'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[BobbyMac]

dawha??

Oh there you are... You must've been out tending to your flock of crickets.

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[ACamp1900]

Oh there you are... You must've been out tending to your flock of crickets.

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Okay, what did I miss??... some post of yours?

 

[Irishbounty28]

Golson is going to beastmode this year, I feel it in my gizzards. Hopefully he has a great year and gets drafted. On the flip side, I hope even more that Malik takes charge and carries us to some big wins. Should be a fun year to watch football. I CAN"T WAIT!!!

 

[Circa]

Is there a way to get that ticker on one's phone. Haha....

Iphone has It in the middle top, a bit small but readable. Look for the :

 

[dad4aa]

Iphone has It in the middle top, a bit small but readable. Look for the :

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[stlnd01]

Golson is going to beastmode this year, I feel it in my gizzards. Hopefully he has a great year and gets drafted. On the flip side, I hope even more that Malik takes charge and carries us to some big wins. Should be a fun year to watch football. I CAN"T WAIT!!!

Oh, I dunno about Golson and beastmode. I think in some ways transferring to FSU puts even more pressure on himself (big shoes to fill, probably even higher expectations than here), and he seems to play best when he's loose. But I'm certainly hoping the best for him, which would include being drafted. I just hope MZ refines his passing game some. If he does, we'll be fine.

 

[dublinirish]

HS coach: backup QB John Franklin transferring from FSU | CollegeFootballTalk

also Grayson Lambert looks like being UGA and UF's 2nd choice after missing out on EG

Ex-Virginia QB Greyson Lambert to visit Florida, Georgia | CollegeFootballTalk

 

[Irish#1]

Very nice!! Going to make my annual trip to Hilton Head and watch from the beach. Have been going there for 10+ years with a few exceptions. The only times I didn't go, we lost. Belize trip was a loss to USF, St. Pete was a loss to GA Tech. Won't be deviating again until we open with a D2 team lol.

And all these years, I kept asking myself, "How in the hell did we lose to these teams?"

 

[Irish#1]

HS coach: backup QB John Franklin transferring from FSU | CollegeFootballTalk

also Grayson Lambert looks like being UGA and UF's 2nd choice after missing out on EG

Ex-Virginia QB Greyson Lambert to visit Florida, Georgia | CollegeFootballTalk

The "push for playing time" comment got me thinking. EG will need to learn a new playbook. I wonder how quick he'll pick it up to the point he can challenge for the starters position? I guess we'll see if a lot of those timeouts taken were because BK didn't get the play in fast enough or was due to EG not understanding the play.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Longhorns?src=hash">#Longhorns</a> coach Charlie Strong said Everett Golson did contact him. Texas topped his transfer list. Didn't work out because ND blocked him</p>— Anwar Richardson (@AnwarRichardson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/606185221910720512">June 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

It makes sense that UT would want him,
It makes sense EG would want to go there,
It makes sense ND would block it.

I even seem to remember EG saying he totally understood why ND would block that... not surprising and a non issue imo.

 

[greyhammer90]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Longhorns?src=hash">#Longhorns</a> coach Charlie Strong said Everett Golson did contact him. Texas topped his transfer list. Didn't work out because ND blocked him</p>— Anwar Richardson (@AnwarRichardson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/606185221910720512">June 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[woolybug25]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Longhorns?src=hash">#Longhorns</a> coach Charlie Strong said Everett Golson did contact him. Texas topped his transfer list. Didn't work out because ND blocked him</p>— Anwar Richardson (@AnwarRichardson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnwarRichardson/status/606185221910720512">June 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If this is true, I really don't care. They had the right to block him, thems the brakes...

That being said, I am still not sold that they actually blocked him. I think Golson talked to Strong, then informed BK about his desire to transfer and BK told him that they would block UT. Then Golson pursued other schools. Intent and Action are two different things. If he would have tried to pursue the act of the transfer, then ND would have acted on their intent of blocking him.

Semantics, I suppose.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Golson going back to ND for week 1? That'd be a recipe for disaster on his end, regardless of the rest of the schedule.

 

[stlnd01]

If this is true, I really don't care. They had the right to block him, thems the brakes...

That being said, I am still not sold that they actually blocked him. I think Golson talked to Strong, then informed BK about his desire to transfer and BK told him that they would block UT. Then Golson pursued other schools. Intent and Action are two different things. If he would have tried to pursue the act of the transfer, then ND would have acted on their intent of blocking him.

Semantics, I suppose.

Seems a likely scenario. And it is kind of semantics. But whatever. I have no problem with us blocking our QB transferring to our first-game opponent, nor would I hold it against Texas for doing the same re: us.

 

[connor_in]

If this is true, I really don't care. They had the right to block him, thems the brakes...

That being said, I am still not sold that they actually blocked him. I think Golson talked to Strong, then informed BK about his desire to transfer and BK told him that they would block UT. Then Golson pursued other schools. Intent and Action are two different things. If he would have tried to pursue the act of the transfer, then ND would have acted on their intent of blocking him.

Semantics, I suppose.

 

[IrishLax]

Just factually not true. People really need to check their facts. First of all, ND didn't block Golson from anywhere. They would have tried to block Golson if he attempted to go to Texas. ND let him know that. He never filed paperwork to be allowed to transfer to Texas, and was never blocked.

If he was blocked from transferring to Texas there would be a paper record of it. And there isn't. We're talking about legal paperwork that gets filed with the NCAA.

Texas did not top Golson's list. From the very beginning, everyone who knew anything knew he was headed to FSU. Every single insider worth a damn said FSU from Day 1. And they were all correct.

Did Golson tell Strong/Texas they were "at the top of his list"? Probably. He said similar stuff to South Carolina and Georgia, among other places. He's not going to say to someone "I have lukewarm interest in your school."

 

[ulukinatme]

Golson going back to ND for week 1? That'd be a recipe for disaster on his end, regardless of the rest of the schedule.

I dunno. We would still be favored I think, but the weak link at Texas is certainly at the QB position. The OL isn't particularly great either, but they'll get there. I have a very good feeling Strong will have that program in a good place in another year or two, and Golson could have helped them make a serious step up if he would have went there. I'm glad he got blocked though, and I'm surprised they were so high on his list given how much he thinks of his former players supposedly. I would hate to play against my former team mates, win or lose. Maybe that's why they ratted him out to BK, they weren't as close as we were led to believe.

 

[stlnd01]

Maybe that's why they ratted him out to BK, they weren't as close as we were led to believe.

Huh?

 

[Wild Bill]

I dunno. We would still be favored I think, but the weak link at Texas is certainly at the QB position. The OL isn't particularly great either, but they'll get there. I have a very good feeling Strong will have that program in a good place in another year or two, and Golson could have helped them make a serious step up if he would have went there. I'm glad he got blocked though, and I'm surprised they were so high on his list given how much he thinks of his former players supposedly. I would hate to play against my former team mates, win or lose. Maybe that's why they ratted him out to BK, they weren't as close as we were led to believe.

Go on...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Just factually not true. People really need to check their facts. First of all, ND didn't block Golson from anywhere. They would have tried to block Golson if he attempted to go to Texas. ND let him know that. He never filed paperwork to be allowed to transfer to Texas, and was never blocked.

That's really a distinction without a difference. If ND told him that they would block him if he filed the paperwork, why file the paperwork?

 

[IrishLax]

That's really a distinction without a difference. If ND told him that they would block him if he filed the paperwork, why file the paperwork?

Disagree.

If he really wanted to go to Texas, then he would have at least formally requested a release to there.

The truth is that while ND could've tried to block him going to Texas they likely wouldn't have been successful. Golson didn't push for it, because his number one choice was FSU, and ND gave him the green light for that from the beginning.

There's a difference between:
Golson: Here are some schools I have interest in.
ND: OK well we really don't want you going to Texas, but we're fine with all the others.
Golson: That's fine. I want to go to FSU.

And the bullsh*t Strong just put out there:
Golson: Texas is my #1 school and I'm transferring to Texas.
ND: OK well we're filing paperwork to block that transfer. Pick a second choice.
Golson: Alright I guess I'll go to FSU.

The two scenarios are more different than semantics.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Disagree.

If he really wanted to go to Texas, then he would have at least formally requested a release to there.

The truth is that while ND could've tried to block him going to Texas they likely wouldn't have been successful. Golson didn't push for it, because his number one choice was FSU, and ND gave him the green light for that from the beginning.

There's a difference between:
Golson: Here are some schools I have interest in.
ND: OK well we really don't want you going to Texas, but we're fine with all the others.
Golson: That's fine. I want to go to FSU.

And the bullsh*t Strong just put out there:
Golson: Texas is my #1 school and I'm transferring to Texas.
ND: OK well we're filing paperwork to block that transfer. Pick a second choice.
Golson: Alright I guess I'll go to FSU.

The two scenarios are more different than semantics.

Why wouldn't they have been successful if they had tried to block Texas? Not arguing...just curious.

 

[WestCoast]

That's really a distinction without a difference. If ND told him that they would block him if he filed the paperwork, why file the paperwork?

I think there is a difference based on the facts presented.

1) Charlie Strong said Everett Golson did contact him.
2) Texas topped his transfer list.
3) Didn't work out because ND blocked him

The cause and effect is assumed, not proven.

Let's assume I am standing in an airport terminal. I am facing 3 gates, all with flights leaving to Hawaii. While standing in front of gate A, I say out loud, "Woo hoo, I'm going to Hawaii." The boarding agent looks at my ticket and says, "If you try to board this plane, I will call security." I walk to gate B and get on that plane. Did the agent "block" me from entering gate A? No. All I said was I am going to Hawaii. But I never intended to enter gate A.

Charlie Strong's statement assumes more than what statement B represents. As was pointed out earlier, Golson would not have called other schools and said "You're somewhere in the middle of my list," or "You're pretty close to the bottom." I don't think it is proven that Golson decided to attend Texas and but for ND saying it would block him, he would have actually gone there.

 

[stlnd01]

I think there is a difference based on the facts presented.

1) Charlie Strong said Everett Golson did contact him.
2) Texas topped his transfer list.
3) Didn't work out because ND blocked him

The cause and effect is assumed, not proven.

Let's assume I am standing in an airport terminal. I am facing 3 gates, all with flights leaving to Hawaii. While standing in front of gate A, I say out loud, "Woo hoo, I'm going to Hawaii." The boarding agent looks at my ticket and says, "If you try to board this plane, I will call security." I walk to gate B and get on that plane. Did the agent "block" me from entering gate A? No. All I said was I am going to Hawaii. But I never intended to enter gate A.

Charlie Strong's statement assumes more than what statement B represents. As was pointed out earlier, Golson would not have called other schools and said "You're somewhere in the middle of my list," or "You're pretty close to the bottom." I don't think it is proven that Golson decided to attend Texas and but for ND saying it would block him, he would have actually gone there.

Aside from the reported, after-the-fact, word of Charlie Strong, do we have any reason to believe Texas was Golson's clear #1 choice? As opposed to one of several big-name programs he was shopping himself to?

I mean, it's not like he's from Texas or has any particular ties to that program. And it's not like his fallback was Podunk U. If Golson had really wanted to go to Texas, it's only logical that we would have discouraged the idea, but he perhaps could have fought to make it happen. And he seems to have landed on his feet.

The only person making a thing of this is Strong.

 

[Circa]

All I'm taking away from this. Charlie has some QB issues. Future excuses are wayward.

 

[NDohio]

Charlie Strong with the gamesmanship.

 

[ulukinatme]

Huh?

When some of the players found out Everett was definitely transferring they broke the news to BK.

 

[stlnd01]

When some of the players found out Everett was definitely transferring they broke the news to BK.

Just curious. When was that? After spring ball, I assume?

 

[IrishLax]

Why wouldn't they have been successful if they had tried to block Texas? Not arguing...just curious.

My understanding is that you can get around a school's attempt to block you as a graduate student transfer if the following conditions are met:
1) You have a degree.
2) You complete a waiver detailing how the school you're transferring to has a graduate program that your current school doesn't have OR you weren't admitted to.

Given that Texas is a large state school, my understanding is that it is quite easy to pick a program that ND doesn't have and use that as your excuse with pretty much guaranteed success.

I'm not positive that all of the above is letter-of-the-law correct but I knew someone 2 years ago who transferred as a graduate student and that's what he said he did.