Banned Users

[BobbyMac]

What was the rumor? I missed that one.

Yeah, what was the rumor? I missed that too.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yeah, what was the rumor? I missed that too.

I'd also like to know...

 

[NDohio]

What was the rumor? I missed that one.

You can only be told of the rumor if you are part of the inner circle!

Really, I have no clue, but it originated from Koon, so...

 

[ThePiombino]

You can only be told of the rumor if you are part of the inner circle!



Really, I have no clue, but it originated from Koon, so...

No need to use italics when it's 100% true

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk

 

[pumpdog20]

Is this where we say "I'd like to know about the rumor, PM me"?

 

[ACamp1900]

I think maybe we need a food thread...or cats...

The natural cure all threads,...

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I can vouch for arndtjc, Some Irish Bloke, Irish #1, scUM Sucks, IrishLion, and NDinLA. They were all stand up dudes at tailgates. Arn will make sure there's plenty of Jameson, and Bloke cooks some mean food. Lion is above taking bribes to have posters banned, but maybe I didn't offer enough. I think I met NDRock for like 3 minutes before one game, can't remember. Irish2155 was supposed to hook up with us at Louisville last year, but he was too hammered to find us The drunk texts during the game were a riot though.

That was a riot, I'm glad we threw that together. After that, I'm definitely open to any board members joining my tailgates in the future. Usually hit a couple of home games and try to get on the road and experience other stadiums.

I was supposed to head to Vegas on Thursday but that was obviously cancelled. Have a flight to *uck with now. Thinking maybe I head out to CA for the first time and get a peak at the Coliseum. Maybe road trip for the Wake game or Pitt. In wait and see mode until this COVID *hit is behind us.

 

[IrishLion]

That was a riot, I'm glad we threw that together. After that, I'm definitely open to any board members joining my tailgates in the future. Usually hit a couple of home games and try to get on the road and experience other stadiums.

I was supposed to head to Vegas on Thursday but that was obviously cancelled. Have a flight to *uck with now. Thinking maybe I head out to CA for the first time and get a peak at the Coliseum. Maybe road trip for the Wake game or Pitt. In wait and see mode until this COVID *hit is behind us.

I will absolutely, 100% be in South Bend for ND/UC in 2021. Gonna do my best to get a parking pass for the lot outside the stadium and make it a big tailgate day.

 

[ulukinatme]

I will absolutely, 100% be in South Bend for ND/UC in 2021. Gonna do my best to get a parking pass for the lot outside the stadium and make it a big tailgate day.

Louisville reunion!

 

[greyhammer90]

I'll explain the justifications for all three bans on Monday. Will take too much typing and linking to do from my phone though.

 

[Irish YJ]

I take an Easter week vacation from IE, and missed all the fun. Had to read 8 pages to catch up lol... Heard a rumor that the Pope is considering revoking Whiskey's halo though.. Hate to see anyone banned. Glad Lax only got a timeout. To Koon, Cali, Loomis, and all the dearly departed.

Irish #1 is a standup dude, I seriously don't think he would do anything.

He needs to use a walker these days, and has one of those pop up recliners, but yes, he's as stand up as stand up can be.

Can’t believe it was Beau who pulled the trigger after all these years.

He wouldn’t have been in the field when Koon won his first “most likely to get banned” award. Before then we lost Bogs, Wooly, Buster, Pat, and Cack. STL, Chiirish, GB, Johnnykillz, Ironman, LA are basically retired.

Brian Kelly is going to outlast all of us at this rate.

I miss a lot of folks from the old days. I thought Cack simply retired though. Anyway, he still reads the board occasionally, and is doing great. Killz I thought was still on occasionally under a different username with a kinder/gentler less Killz demeanor.

I miss those awards...

Why don't they happen anymore? It was always fun.

Reading this thread, I need to clear the air on a LOT of stuff. I can't address everything without writing a novel. So I'm going to focus on what actually set this off, and then I'm outie for a bit.

We got on the topic of Koon because he made some out-of-line posts. And I tried appealing to him as a person to cut the crap, because people who know him real life have said he’s a solid dude. They say he’s a good guy who just acts different online. The idea that there is personal animus is just not true on any level. The only reason he wasn’t permabanned in 2015 for some serious rule breaking is that I lobbied to give him a second chance because a mutual acquaintance vouched for him. So instead he got a few months, and told to knock off the trolling, instigating, etc. I then lobbied to get him reinstated early. And I have the receipts for all of this.

I’m not going to rehash the posts from yesterday that everyone can go read and draw their own conclusions. Bottom line is that I didn’t expect people to resort to outright lies as a form trolling to score points. It was a mistake to start down the path addressing that misinformation head on, and ask if he wanted me to “prove it.” I’ll 100% own that my phrasing in that post was a fuck up. Once I saw how it was being received, I realized that. And I got about halfway through deleting the offending posts before Beau tried to nip it in the bud and deescalate the situation. Instead of that happening, Koon doubled down on some Alex Jones level conspiracy crap.

I seriously cannot believe he tried to convince people that the mods are reading people’s PMs (this is physically impossible!!! Even the all-powerful Jason Pham can’t do that) or sleuthing out people’s personal information or other nonsense. I mean what in the actual fuck? Trolling is one thing, but that isn’t funny or acceptable on every level. The only thing anyone has access to is your registration email. Period. It's really easy to show that he was absolutely full of it with basically everything he posted yesterday, but given that offering to "prove" stuff is exactly what set off this shit show I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.

I’m not naïve enough to think this is the end of it. I’m sure Koon is relishing his new martyr role… there are many times when he has begged to be permabanned, so congrats on finally crossing enough lines to get your wish. I'd also put strong odds on Koon and loomis circumventing their bans, they’ve both admitted to stuff like that with bans in the past. Is what it is and there's nothing we can really do if he wants to stir up more shit.

I’ll close by saying we have to figure out a way to stop the toxic effect politics threads are having on our board. I've personally been really susceptible to this. The vast majority of conflicts are in those threads or because of spillover from those threads. It didn’t use to be anything close to this. Speaking personally, there are still a ton of people on both sides of the political spectrum doing things how they used to be done. Drayer, YJ, wizards, whiskey, etc. come to mind as people on the right I disagree with a lot but always keep it 100%; 41, Bluto, Oahu are guys on the left I can say the same about. Many other very smart posters too I’m not naming, and a lot of others that (usually) trend towards being productive. But there are also way too many fucking people treating this site like Twitter right now. Acting like the goal is to try to talk past someone or score points or whatever. We’ve lost a LOT of good posters due to our decision to lightly moderate and sequester the politics threads (RIP Cack), so that was maybe a mistake. It’s fitting that many of the same people who drove those people off hanged themselves yesterday by showing their true colors. The same people that are responsible for the bulk of reported posts and asking for other to be banned are the same ones who cry about mods "controlling the board." Ironic.

Yesterday was a wakeup call that putting any effort into engaging with people on this site who choose to post in bad faith is a waste of time, and that our “hands off” approach to moderating in order to avoid conflict/drama was a gross miscalculation. Not a single moderator here signed up for this site so that they could referee squabbles on some generic politics board.

I’ll be back for football season, I’m going to spend the rest of the weekend doing what I actually joined this site to do 10 years ago which is talk ND sports. No info hold back, if the rumor is wrong fuck it you’ll have forgotten in a few months. Also, reading some posts here about some long gone posters here also makes me nostalgic, so if people want to wax poetic about them or other big picture shit I’m game for that too.

Much Love,

IrishLax

PS. The only thing that actually surprised me was Irish2155. I know he has had his hand slapped a couple times by moderators, but I had no idea we had beef. Always thought he was a good poster.

Good post Lax. Don't stay gone too long. And same to you. I know we don't agree on a lot, but you've been 100% with me.

The politics thread isn’t the problem. Blaming a topic is an easy way for people to not take responsibility for themselves.

Yup. Some can handle it, some can't. I think whoever said that booze contributes, hit it on the head though. Either way, it's self control though.

I know we can't systemically ban folks just from the political threads, I do think mods could give out verbal bans from political threads that turn systemic if folks don't keep out.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Koon was an alright dude that sometimes went a bit far in his arguments. But there are plenty of others out here that do the same from time to time... including me in my earlier days on IE. I am going to miss the fact that Koon actually did bring some good points to his various conversations at times. I guess he just took this one too far... and that's a shame. Wish him the best of luck.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If you insist...

Regarding IE's mods, we try to keep the various subforums well-organized and the threads on-topic so people can find relevant information quickly and avoid subjects they're not interested in. But other than that, we're pretty hands off, and engage with the board just like regular posters. We don't typically have to don our mod hats until a post gets reported. And most of the time, the issue can be quickly defused by moving an off-topic post, gently suggesting that the parties de-escalate, or telling someone to chill via PM.

When a certain poster is either reporting or getting reported frequently, that's a pretty reliable indication that they're disruptive of the community and might need to be banned eventually, so we'll open a thread to discuss the issue in the Front Office (mod forum). Very few posters get their own thread there, and the vast majority who do end up perma-banned eventually. Regarding those who recently got the axe:

• Koon's thread was opened on 9/12/2014 and is 111 posts long; and that's not even counting a couple of side threads like "Koon v. Wooly". For reference, the next longest thread is irishpat's, which is only 86 posts long. He created more work for us (by far) than any other poster on this site, and it's frankly amazing we held off on banning him for as long as we did.
• Loomis' thread was opened on 3/27/2016 and is 45 posts long. Received several temporary bans since then, but just couldn't manage to be civil (especially in the political threads).
• Cali_Domer's thread was opened pretty recently, but after going back and looking through his posting history, it was clear we should have broached the topic much earlier (he posted infrequently enough to stay under our radar, though). His posts were uniformly negative, completely without substance, and rabidly anti-Kelly. We politely asked him to stop emotionally dumping on the board several times, but he told us off. Then he opted to side with loomis and Koon (who were already getting perma-banned) against the mods, which made it clear things weren't going to get better.

That's the "rap sheet" for each recently banned poster, and the first two were justified beyond a doubt. The door might be open for Cali to come back in the future, but he'd have to quit being such an anti-Kelly partisan. Some posters have anxiety about the program, and they deal with it by posting here a lot. This community exists due to our shared love of NDFB, and as fans, it's not fun to read criticism of the team. That's why critical opinion of the program is held to a higher standard here; if it's irrational/ unsupported, it's just gonna piss people off. IE isn't your CFB group therapy session, and no one has the right to force us to deal with their insecurity about the program.

As for the political threads, I'm open to maybe nuking them. But I'm hesitant to do so for a couple reasons:

• I spend a lot more time here because of the political, theological, and cultural discussions than I would otherwise. And I've gotten a lot out of them, to be honest, and am much closer with some of you than I'd be if we limited our interactions to just football-related content.
• Of the "regrettable turnover" that may have been linked to heated arguments in the political threads (Cacky, wooly, Buster, NDinLA, etc.), most of them PMed me before leaving and explained that they: (1) were spending too much time on IE; and (2) were about to embark on a major life change (usually a new job); and (3) therefore wanted a permaban to avoid the temptation. None of them said, "hey, the political threads have ruined IE for me, so I'm leaving." If that were actually the case, they wouldn't have requested bans to ensure they stay away. They'd just sour on the community and stop logging in.

But I'm open to changing my mind on this.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Koon was an alright dude that sometimes went a bit far in his arguments. But there are plenty of others out here that do the same from time to time... including me in my earlier days on IE. I am going to miss the fact that Koon actually did bring some good points to his various conversations at times. I guess he just took this one too far... and that's a shame. Wish him the best of luck.

It should be noted that this is/wasn't about this one occurrence. It was just the straw that broke the camels back. This has been an ongoing conversation going back multiple years.

 

[Irish2155]

If you insist...

Regarding IE's mods, we try to keep the various subforums well-organized and the threads on-topic so people can find relevant information quickly and avoid subjects they're not interested in. But other than that, we're pretty hands off, and engage with the board just like regular posters. We don't typically have to don our mod hats until a post gets reported. And most of the time, the issue can be quickly defused by moving an off-topic post, gently suggesting that the parties de-escalate, or telling someone to chill via PM.

When a certain poster is either reporting or getting reported frequently, that's a pretty reliable indication that they're disruptive of the community and might need to be banned eventually, so we'll open a thread to discuss the issue in the Front Office (mod forum). Very few posters get their own thread there, and the vast majority who do end up perma-banned eventually. Regarding those who recently got the axe:

• Koon's thread was opened on 9/12/2014 and is 111 posts long; and that's not even counting a couple of side threads like "Koon v. Wooly". For reference, the next longest thread is irishpat's, which is only 86 posts long. He created more work for us (by far) than any other poster on this site, and it's frankly amazing we held off on banning him for as long as we did.
• Loomis' thread was opened on 3/27/2016 and is 45 posts long. Received several temporary bans since then, but just couldn't manage to be civil (especially in the political threads).
• Cali_Domer's thread was opened pretty recently, but after going back and looking through his posting history, it was clear we should have broached the topic much earlier (he posted infrequently enough to stay under our radar, though). His posts were uniformly negative, completely without substance, and rabidly anti-Kelly. We politely asked him to stop emotionally dumping on the board several times, but he told us off. Then he opted to side with loomis and Koon (who were already getting perma-banned) against the mods, which made it clear things weren't going to get better.

That's the "rap sheet" for each recently banned poster, and the first two were justified beyond a doubt. The door might be open for Cali to come back in the future, but he'd have to quit being such an anti-Kelly partisan. Some posters have anxiety about the program, and they deal with it by posting here a lot. This community exists due to our shared love of NDFB, and as fans, it's not fun to read criticism of the team. That's why critical opinion of the program is held to a higher standard here; if it's irrational/ unsupported, it's just gonna piss people off. IE isn't your CFB group therapy session, and no one has the right to force us to deal with their insecurity about the program.

As for the political threads, I'm open to maybe nuking them. But I'm hesitant to do so for a couple reasons:

• I spend a lot more time here because of the political, theological, and cultural discussions than I would otherwise. And I've gotten a lot out of them, to be honest, and am much closer with some of you than I'd be if we limited our interactions to just football-related content.
• Of the "regrettable turnover" that may have been linked to heated arguments in the political threads (Cacky, wooly, Buster, NDinLA, etc.), most of them PMed me before leaving and explained that they: (1) were spending too much time on IE; and (2) were about to embark on a major life change (usually a new job); and (3) therefore wanted a permaban to avoid the temptation. None of them said, "hey, the political threads have ruined IE for me, so I'm leaving." If that were actually the case, they wouldn't have requested bans to ensure they stay away. They'd just sour on the community and stop logging in.

But I'm open to changing my mind on this.

So how does one know if they are on the naughty Mod thread list or not? Is that blind to the user?

 

[Irish#1]

He needs to use a walker these days, and has one of those pop up recliners, but yes, he's as stand up as stand up can be.

Hey, you forgot to remove the italics for the last part! lol

If you insist...



When a certain poster is either reporting or getting reported frequently, that's a pretty reliable indication that they're disruptive of the community and might need to be banned eventually, so we'll open a thread to discuss the issue in the Front Office (mod forum). Very few posters get their own thread there, and the vast majority who do end up perma-banned eventually. Regarding those who recently got the axe:

Now you've really created a lot of curiosity. lol

Keep up the good work gents.

 

[ACamp1900]

Only 111 posts???

 

[Legacy]

I am a Free Speech and Personal Responsibility advocate. I don't believe anyone should be banned. Stray into some Political threads and know the gators (whatever "side") will be snapping. People get personal - that's on them (or you).

Create a Timeout Section in which only they can post. But limit it to two posts a day and no multiquoting there. They can be sent there for two weeks and post on anything they like, resort to characterizations or whatever. Length the stay with repeat infractions.

See what level of discourse that brings to the other threads. Invite all who were banned before this back.

 

[BeauBenken]

I am a Free Speech and Personal Responsibility advocate. I don't believe anyone should be banned. Stray into some Political threads and know the gators (whatever "side") will be snapping. People get personal - that's on them (or you).

Create a Timeout Section in which only they can post. But limit it to two posts a day and no multiquoting there. They can be sent there for two weeks and post on anything they like, resort to characterizations or whatever. Length the stay with repeat infractions.

See what level of discourse that brings to the other threads. Invite all who were banned before this back.

This isn't something we can do.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So how does one know if they are on the naughty Mod thread list or not? Is that blind to the user?

Just ask a mod. You don't have one. We never ban someone without giving them enough rope to hang themselves, so if a mod hasn't reached out to you via PM about knocking something off, then rest assured you're not on anyone's shit list.

Only 111 posts???

My all-time favorite movie, btw.

I am a Free Speech and Personal Responsibility advocate. I don't believe anyone should be banned. Stray into some Political threads and know the gators (whatever "side") will be snapping. People get personal - that's on them (or you).

Create a Timeout Section in which only they can post. But limit it to two posts a day and no multiquoting there. They can be sent there for two weeks and post on anything they like, resort to characterizations or whatever. Length the stay with repeat infractions.

See what level of discourse that brings to the other threads. Invite all who were banned before this back.

The version of vBulletin that IE runs on is very limited, so (as Beau mentioned) we can't actually do any of this. For instance, I spent a good amount of time researching online and tinkering in the Admin panel to try to prevent a certain user from being able to post images. Turns out it's just not possible with our dated software.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

If you insist...

Regarding IE's mods, we try to keep the various subforums well-organized and the threads on-topic so people can find relevant information quickly and avoid subjects they're not interested in. But other than that, we're pretty hands off, and engage with the board just like regular posters. We don't typically have to don our mod hats until a post gets reported. And most of the time, the issue can be quickly defused by moving an off-topic post, gently suggesting that the parties de-escalate, or telling someone to chill via PM.

When a certain poster is either reporting or getting reported frequently, that's a pretty reliable indication that they're disruptive of the community and might need to be banned eventually, so we'll open a thread to discuss the issue in the Front Office (mod forum). Very few posters get their own thread there, and the vast majority who do end up perma-banned eventually. Regarding those who recently got the axe:

• Koon's thread was opened on 9/12/2014 and is 111 posts long; and that's not even counting a couple of side threads like "Koon v. Wooly". For reference, the next longest thread is irishpat's, which is only 86 posts long. He created more work for us (by far) than any other poster on this site, and it's frankly amazing we held off on banning him for as long as we did.

• Loomis' thread was opened on 3/27/2016 and is 45 posts long. Received several temporary bans since then, but just couldn't manage to be civil (especially in the political threads).
• Cali_Domer's thread was opened pretty recently, but after going back and looking through his posting history, it was clear we should have broached the topic much earlier (he posted infrequently enough to stay under our radar, though). His posts were uniformly negative, completely without substance, and rabidly anti-Kelly. We politely asked him to stop emotionally dumping on the board several times, but he told us off. Then he opted to side with loomis and Koon (who were already getting perma-banned) against the mods, which made it clear things weren't going to get better.

That's the "rap sheet" for each recently banned poster, and the first two were justified beyond a doubt. The door might be open for Cali to come back in the future, but he'd have to quit being such an anti-Kelly partisan. Some posters haveanxiety about the program, and they deal with it by posting here a lot. This community exists due to our shared love of NDFB, and as fans, it's not fun to read criticism of the team. That's why critical opinion of the program is held to a higher standard here; if it's irrational/ unsupported, it's just gonna piss people off. IE isn't your CFB group therapy session, and no one has the right to force us to deal with their insecurity about the program.

As for the political threads, I'm open to maybe nuking them. But I'm hesitant to do so for a couple reasons:

• I spend a lot more time here because of the political, theological, and cultural discussions than I would otherwise. And I've gotten a lot out of them, to be honest, and am much closer with some of you than I'd be if we limited our interactions to just football-related content.

• Of the "regrettable turnover" that may have been linked to heated arguments in the political threads (Cacky, wooly, Buster, NDinLA, etc.), most of them PMed me before leaving and explained that they: (1) were spending too much time on IE; and (2) were about to embark on a major life change (usually a new job); and (3) therefore wanted a permaban to avoid the temptation. None of them said, "hey, the political threads have ruined IE for me, so I'm leaving." If that were actually the case, they wouldn't have requested bans to ensure they stay away. They'd just sour on the community and stop logging in.

But I'm open to changing my mind on this.

(1) I laughed so hard at this. I've never been a fan of Koon's. I've felt for a very long time that, in this modern technological and social era, character is measured by your anonymous posting. I don't buy for a second that he's "good dude" outside of IE, else he wouldn't post the way he does. Same goes for everyone. It's a good to rule to live by: if you wouldn't say it in person, face-to-face, then don't say it online.

(2) I genuinely couldn't agree with you more regarding the political threads. I was going to avoid posting here until I read the bolded. I came to IE for the insider team and recruiting info, but since I've grown out of that, I've stayed because of the political threads. They are largely a place of intellectual and respectful discussion far beyond anything I've experience in my real world life regarding said topics. They do become a dumpster fire from time to time. However, it's this constant draw to these threads that has allowed me to learn and grow as a person. Hell, I give credit to you and Wiz for me switching my opinion and becoming more Pro-Life. This is my plea to not shut down those threads. And to all of us who do participate in those threads, we need to be respectful of differing opinions and to allow open and honest debate of topics. Remember sometimes it's ok to "agree to disagree."

Go Irish!

 

[Irish2155]

Just ask a mod. You don't have one. We never ban someone without giving them enough rope to hang themselves, so if a mod hasn't reached out to you via PM about knocking something off, then rest assured you're not on anyone's shit list.

My all-time favorite movie, btw.



The version of vBulletin that IE runs on is very limited, so (as Beau mentioned) we can't actually do any of this. For instance, I spent a good amount of time researching online and tinkering in the Admin panel to try to prevent a certain user from being able to post images. Turns out it's just not possible with our dated software.

Understood, answers my question.

 

[ACamp1900]

Just ask a mod. You don't have one. We never ban someone without giving them enough rope to hang themselves, so if a mod hasn't reached out to you via PM about knocking something off, then rest assured you're not on anyone's shit list.

My all-time favorite movie, btw.



The version of vBulletin that IE runs on is very limited, so (as Beau mentioned) we can't actually do any of this. For instance, I spent a good amount of time researching online and tinkering in the Admin panel to try to prevent a certain user from being able to post images. Turns out it's just not possible with our dated software.

Look into my eye is a fav quote in my family lol

 

[ACamp1900]

Understood, you answered my question.

Don’t let him off that easy,... demand better!!









....

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Don’t let him off that easy,... demand better!!

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Koon was an alright dude that sometimes went a bit far in his arguments. But there are plenty of others out here that do the same from time to time... including me in my earlier days on IE. I am going to miss the fact that Koon actually did bring some good points to his various conversations at times. I guess he just took this one too far... and that's a shame. Wish him the best of luck.

LOL

I still remember when Koon spent 4 hours trying to convince us that Kyren Williams was between 5'7" and 5'8" and 180 pounds based upon Koon looking at pictures. Lucky tried to get Koon to bet him his vbucks but of course Koon didn't take him up on it.

Dude would throw a ton of crap against the wall and if anything stuck, we wouldn't hear the end of it for a good two weeks.

 

[NDohio]

LOL

I still remember when Koon spent 4 hours trying to convince us that Kyren Williams was between 5'7" and 5'8" and 180 pounds based upon Koon looking at pictures. Lucky tried to get Koon to bet him his vbucks but of course Koon didn't take him up on it.

Dude would throw a ton of crap against the wall and if anything stuck, we wouldn't hear the end of it for a good two weeks.

Two weeks? That's being kind. I am fairly certain the final post he was getting ready to send when the ban hammer came down was that he was right about Longo.

For the record, I think the MODS do a nice job of balancing the board. Not too heavy handed and step in when things look to be turning ugly. It's a thankless job.

 

[NorthDakota]

If you insist...

Regarding IE's mods, we try to keep the various subforums well-organized and the threads on-topic so people can find relevant information quickly and avoid subjects they're not interested in. But other than that, we're pretty hands off, and engage with the board just like regular posters. We don't typically have to don our mod hats until a post gets reported. And most of the time, the issue can be quickly defused by moving an off-topic post, gently suggesting that the parties de-escalate, or telling someone to chill via PM.

When a certain poster is either reporting or getting reported frequently, that's a pretty reliable indication that they're disruptive of the community and might need to be banned eventually, so we'll open a thread to discuss the issue in the Front Office (mod forum). Very few posters get their own thread there, and the vast majority who do end up perma-banned eventually. Regarding those who recently got the axe:

• Koon's thread was opened on 9/12/2014 and is 111 posts long; and that's not even counting a couple of side threads like "Koon v. Wooly". For reference, the next longest thread is irishpat's, which is only 86 posts long. He created more work for us (by far) than any other poster on this site, and it's frankly amazing we held off on banning him for as long as we did.
• Loomis' thread was opened on 3/27/2016 and is 45 posts long. Received several temporary bans since then, but just couldn't manage to be civil (especially in the political threads).
• Cali_Domer's thread was opened pretty recently, but after going back and looking through his posting history, it was clear we should have broached the topic much earlier (he posted infrequently enough to stay under our radar, though). His posts were uniformly negative, completely without substance, and rabidly anti-Kelly. We politely asked him to stop emotionally dumping on the board several times, but he told us off. Then he opted to side with loomis and Koon (who were already getting perma-banned) against the mods, which made it clear things weren't going to get better.

That's the "rap sheet" for each recently banned poster, and the first two were justified beyond a doubt. The door might be open for Cali to come back in the future, but he'd have to quit being such an anti-Kelly partisan. Some posters have anxiety about the program, and they deal with it by posting here a lot. This community exists due to our shared love of NDFB, and as fans, it's not fun to read criticism of the team. That's why critical opinion of the program is held to a higher standard here; if it's irrational/ unsupported, it's just gonna piss people off. IE isn't your CFB group therapy session, and no one has the right to force us to deal with their insecurity about the program.

As for the political threads, I'm open to maybe nuking them. But I'm hesitant to do so for a couple reasons:

• I spend a lot more time here because of the political, theological, and cultural discussions than I would otherwise. And I've gotten a lot out of them, to be honest, and am much closer with some of you than I'd be if we limited our interactions to just football-related content.
• Of the "regrettable turnover" that may have been linked to heated arguments in the political threads (Cacky, wooly, Buster, NDinLA, etc.), most of them PMed me before leaving and explained that they: (1) were spending too much time on IE; and (2) were about to embark on a major life change (usually a new job); and (3) therefore wanted a permaban to avoid the temptation. None of them said, "hey, the political threads have ruined IE for me, so I'm leaving." If that were actually the case, they wouldn't have requested bans to ensure they stay away. They'd just sour on the community and stop logging in.

But I'm open to changing my mind on this.

Knowing there is a separate forum just for mods to talk about potentially banning someone...man that's wild. I'd rather have access to that than the nuclear football or the presidential book of secrets.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Knowing there is a separate forum just for mods to talk about potentially banning someone...man that's wild. I'd rather have access to that than the nuclear football or the presidential book of secrets.

Can we ask for transcripts under the freedom of information act?

 

[Legacy]

Just ask a mod. You don't have one. We never ban someone without giving them enough rope to hang themselves, so if a mod hasn't reached out to you via PM about knocking something off, then rest assured you're not on anyone's shit list.

My all-time favorite movie, btw.



The version of vBulletin that IE runs on is very limited, so (as Beau mentioned) we can't actually do any of this. For instance, I spent a good amount of time researching online and tinkering in the Admin panel to try to prevent a certain user from being able to post images. Turns out it's just not possible with our dated software.

Then dump the partisan political threads and bring Economics, Health, Environment, etc back into LL.