AP Top 25 (ND #11)

[T Town Tommy]

We're already discussing playoff berth? ������

Two games too early for that talk.

 

[BobbyMac]

Two games too early for that talk.

Right now, do you think there is any possibility Bama could lose the Iron bowl and still make the playoffs?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Right now, do you think there is any possibility Bama could lose the Iron bowl and still make the playoffs?

Not right now. They would probably be the highest ranked one loss team in that situation, but until the playoff committee meets and gives us some indication of how they think, I have to go with one loss conference champs over Bama.

 

[RDU Irish]

Right now, do you think there is any possibility Bama could lose the Iron bowl and still make the playoffs?

SEC comes down to who wins the championship game - they are in and the talk has to be around an 11-1 or 12-1 SEC runner up who also gets in. To me that requires some underdog upsets in conference championships (last year that would have been Florida beating Bama or Va Tech beating Clemson, maybe #9 and two loss Colorado beating #5 Washington). I don't see a second SEC team getting in over a one loss ND or a one loss P5 conference champion. Conference championships have to be looked at a play in game - losing that late with it all on the line should not be rewarded unless everyone else sucks bad enough.

WTF - totally forgot Colorado was ranked that high, finished 10-4 so might be why they were easy to forget. Reps for beating Michigan down though.

 

[stlnd01]

Right now, do you think there is any possibility Bama could lose the Iron bowl and still make the playoffs?

Would need some help, but say Auburn loses to Georgia and A&M or LSU, then beats Alabama in the Iron Bowl. Alabama still wins the SEC West b/c Auburn has two SEC losses. Then Alabama beats undefeated Georgia in the SEC title game. Alabama goes to the playoff.

Of course, say Auburn loses to Georgia in the regular season, then beats Alabama and Georgia in the Iron Bowl and SEC title game. Now you've got a two-loss conference champ who has just beaten the other two best teams. Does anyone from the SEC go?

 

[BobbyMac]

Would need some help, but say Auburn loses to Georgia and A&M or LSU, then beats Alabama in the Iron Bowl. Alabama still wins the SEC West b/c Auburn has two SEC losses. Then Alabama beats undefeated Georgia in the SEC title game. Alabama goes to the playoff.

Of course, say Auburn loses to Georgia in the regular season, then beats Alabama and Georgia in the Iron Bowl and SEC title game. Now you've got a two-loss conference champ who has just beaten the other two best teams. Does anyone from the SEC go?

They wouldn't if I was in the selection room. Losses have meanings.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Two games too early for that talk.

Exactly, these next two games ND plays will be the top 2 o 3 (Miami) hardest games ND has left on their schedule.
Win these next two games then I will get excited, until then keep the hype away and let this team do what they have been doing since the UGA game. Going to work every Saturday and fly under the radar.

 

[BobbyMac]

Exactly, these next two games ND plays will be the top 2 o 3 (Miami) hardest games ND has left on their schedule.
Win these next two games then I will get excited, until then keep the hype away and let this team do what they have been doing since the UGA game. Going to work every Saturday and fly under the radar.

Like "hype" is some negative force that destroys those who look to the future with anticipation and positive expectations.

One of the best things about college football is once there are only 20 or so 1 or no loss teams, you can actually identify a shrinking # of teams each week that still have a chance and the paths each has and breaks each needs.

If UGA would have trucked them by 3 TD's, if MSU was 1-5 when ND went up there and if back half of the schedule had a SOS in the 100's, there would be no hype. But that's not the case.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Like "hype" is some negative force that destroys those who look to the future with anticipation and positive expectations.

One of the best things about college football is once there are only 20 or so 1 or no loss teams, you can actually identify a shrinking # of teams each week that still have a chance and the paths each has and breaks each needs.

If UGA would have trucked them by 3 TD's, if MSU was 1-5 when ND went up there and if back half of the schedule had a SOS in the 100's, there would be no hype. But that's not the case.

Good grief, really? You're ticked off b/c I'm saying pump the breaks until after these next two games? Just b/c I want to be cautious due to the fact that we play two very very tough back to back games doesn't mean I think ND is a bad team, I just want to get over this hump before I get all hammered on the green kook aid.

 

[koonja]

Good grief, really? You're ticked off b/c I'm saying pump the breaks until after these next two games? Just b/c I want to be cautious due to the fact that we play two very very tough back to back games doesn't mean I think ND is a bad team, I just want to get over this hump before I get all hammered on the green kook aid.

Joe are you ready to get hammered on Friday? That's the real question.

 

[GoldenDomer]

My sole focus besides ND running the table is pulling for Georgia. The better their record is, the better a single one point loss to them looks.

 

[koonja]

My sole focus besides ND running the table is pulling for Georgia. The better their record is, the better a single one point loss to them looks.

Obviously we want Georgia to win, but even if they go 9-3, we're fine if we go 11-1. Committee has proven they care a hell of a lot more about good wins than good losses. OSU went while losing to a 7 win team at home. There are other examples too.

I'd rather Georgia go 8-4 nd we beat USC and NC State and Miami by 14- 21 each, than Georgia go 13-0 and we beat USC/NC state/Miami by 3-7.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I think we should just worry enough about ND going 11-1 and everything will be everything.

 

[BobbyMac]

Good grief, really? You're ticked off b/c I'm saying pump the breaks until after these next two games? Just b/c I want to be cautious due to the fact that we play two very very tough back to back games doesn't mean I think ND is a bad team, I just want to get over this hump before I get all hammered on the green kook aid.

I'm not the least bit upset, don't know why you'd think that?

Why do you want others to pump the brakes though? Why do you want to be cautious? Do you think talking about positive scenarios that could happen in favor of the Irish and a potential run at the playoffs are going to have some effect on the universe's ying and yang? I may have missed someone in this thread who guaranteed the Irish are in the playoffs, if that happened then someone is wacked out on the kook-aid. If not, it's perfectly reasonable for to discuss the what ifs. There's about 20 teams that have a shot at the playoffs and 2/3's of them will knock each other out between now and Dec.

 

[snoopdog]

Right now, do you think there is any possibility Bama could lose the Iron bowl and still make the playoffs?

Bama could lose the Iron Bowl and still win the SEC

 

[BobbyMac]

Bama could lose the Iron Bowl and still win the SEC

Absolutely. And a one loss Bama beating an undefeated UGA would be no bueno.

 

[Irish YJ]

My sole focus besides ND running the table is pulling for Georgia. The better their record is, the better a single one point loss to them looks.

Me thinks UGA will end up with two losses (@Auburn, and Bama in the SEC Champ). I do absolutely hope they run the table though.... Wild card team is Auburn IMO. They get both UGA and Bama at home. I could see a two loss Auburn getting the nod if their two losses are @Clemson (14-6) and Bama (close loss and Bama ends up undefeated). There are just all kinds of possible outcomes when it comes to those 3 teams. Not crazy to think a two loss team might get the SEC/ESPN nod over a one loss team.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I'm not the least bit upset, don't know why you'd think that?

Why do you want others to pump the brakes though? Why do you want to be cautious? Do you think talking about positive scenarios that could happen in favor of the Irish and a potential run at the playoffs are going to have some effect on the universe's ying and yang? I may have missed someone in this thread who guaranteed the Irish are in the playoffs, if that happened then someone is wacked out on the kook-aid. If not, it's perfectly reasonable for to discuss the what ifs. There's about 20 teams that have a shot at the playoffs and 2/3's of them will knock each other out between now and Dec.

Sorry, ND has broken my heart too many times . I just want to get through these games before I get belligerent and piss myself.

Not saying people are wrong in saying a 11-1 ND make the playoff, I actually think that can happen. Just need to get through these games and see how the football landscape shakes out. Lots of football left to be played.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Joe are you ready to get hammered on Friday? That's the real question.

You have no idea!

 

[stlnd01]

Absolutely. And a one loss Bama beating an undefeated UGA would be no bueno.

Andy Staples from SI today was floating a scenario where we go 11-1 and undefeated Georgia beats undefeated Alabama for the SEC title. They both go to the playoff and so do we, leaving four conferences to scramble for the one leftover spot. Would be fun, anyway.

 

[BobbyMac]

Me thinks UGA will end up with two losses (@Auburn, and Bama in the SEC Champ). I do absolutely hope they run the table though.... Wild card team is Auburn IMO. They get both UGA and Bama at home. I could see a two loss Auburn getting the nod if their two losses are @Clemson (14-6) and Bama (close loss and Bama ends up undefeated). There are just all kinds of possible outcomes when it comes to those 3 teams. Not crazy to think a two loss team might get the SEC/ESPN nod over a one loss team.

I'm not sure the committee would put an 11-2 SEC champion Auburn w/ wins vs UGA (2) & Bama (lets call it on a last second FG) but losses @Clemson and @any SEC-W opponent gets in over Bama. lol

I'd never put a 2 loss SEC Champ in over a 1 loss P5 champ. If they don't like it, go join the Big-12.

 

[BobbyMac]

Andy Staples from SI today was floating a scenario where we go 11-1 and undefeated Georgia beats undefeated Alabama for the SEC title. They both go to the playoff and so do we, leaving four conferences to scramble for the one leftover spot. Would be fun, anyway.

If the above holds true and then:

SC wins the PAC

Wiscy loses to Michigan then wins the B1G.

TCU loses

ND is guaranteed in... and I'm not 100% sure TCU even has to lose.

 

[dwshade]

Two games too early for that talk.

Agreed. Too many big games coming up to even begin thinking about playoffs. We still have 50% of the season yet to play.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Joe are you ready to get hammered on Friday? That's the real question.

I think his only logical response is 'are you ready to get nailed'

 

[RallySonsOfND]

If the above holds true and then:

SC wins the PAC

Wiscy loses to Michigan then wins the B1G.

TCU loses

ND is guaranteed in... and I'm not 100% sure TCU even has to lose.

Why? If they run the table in the Big 12 and then win the Big 12 championship game they'll be at 13-0. I can't see ND getting in over that.

 

[BobbyMac]

Why? If they run the table in the Big 12 and then win the Big 12 championship game they'll be at 13-0. I can't see ND getting in over that.

Wow. I thought that didn't start back up until next year. How did I sleep through that one?

Thanks Rally.

 

[philipm31]

Why? If they run the table in the Big 12 and then win the Big 12 championship game they'll be at 13-0. I can't see ND getting in over that.

Yeah, TCU is in if they run the table and win the CCG. ND needs UGA to beat everyone, and not lose again. Pummeling USC and Miami would be helpful too. Do that and ND has a much better argument, but frankly, ND needs to be undefeated to be considered a legitimate CFP hopeful. Just look at all these scenarios where we talk about a 2-loss Auburn team beating out ND for a spot in the CFP, or heck maybe 2 SEC teams going, because if the only loss Bama has is to Auburn, they are going to the CFP too. So, an undefeated ND is the only way ND has a legitimate argument. Talking about the "best loss" stuff is stupid. ND should not have to always depend on this kind of thinking. I personally think if UGA gets SHELLED by Bama in the SEC CCG, which I think they will, then ND looks worse. And let us hope they just throttle Florida, because if they lose to a horrid Gator team, then ND is automatically out as a contender. Just too early to even consider this, actually.

 

[philipm31]

 

[T Town Tommy]

Heather Dinich. I'm not a fan of her opinion 99% of the time, and I'm not a fan of her face 100% of the time.

On the other hand, this Lauren Rutledge chick with Paul looks very bangable.

Dinich is certainly anti Bama.

And , much like Finebaum, she certainly has a face for radio.

Now... if the debate comes down to an 11-1 Bama vs an 11-1 Notre Dame, I certainly believe ND would and should get the nod. The Irish's resume would be more impressive this year IMO. But... too much football to play to start the what ifs.

 

[GATTACA!]

Dinich is certainly anti Bama.

And , much like Finebaum, she certainly has a face for radio.

Now... if the debate comes down to an 11-1 Bama vs an 11-1 Notre Dame, I certainly believe ND would and should get the nod. The Irish's resume would be more impressive this year IMO. But... too much football to play to start the what ifs.

11-1 sec champion Alabama or 11-1 Alabama that lost in the sec championship game? I think ND only gets in over the latter.