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irishfan said:
So the line has gone from -13 to -9.5 or -10 at most places. Odd.
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I don't know, we only beat Purdue by 16 in practically a home game. I think cuse is better than the boilermakers and it's our first road game of year.
 
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I still don't consider this a road game. There Wil be way more Irish fans than orange fans
 
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irishfan said:
So the line has gone from -13 to -9.5 or -10 at most places. Odd.
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A line moving in one direction or another is all about enticing betting, not actually where Vegas thinks the game will end. With it shifting down, they were getting too much action on Cuse, so they bought the line down to pump up the ND bets. I've discussed it in the past but I know Lax has a great explanation of it as well. That's why it drives me nuts when people talk about Vegas lines like they are actually what the expected outcome is supposed to be. All they are is to promote even betting so the books don't lose money.
 
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peoriairish said:
A line moving in one direction or another is all about enticing betting, not actually where Vegas thinks the game will end. With it shifting down, they were getting too much action on Cuse, so they bought the line down to pump up the ND bets. I've discussed it in the past but I know Lax has a great explanation of it as well. That's why it drives me nuts when people talk about Vegas lines like they are actually what the expected outcome is supposed to be. All they are is to promote even betting so the books don't lose money.
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I am very well aware of how lines work. I think its odd that there has been a 3+ point swing in just a couple of days, especially when common sense would say that we certainly SHOULD beat Cuse by more than 10 points.

Its just disconcerting that the betting public thinks so highly of Cuse for some reason. I'm easily paranoid when it comes to ND, but it makes me think there's going to be some sort of undisclosed injury or suspension or something because I really don't think that spread dropping 3/3.5 points in 2-3 days makes much sense at all. Especially since we're coming off of a bye, got relatively good injury news off that bye week, and Cuse lost a starting WR which was announced this week. Just doesn't add up for such a large spread change.
 
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irishfan said:
I am very well aware of how lines work. I think its odd that there has been a 3+ point swing in just a couple of days, especially when common sense would say that we certainly SHOULD beat Cuse by more than 10 points.

Its just disconcerting that the betting public thinks so highly of Cuse for some reason. I'm easily paranoid when it comes to ND, but it makes me think there's going to be some sort of undisclosed injury or suspension or something because I really don't think that spread dropping 3/3.5 points in 2-3 days makes much sense at all. Especially since we're coming off of a bye, got relatively good injury news off that bye week, and Cuse lost a starting WR which was announced this week. Just doesn't add up for such a large spread change.
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We struggled with a horrible Purdue team and Syracuse is a good team. Syracuse will play close, even though it t really shouldn't be when talent compared on paper.
 
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NDdomer2 said:
Fans don't make it road or home IMO, its the travel, sleeping in hotel, etc. At least IMO.
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FWIW, they sleep in a hotel the night before home games. And there's a lot fewer distractions on the road. There's the travel, yes. And then at crunch time the crowd, at least some places.
 
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It seems like BK's ND teams have consistently played better on the road anyway.
 
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stlnd01 said:
FWIW, they sleep in a hotel the night before home games. And there's a lot fewer distractions on the road. There's the travel, yes. And then at crunch time the crowd, at least some places.
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Yes, but it is still within the comfort zone because it's part of a process they are used to. Also, doesnt cuse hire their conference refs for this game?
 
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rocket66 said:
It seems like BK's ND teams have consistently played better on the road anyway.
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koonja said:
Without any info in front of me, I agree.
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I don't know about "consistently played better on the road" but they've WON more consistently at Home.


Kelly at ND Stadium 21-6, 0.778

Kelly the Road 11-6, 0.611

Kelly at Neutral Site 8-3, 0.727
 
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You have certain cover machines in CFB and ND is not one of them. People are expecting us to play down to the competition.

We were off track for a few reasons in the Purdue game and still won by double digits. Losing Lombard, Max, Austin and Barrati was a lot to overcome. Plus, it looked like BVG was a little surprised by Purdue's offensive gameplan out of the gate.

We're well rested with a restructured OLine this week, I see a blowout. In fact I think it will be very simiair to the UM game except Syracuse will score 10 points. 38-10.
 
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I maybe equating 'playing better on the road' with looking better. I think the NBC broadcast would make any team look less enthusiastic/athletic. Something about ESPN/ABC broadcasting that seems to make teams look faster and louder IMO.

Maybe they don't play better on the road, but it's a trick on the eyes.
 
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We will have ACC refs this week, as we now do at home games, correct?
 
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koonja said:
I maybe equating 'playing better on the road' with looking better. I think the NBC broadcast would make any team look less enthusiastic/athletic. Something about ESPN/ABC broadcasting that seems to make teams look faster and louder IMO.

Maybe they don't play better on the road, but it's a trick on the eyes.
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The beholder's perception doesn't always mirror reality.

ND on NBC 26-6, .813

ND on ABC and ESPN 11-7, .611


Looking at those numbers Kelly should be lobbying for Hammond to call all his games.
 
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The beholder's perception doesn't always mirror reality.

ND on NBC 26-6, .813

ND on ABC and ESPN 11-7, .611


Looking at those numbers Kelly should be lobbying for Hammond to call all his games.
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So we're using facts now, huh? Bush League.

I'll shut up since my foot's wedged in my mouth at this point. I just feel like we look more energized sometimes on the road, even if it doesn't turn into a win. Maybe the difference in broadcasting is what I'm saying.
 
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BGIF said:
The beholder's perception doesn't always mirror reality.

ND on NBC 26-6, .813

ND on ABC and ESPN 11-7, .611


Looking at those numbers Kelly should be lobbying for Hammond to call all his games.
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The ABC/ESPN games seem to be primetime and often against tougher opponents.
 
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koonja said:
So we're using facts now, huh? Bush League.

I'll shut up since my foot's wedged in my mouth at this point. I just feel like we look more energized sometimes on the road, even if it doesn't turn into a win. Maybe the difference in broadcasting is what I'm saying.
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in all honesty i do think it has to do w/ the angle the camera shows the game...nbc seems to be further away in the point of view/camera angle higher up and shows more field where as ABC has it more close up and lower which would appear to be moving faster
 
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Personally, I think Syracuse may present more problems than we estimate right now. They have a hybrid option offense that could present some problems for our young defense. Our front four have to be stalwarts during this game. I don't know if they'll be asked to 2-gap at all or just win their assignment but I'm nervous.

I think our offense will put up points but I'm afraid this could be a bit closer than we think.

ND 41 - Syracuse 24
 
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