AP Top 25 (ND #11)

[drayer54]

If we go 5-1, that means we only lost one game between USC, NC State, Miami, Stanford and Navy... the only loss that would "look" bad would be Navy, but they may very well be 9-0 or 8-1 heading into the game against ND, and it also means you beat the other good opponents.

If ND is 10-2 after the back-half of the schedule, we've got a legit good squad on our hands, and one that should finally be able to compete with one of the big dogs in a NY6 game.

It's nice having these posts and not fire kelly posts.

This team isn't bad considering our QB weakness.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Has Elko coached against Navy? I feel like we can put a old school beat down on them this year for some reason. I want to drop 50 on them.

Nope, just Army. According to the II podcast, the team will be going through walkthroughs for Navy's option this week

 

[BobbyMac]

I don't agree with the bolded statement above. Auburn's offense was abysmal in their loss to Clemson. They gained 20 total yards in the 2nd half! Total game stats = 79 yards passing and 38 yards rushing. ND had 211 yards passing and 55 yards rushing against a statistically better defense, and was in a position to win for most of the game. ND wasn't over-matched. Auburn was.

I think ND has the best loss in the country. Does that make ND the best 1-loss team? I don't think so. I also think the Playoff Selection Committee has proven quality wins > best loss and I'm concerned with ND's quality wins when the dust settles in December. We may not have a win against a team better than 9-3 when all is said and done.

You don't believe Clemson is #1 by current resume?

If you look past the road vs home aspect of the loss and dissect the games themselves, I'll give you that it's debatable but what Auburn can do by winning out trumps what ND can do by winning out... even if MSU, SC/Stanford and Miami win their conference championships, Auburn beats Bama and most likely UGA 2x and the big diff between 12-1 and 11-1 is that last quality win.

 

[irishff1014]

2 weeks to prepare for USC. Our QB and Top 2 running backs get healthy. We need to go out against USC and put up 200 rushing yards so people see we are here wear you out. Hopefully with the bye it helps the QB and WR to gain some trust and gain some momentum.

But it if we are gonna compete with these teams coming up we need to get our special teams to help some.

 

[NDWorld247]

You don't believe Clemson is #1 by current resume?

If you look past the road vs home aspect of the loss and dissect the games themselves, I'll give you that it's debatable but what Auburn can do by winning out trumps what ND can do by winning out... even if MSU, SC/Stanford and Miami win their conference championships, Auburn beats Bama and most likely UGA 2x and the big diff between 12-1 and 11-1 is that last quality win.

I think Clemson being #1 is debatable. Certainly either #1 or #2 so I'll give it to you, but I don't think that automatically means Auburn has the best loss, which is what I was disagreeing with.

If Auburn wins out, they are in vs. a 1-loss ND because of the quality wins, not the loss, which was my other point. Auburn could've lost their first game to Georgia State and still get into the playoffs at 12-1. It's all about the quality wins.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I think Clemson being #1 is debatable. Certainly either #1 or #2 so I'll give it to you, but I don't think that automatically means Auburn has the best loss, which is what I was disagreeing with.

If Auburn wins out, they are in vs. a 1-loss ND because of the quality wins, not the loss, which was my other point. Auburn could've lost their first game to Georgia State and still get into the playoffs at 12-1. It's all about the quality wins.

Then you have a possibility of Georgia and Alabama at 11-1 then the conference title game.

 

[NDWorld247]

Then you have a possibility of Georgia and Alabama at 11-1 then the conference title game.

Right. Auburn winning out would probably be worst case scenario for ND. You could have SEC champ Auburn at 12-1, SEC runner-up Georgia at 11-2 (both losses to Auburn) and Alabama at 11-1. All 3 teams would probably have better claims than ND.

It's a good thing Auburn's offense isn't very good and their chances of winning out are slim.

 

[SoIll]

Noooooooooooooooooope.

Bama would have to lose two for ND to get in regardless of schedule. The dynasty and SEC favorability versus recent 4-8.

We're not going 6-0 anyways so I don't know why we're all getting our hopes up.

agreed

 

[irishog77]

agreed

Agreed as well. ND isn't going 6-0.






They're going 8-0

 

[NDohio]

I agree, which will make running the table even more impressive.

I don't want to see ND get blown out in the postseason again, so I'm more than okay with 5-1 if it comes with a bowl game against a team like 2015 Iowa. That'd be so sweet

If ND were to go 6-0 against the rest of this schedule I don't believe they would get blown out in any postseason game unless it's against Bama. Running the table from here on out would mean ND is a very, very good football team and can play with anybody.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yes. As of now, Pat Forde thinks that ND is the best 1-loss team

We will probably be the best two loss team at some point this season too.

 

[snoopdog]

Love it and I don't have a problem with his pick. ND has a better W while Auburn's L is better because it was on the road at the #1 team in the country (per resume). I still lean towards Auburn being the #1, 1 loss team because they control their destiny. As good as ND's remaining slate is, Auburn's is better because if they win out, they would have beaten @LSU, @A&M, UGA, Bama and then UGA (my guess) again in Atlanta. 12-1 with two W's over the team that beat you and Bama sounds like a death sentence from here.

Question then is... Would ND get voted in over Bama if a 1 loss team was in play? ND's schedule could look better than Bama's come December.

If Notre Dame finishes 11-1 and UGA wins the SEC with a win over Bama, Notre Dame absolutely gets picked over Bama.

 

[notredomer23]

If Notre Dame finishes 11-1 and UGA wins the SEC with a win over Bama, Notre Dame absolutely gets picked over Bama.

12-1 Bama gets in even if they lose to UGA. We gotta hope PSU loses and someone upset Wazzu or UW along the way before they play each other.

 

[Wingman Ray]

No way Bama loses to GA.

Saban is the best when it comes to post season prep. Plus GA just isnt THAT good. One sided offense with good defense.

 

[BobbyMac]

I think Clemson being #1 is debatable. Certainly either #1 or #2 so I'll give it to you, but I don't think that automatically means Auburn has the best loss, which is what I was disagreeing with.

If Auburn wins out, they are in vs. a 1-loss ND because of the quality wins, not the loss, which was my other point. Auburn could've lost their first game to Georgia State and still get into the playoffs at 12-1. It's all about the quality wins.

Their CURRENT RESUME is better than Bama's, that what I based that on and I noted it.

I didn't say anything about the quality loss mattering at the end of the year.

I'd like to see that tested. There's bad losses and there are disqualifiers. If the other 4 P5 Champs were all undefeated, that loss sends Auburn home IMO. If their loss is still to Clemson, they bump undefeated TCU, once again IMO.

If were talking Auburn vs ND... with AU losing to GaSo then running the SEC table, they'd still have beaten UGA once, probably twice so that trumps ND in my book. Throw in a home win over #1 or #2 Bama for a cherry on top.

But what if the above plays out, TCU is undefeated and MSU, Miami and SC/Stanford win their conferences... 12-0 TCU, 12-1 Auburn, 11-1 Bama & 11-1 ND are in the playoffs.

My favorite time of the year... the weeks leading up to ND's second loss. lol

 

[koonja]

Does resume matter to the CFB committee? I'm pretty sure they're asked to choose the best teams, not the best resumes. Sometimes they're the same, sometimes they're not.

If ND wins out, no team besides Bama scares me. To win out, we're a top 5 team without a doubt. I think Bama beats Clemson if they play.

 

[BobbyMac]

If ND were to go 6-0 against the rest of this schedule I don't believe they would get blown out in any postseason game unless it's against Bama. Running the table from here on out would mean ND is a very, very good football team and can play with anybody.

I think I agree but I'm pretty sure I said something along those lines 5 years ago too.

We will probably be the best two loss team at some point this season too.

Vegas says you are correct sir and I wouldn't bet my knot hole against you.

If Notre Dame finishes 11-1 and UGA wins the SEC with a win over Bama, Notre Dame absolutely gets picked over Bama.

Why does an 11-1 ND who loses to UGA at home 20-19 get in over a 12-1 Bama who loses in the SEC Championship on a neutral field 20-19? We have no idea what each team's opponents will do with the second half of their schedules.

12-1 Bama gets in even if they lose to UGA. We gotta hope PSU loses and someone upset Wazzu or UW along the way before they play each other.

12-1 Bama doesn't get in if Clemson, Washington, PSU and TCU are undefeated

PSU doesn't have to lose for ND to get into the playoffs. It would help especially if that loss is to MSU.

Wazzu and UDub can be undefeated when they play, if they lose to SC in the Championship game.

No way Bama loses to GA.

Saban is the best when it comes to post season prep. Plus GA just isnt THAT good. One sided offense with good defense.

Troy will never beat LSU in Death Valley, Navy will never beat ND past the 60's, App State will never beat Michigan.

UGA beating Bama in Atlanta is much more likely than the above and currently, Dabo is the best at post season prep. Ask Saban and Meyer.

 

[koonja]

If ND doesn't get in at 11-1, I'll permanently leave the site.

ND will absolutely be in at 11-1. Even if there exists scenarios that'd keep them out, they'll never happen. There have been 2 loss teams in the final week that thought they had a chance to get in. A 1 loss team with this SOS is in, period.

 

[BobbyMac]

Does resume matter to the CFB committee? I'm pretty sure they're asked to choose the best teams, not the best resumes. Sometimes they're the same, sometimes they're not.

If ND wins out, no team besides Bama scares me. To win out, we're a top 5 team without a doubt. I think Bama beats Clemson if they play.

I think the committee's stated goal is to select the 4 best teams come selection time. As you said, the resumes and the best teams are often the same. I could however see a team being the best in the country but having 2 losses because their Vince Young type QB got injured or some kind of mass suspension. They aren't getting in as long as we have a 4 team playoff and even then I can come up with a scenario where ND could get in with 2 loses. (That's the power of being able to beat the Champs of the PAC, B1G, ACC, SEC/Big12 and AAC in the same year.)

 

[BobbyMac]

If ND doesn't get in at 11-1, I'll permanently leave the site.

ND will absolutely be in at 11-1. Even if there exists scenarios that'd keep them out, they'll never happen. There have been 2 loss teams in the final week that thought they had a chance to get in. A 1 loss team with this SOS is in, period.

If Clemson, Bama, PSU, Washington and TCU go undefeated, you'll be schleppin threads at NDNation. Period.

 

[koonja]

If Clemson, Bama, PSU, Washington and TCU go undefeated, you'll be schleppin threads at NDNation. Period.

These are the scenarios I'm talking about. They just won't all happen. But if they did I'd be moving up in the world.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

If Clemson, Bama, PSU, Washington and TCU go undefeated, you'll be schleppin threads at NDNation. Period.

I will bet every vbuck I have no more than two teams go undefeated.

 

[BobbyMac]

These are the scenarios I'm talking about. They just won't all happen. But if they did I'd be moving up in the world.

Then why waste time saying if ND goes 11-1? Those other teams have just as good, if not better of a chance of going undefeated than ND does to 11-1. (Besides PSU, I think they're in trouble w/ Michigan, @OSU, @MSU three weeks in a row)

I will bet every vbuck I have no more than two teams go undefeated.

Bet on. More than 2 teams will be undefeated this year.

 

[stlnd01]

Then why waste time saying if ND goes 11-1? Those other teams have just as good, if not better of a chance of going undefeated than ND does to 11-1. (Besides PSU, I think they're in trouble w/ Michigan, @OSU, @MSU three weeks in a row)



Bet on. More than 2 teams will be undefeated this year.

It has been seven years since more than one team finished the season undefeated. It's just so hard to do. What makes you think three will pull it off this year?

 

[BobbyMac]

It has been seven years since more than one team finished the season undefeated. It's just so hard to do. What makes you think three will pull it off this year?

Just got a feeling... and I'm turning bookies into cookies this season.

 

[snoopdog]

I think I agree but I'm pretty sure I said something along those lines 5 years ago too.



Vegas says you are correct sir and I wouldn't bet my knot hole against you.



Why does an 11-1 ND who loses to UGA at home 20-19 get in over a 12-1 Bama who loses in the SEC Championship on a neutral field 20-19? We have no idea what each team's opponents will do with the second half of their schedules.




12-1 Bama doesn't get in if Clemson, Washington, PSU and TCU are undefeated

PSU doesn't have to lose for ND to get into the playoffs. It would help especially if that loss is to MSU.

Wazzu and UDub can be undefeated when they play, if they lose to SC in the Championship game.



Troy will never beat LSU in Death Valley, Navy will never beat ND past the 60's, App State will never beat Michigan.

UGA beating Bama in Atlanta is much more likely than the above and currently, Dabo is the best at post season prep. Ask Saban and Meyer.

Why does 11-1 ND Trump 12-1 Bama? A number of reasons

1) timing. Notre Dame has just had a 9-0 run whereas Bama is 0-1.

2) schedule. Bama has scheduled two cupcake wins, whereas ND has a legitimate 12 game schedule.

3) all things being equal ( which they aren’t) it would be horrible optics to send two teams from the sec

4) Notre Dame will have demonstrated improvement throughout the season by finishing 9-0 against that rigorous schedule

5) Notre Dame is the better team....nuff said. ( could have said some internet by just starting and stopping at 5)

 

[NDohio]

If ND were to go 6-0 against the rest of this schedule I don't believe they would get blown out in any postseason game unless it's against Bama. Running the table from here on out would mean ND is a very, very good football team and can play with anybody.

I think I agree but I'm pretty sure I said something along those lines 5 years ago too.

Yep - and if we had played anybody other than 'Bama that year we have another national championship.

 

[BobbyMac]

Why does 11-1 ND Trump 12-1 Bama? A number of reasons

1) timing. Notre Dame has just had a 9-0 run whereas Bama is 0-1.

2) schedule. Bama has scheduled two cupcake wins, whereas ND has a legitimate 12 game schedule.

3) all things being equal ( which they aren’t) it would be horrible optics to send two teams from the sec

4) Notre Dame will have demonstrated improvement throughout the season by finishing 9-0 against that rigorous schedule

5) Notre Dame is the better team....nuff said. ( could have said some internet by just starting and stopping at 5)

1) Does that matter to the committee? The committee is looking for the best 4 teams, if team #4 is Bama and they just lost to team #3 UGA by one on a neutral site that's better than ND losing to #15 UGA at home.

2) Is Fresno St and Mercer really that much worse than Temple and Miami U? Mercer lost 24-10 at Auburn. Fresno's losses are to Bama and UDub.

What's worse? Fresno, Mercer, Vandy, Ole Miss or Temple, Miami U, UNC, BC?

3) You're right, all things aren't equal. Sometimes two of the best teams are in the same conference, possibly the same division of the same conference.

4) You covered this in 1)

5) CWhen you're right, you're right. Can confirm, you flipped me. Snoop 1 - Crusader 0

 

[greyhammer90]

Yep - and if we had played anybody other than 'Bama that year we have another national championship.

I still dream of getting to watch Collin Klien try to run spread option against that 2012 defense. We would've killed them.

 

[koonja]

I still dream of getting to watch Collin Klien try to run spread option against that 2012 defense. We would've killed them.

While I think KSU we beat, I think if Georgia tops Bama we lose to Georgia in pretty bad fashion too.