neighbor says Reade did mention it to them and now it appears that Reades mother had called into the Larry King show asking for advice on the matter.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-allegation/index.html

 

[Irishize]

Biden finally came out and denied the allegation. Staffers have said they don't remember Reade ever coming to them with a complaint. A former neighbor says Reade did mention it to them and now it appears that Reades mother had called into the Larry King show asking for advice on the matter.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-allegation/index.html

Corn Pop set him up.

 

[drayer54]

This whole Tara Reade thing has been amazing to me. The complete media hypocrisy is still fascinating. All of the Senators who screamed from the top of their lungs to believe women in 2018 have shutup and endorsed Joe.

The credible evidence clearly exceeds anything that ever surfaced against Kavanaugh and that doesn't even include the creepy videos that are everywhere of Joe.

Joe has already used 2020 to kill the #MeToo movement and has restored the world of #BelieveMen.

Pence not wearing a mask was a bigger story than this. Did someone say, General Flynn? Also, not a story...

Amazing.

 

[yankeehater]

Biden group accessed Univ of Delaware records back in March.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...records-at-university-of-delaware-report-says

 

[Irish#1]

Biden group accessed Univ of Delaware records back in March.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...records-at-university-of-delaware-report-says

Cleanup in aisle 3.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

This whole Tara Reade thing has been amazing to me. The complete media hypocrisy is still fascinating. All of the Senators who screamed from the top of their lungs to believe women in 2018 have shutup and endorsed Joe.

The credible evidence clearly exceeds anything that ever surfaced against Kavanaugh and that doesn't even include the creepy videos that are everywhere of Joe.

Joe has already used 2020 to kill the #MeToo movement and has restored the world of #BelieveMen.

Pence not wearing a mask was a bigger story than this. Did someone say, General Flynn? Also, not a story...

Amazing.

Believe all women...unless the accuser has a D behind his name.

 

[Irish YJ]

Corn Pop set him up.

Not shocked. Corn Pop is a bad dude. He ran a bunch of bad boys, and was armed with a straight razor.

Cleanup in aisle 3.

And his connections to the folks that run the archive... Think anyone will investigate the digital footprints... lol...

 

[Irish YJ]

The DNC called the New York Time's call for a Biden sexual assault probe, "absurd".....

This is truly twilight zone stuff when the DNC is attacking the NYTs.
Given their love for probes and investigations, it's so so sooooo rich...

 

[drayer54]

The DNC called the New York Time's call for a Biden sexual assault probe, "absurd".....

This is truly twilight zone stuff when the DNC is attacking the NYTs.
Given their love for probes and investigations, it's so so sooooo rich...

If this were a Democrat, they’d be hysterical in pussy hats and screaming at how misogynistic everyone who doesn’t believe her is. However, the accused was a Democrat so let’s just all assume the creepy tendencies are limited to sniffing and kissing.

 

[drayer54]

In case you ever doubted that the media is the messaging team for the DNC- You can't make this stuff up. According to the Atlantic, Biden is counting on "the media," particularly the NYT, to "do the work of exonerating him." https://t.co/dE2pEr848J

 

[Irishize]

 

[NorthDakota]

"Why dont people trust the media?" the Journalist cried into his pillow.

 

[drayer54]

Look who was involved and knew about the Obamagate scandal. Page 3. last name. Go ahead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SCOOP <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSNews</a> obtains <a href="https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RichardGrenell</a> notification to congress declassified “unmasking list” Flynn between late 2016 and January 2017 - Read 3 pages provided by NSA here <a href="https://t.co/NozVpQlRn2">pic.twitter.com/NozVpQlRn2</a></p>— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1260635872271228928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

This just keeps getting worse and worse for Joe.

 

[TorontoGold]

Look who was involved and knew about the Obamagate scandal. Page 3. last name. Go ahead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SCOOP <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSNews</a> obtains <a href="https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RichardGrenell</a> notification to congress declassified “unmasking list” Flynn between late 2016 and January 2017 - Read 3 pages provided by NSA here <a href="https://t.co/NozVpQlRn2">pic.twitter.com/NozVpQlRn2</a></p>— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1260635872271228928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

When an official requests an unmasking, isnt it because they don't know the identity of who they're unmasking?

I guess the next shoe to drop is what the underlying data is behind all the requests. If it's nothing then lock em up, but if there were legitimate concerns does the unmasking look more legit?

 

[drayer54]

When an official requests an unmasking, isnt it because they don't know the identity of who they're unmasking?

I guess the next shoe to drop is what the underlying data is behind all the requests. If it's nothing then lock em up, but if there were legitimate concerns does the unmasking look more legit?

Well the legitimacy is what seems to be the concern. As more and more documents are becoming public, the lack of anything justifying the Russia frenzy seems to be apparent and the alarming actions of the 44 admin leaving office and Schiff’s hysteria seems to be a notable story.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Look who was involved and knew about the Obamagate scandal. Page 3. last name. Go ahead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SCOOP <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSNews</a> obtains <a href="https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RichardGrenell</a> notification to congress declassified “unmasking list” Flynn between late 2016 and January 2017 - Read 3 pages provided by NSA here <a href="https://t.co/NozVpQlRn2">pic.twitter.com/NozVpQlRn2</a></p>— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1260635872271228928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I just don't see the Dems rolling with Joe come fall, and never doubt Hillary's hubris.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't think Joe Biden is the nominee come August 20. He really looks like he is losing his capacities and being propped up. How can they in good conscience put him on a debate stage with Trump? Its elder abuse. I think Dems are buying time to the convention and will see more rumblings as it draws nearer. Big Q is who steps in to the void b/c we know it won't be Bernie and probably not any one of the 100 that actually ran.

This Tara Reade stuff plus unmasking connections are very convenient an not in the normal R playbook - they play too nice and media is non-compliant. It is going to pile on making a sob story about a dementia diagnosis will provide a pivot to a dignified exit strategy for a hero career politician.

 

[TorontoGold]

Well the legitimacy is what seems to be the concern. As more and more documents are becoming public, the lack of anything justifying the Russia frenzy seems to be apparent and the alarming actions of the 44 admin leaving office and Schiff’s hysteria seems to be a notable story.

Yeah I think at this point they need to release the underlying intelligence behind the unmaskings. The American public should see how these unmaskings were done, otherwise it's just pure political garbage at this point. Dems see it as a nothingburger because unmaskings are supposed to be done without knowing who the person is (otherwise it wouldn't be called an unmasking). GOP'ers seem to see it as the Obama admin doing the Trump admin dirty and looking for something.

Dems can't claim that the unmaskings/surveillance was warranted with no supporting information. GOP can't say it's a political hit job (yet) without the underlying data coming out.

I think Schiff needs to step aside, he put all his marbles in the Trump is clearly a criminal basket and didn't produce anything with overwhelming evidence.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah I think at this point they need to release the underlying intelligence behind the unmaskings. The American public should see how these unmaskings were done, otherwise it's just pure political garbage at this point. Dems see it as a nothingburger because unmaskings are supposed to be done without knowing who the person is (otherwise it wouldn't be called an unmasking). GOP'ers seem to see it as the Obama admin doing the Trump admin dirty and looking for something.

Dems can't claim that the unmaskings/surveillance was warranted with no supporting information. GOP can't say it's a political hit job (yet) without the underlying data coming out.

I think Schiff needs to step aside, he put all his marbles in the Trump is clearly a criminal basket and didn't produce anything with overwhelming resources and support of his witch hunt..

Schiff produced a lot - just nothing based on facts.

Is it still up for debate whether or not Trump was spied on? Can we all agree that that is a historical fact?

 

[TorontoGold]

Schiff produced a lot - just nothing based on facts.

Is it still up for debate whether or not Trump was spied on? Can we all agree that that is a historical fact?

Until the underlying intelligence comes out then we don't know.

Schiff's antics are separate from all of the other investigations into the Trump team. No matter what Schiff dug up it wasn't going to satisfy anyone on the other side. When it came time to deliver the goods he couldn't.

Criminally Mueller didn't/couldn't find a crime, and referred the rest of the investigations to other entities.

 

[Irish YJ]

When an official requests an unmasking, isnt it because they don't know the identity of who they're unmasking?

I guess the next shoe to drop is what the underlying data is behind all the requests. If it's nothing then lock em up, but if there were legitimate concerns does the unmasking look more legit?

The key here is he went on the air last week saying he didn't know anything, didn't do anything, etc...... Now we know that he's requested unmasking, something he would have consciously did and consciously received results of, a long time ago... He lied... plain and simple. It's not that hard.

 

[Irish YJ]

Until the underlying intelligence comes out then we don't know.

Schiff's antics are separate from all of the other investigations into the Trump team. No matter what Schiff dug up it wasn't going to satisfy anyone on the other side. When it came time to deliver the goods he couldn't.

Criminally Mueller didn't/couldn't find a crime, and referred the rest of the investigations to other entities.

Scchiff said he has seen "proof", then when questioned under the cloak (just like Brenner, Clapper, and several others), said he had zero. Lies. Plain and simple.

 

[TorontoGold]

The key here is he went on the air last week saying he didn't know anything, didn't do anything, etc...... Now we know that he's requested unmasking, something he would have consciously did and consciously received results of, a long time ago... He lied... plain and simple. It's not that hard.

Yeah 100%, no idea why he didnt simply say "Yeah I requested unmasking, and upon receiving it I found out it was Flynn". He has the tact of doorknob.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah 100%, no idea why he didnt simply say "Yeah I requested unmasking, and upon receiving it I found out it was Flynn". He has the tact of doorknob.

And don't think they don't know who they are asking to unmask.... and don't think they don't blitz a person they know who has talked to XX or YY... They know exactly what they are doing. And the shear amount of requests in the last days of the Obama admin are pretty telling.

 

[TorontoGold]

And don't think they don't know who they are asking to unmask.... and don't think they don't blitz a person they know who has talked to XX or YY... They know exactly what they are doing. And the shear amount of requests in the last days of the Obama admin are pretty telling.

Theres a former NSC conservative guy I like to read on Twitter, John Schlinder. He's conservative (I believe he abstained in 2016?), but hes been pretty good on the whole Russia thing. Called out the Dossier, and how Schiff has handled things.

But hes laid out the unmasking stuff pretty well. Also he makes a point that the unmasking rate has doubled since DJT took over.

 

[Irish YJ]

Theres a former NSC conservative guy I like to read on Twitter, John Schlinder. He's conservative (I believe he abstained in 2016?), but hes been pretty good on the whole Russia thing. Called out the Dossier, and how Schiff has handled things.

But hes laid out the unmasking stuff pretty well. Also he makes a point that the unmasking rate has doubled since DJT took over.

I don't know a bunch about Schlinder, but he looks like a never Trumper via a quick scan of his Twitter. Never really heard of him, but looks like he's tried to make the MSM circuit and failed. Calls the Obama admin timid about Collusion-delusion, but now we know that's likely not the case.

To think that the DNC/HRC funded the dossier, and Obama had no clue is pretty blind.

 

[TorontoGold]

I don't know a bunch about Schlinder, but he looks like a never Trumper via a quick scan of his Twitter. Never really heard of him, but looks like he's tried to make the MSM circuit and failed. Calls the Obama admin timid about Collusion-delusion, but now we know that's likely not the case.

To think that the DNC/HRC funded the dossier, and Obama had no clue is pretty blind.

Yeah, Schlinder didn't make it on the MSM circuit cause he doesn't like the spin aspect of it. Also he's pretty blunt in his assessment of people. Loathes the Obama admin, places a ton of blame at his feet for allowing the russians to spread disinformation. He's said multiple times he's a pretty staunch conservative, just very pro-intelligence community.

 

[Irish YJ]

OMG lol WAPO...

Making Abrams your poster girl is just yet another twilight zone moment from MSM....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Pandemonium ensues as she walks to the far left of the stage, like a runway supermodel, stops on a dime, poses, tilts her head slightly and smiles. Camera flashes explode. She next pivots and walks slowly to the center of the stage, freezes there and repeats the pose." <a href="https://t.co/1LXzeMYMbD">https://t.co/1LXzeMYMbD</a> <a href="https://t.co/nP3CqUCnxy">pic.twitter.com/nP3CqUCnxy</a></p>— jerylbier (@JerylBier) <a href="https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1261871872309854209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To the Washington Post, Terrorists are 'Austere Religious Scholars' and Stacey Abrams is a "supermodel." Just GTFO.</p>— Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1262093230151217153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

Trying to position herself if the DNC ever wakes up about Joe carrying the flag for the Dems?