Political Correctness thread

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Bluto said:
What these kids did is deplorable. Now, the question was asked what would happen/the levelof outrage be if the races/roles were "reversed"? Here's one answer:

Ex-Idaho football player avoids jail time for violent sexual assault of disabled teammate | | USA Today High School Sports
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Linked in your article: Threats prompt lockdown of Idaho school where football players allegedly raped disabled teammate | | USA Today High School Sports

So if you're suggesting there was not outrage, there was. I have no dog in this race reversal fight, but it seems you do, and I figured you should know the answer to what you're suggesting which is that there was considerable outrage for a county of about 5,000 people and a school of just a few hundred.
 
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Bluto said:
What these kids did is deplorable. Now, the question was asked what would happen/the levelof outrage be if the races/roles were "reversed"? Here's one answer:

Ex-Idaho football player avoids jail time for violent sexual assault of disabled teammate | | USA Today High School Sports
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If you actually think the racially motivated kidnap/torture of a disabled person that is live streamed on the internet is close to a dubious case of sexual assault that is not ostensibly racially motivated and ends in an Alford plea then I'm confused. If the football players had live streamed it for 30 minutes, forced the kid to say "f*ck Obama" and "f*ck black people," and inflicted serious physical distress on the person then that'd be a different story. But this is actually an old story, and that's not what happened.

Instead, you have an incident closer to what Ben Boulware described the other day... and one where, per witness testimony, about 80% of what the victim said was proven untrue. All that was proven was a prank that crossed the line. It crossed the line in a BIG way but none of the other allegations were even close to proven... in fact they were refuted.

If they actually had video of them singing racist songs, knocking him unconscious, etc. it'd be one thing but they don't and his claims weren't backed up by interviews and evidence. The only one that was was the coat hanger incident, which he apparently exaggerated too:
it needs to be crystal clear, in this record, for this court, that this victim was not at any time pinned down, raped, or pinned down and subjected to any sort of forcible penetration.
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So, there was outrage in their town over the incident, but especially with no graphic video to be shared I'm really not sure how you contrast the two. If the kidnapping/torture video happened in a big city with races reversed you don't think there would've been riots and thinkpieces about how all white people are evil? Because I think that's would've happened.
 
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IrishSteelhead said:
Was waiting for Salon's take on this, here it is:

Don’t let racists fool you: The Chicago kidnapping isn’t about Black Lives Matter. It’s about the violence faced by people with disabilities - Salon.com


*Salon is a great satirical site if you've never been there. They make hilarious op/ed pieces just to troll readers. There's literally no other explanation for the fodder they pump out daily, so don't ruin it for me and say it's real.
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Salon is almost always a riot. Every time I read stuff there I think, "Do they really believe this stuff???" It's like reading The Onion, only the writers don't know it.
 
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NO PEACE WITHOUT JUSTICE
NO JUSTICE WITHOUT FORGIVENESS

(MESSAGE
OF HIS HOLINESS
POPE JOHN PAUL II
FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THE
WORLD DAY OF PEACE

1 JANUARY 2002)

Some SJWs.
 
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IrishLax said:
Has literally nothing to do with this thread. If you want to talk about MLK, Hesburgh, the Vatican, etc. it should go in its own thread.
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I respectfully beg to differ.

Different times, different interpretation of "political correctness."

I, for one, see an encouraging sense of truly correct "politics" with a healthy infusion of human hope and compassion.

A far cry from the current snide, crass and demeaning sense of the term.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

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Peace, Love and RESPECT.
 
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dshans said:
I respectfully beg to differ.

Different times, different interpretation of "political correctness."
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Let's pause here for a second. MLK and the civil rights movement occurred decades before the term political correctness was even invented. So, ostensibly, there is no "different interpretation" of political correctness... there are actions of one era, and then this thread dedicated to discussing an entirely separate concept.

I, for one, see an encouraging sense of truly correct "politics" with a healthy infusion of human hope and compassion.

A far cry from the current snide, crass and demeaning sense of the term.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_zfgoJzOCgg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace, Love and RESPECT.
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Surely, isn't that why that era is not related to the current discussion of political correctness? You're talking about movements and concepts that were starkly different -- the term political correctness didn't exist, the racists were still part of the Democrat party, and "progressive" people were fighting for integration/equality.

Now, "political correctness" is a modern term and phenomena that is used to describe the attempted censorship of ideas/expression that run against a subjective "correct" view of politics. Now, it's "politically correct" to call for segregated housing or bully anyone as long as they're on the "incorrect side" or ban anything that anyone might find mildly upsetting. It seems to be completely counter purpose and spirit of the civil rights movement; and accordingly I'm not sure how it's 'on topic' for a thread discussing something completely different than what Legacy just posted. I'm not sure how you even compare/contrast between the two in an intellectually honest fashion when one is so far removed from the other.
 
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IrishLax said:
Let's pause here for a second. MLK and the civil rights movement occurred decades before the term political correctness was even invented. So, ostensibly, there is no "different interpretation" of political correctness... there are actions of one era, and then this thread dedicated to discussing an entirely separate concept.

Surely, isn't that why that era is not related to the current discussion of political correctness? You're talking about movements and concepts that were starkly different -- the term political correctness didn't exist, the racists were still part of the Democrat party, and "progressive" people were fighting for integration/equality.

Now, "political correctness" is a modern term and phenomena that is used to describe the attempted censorship of ideas/expression that run against a subjective "correct" view of politics. Now, it's "politically correct" to call for segregated housing or bully anyone as long as they're on the "incorrect side" or ban anything that anyone might find mildly upsetting. It seems to be completely counter purpose and spirit of the civil rights movement; and accordingly I'm not sure how it's 'on topic' for a thread discussing something completely different than what Legacy just posted. I'm not sure how you even compare/contrast between the two in an intellectually honest fashion when one is so far removed from the other.
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Let me rack this one up to my confusion and my misconceptions - that Christian values can motivate political actions, that those actions are confined to decades/generations and which constantly change, and that ethics and religion can form the basis for a society which is governed with an established political system. Based on those misconceptions, I agree we must separate a discussion of political activism motivated by Christian beliefs of Father Hesburgh, Reverend ML King and others as irrelevant to a "Political Correctness" thread.

It's all good now that we've separated eras and also ethics from politics. Yet it did seem to be an appropriate location for a comment on MLK day.

Just one excerpt from JPII's message on justice, peace and forgiveness:
9. Forgiveness therefore, as a fully human act, is above all a personal initiative. But individuals are essentially social beings, situated within a pattern of relationships through which they express themselves in ways both good and bad. Consequently, society too is absolutely in need of forgiveness. Families, groups, societies, States and the international community itself need forgiveness in order to renew ties that have been sundered, go beyond sterile situations of mutual condemnation and overcome the temptation to discriminate against others without appeal. The ability to forgive lies at the very basis of the idea of a future society marked by justice and solidarity.
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Legacy said:
It's all good now that we've separated eras and also ethics from politics. Yet it did seem to be an appropriate location for a comment on MLK day.
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This isn't a politics thread. We have a politics thread: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/leprechaun-lounge/69266-politics.html

Just one excerpt from JPII's message on justice, peace and forgiveness:
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How is any part of that is related to "'Politically Correct - conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities should be eliminated."? Political correctness is a discussion of censorship, free speech, media, and narrative policing. I simply don't see the link, so please explain it to me.

If there isn't something linking MLK/JPII/Hesburgh to censorship, et. al. then why is it here? I just don't get it.
 
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Meatloaf said:
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Finally got it to work lol.
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It's nice to see that the left can enjoy alternative facts just like the right. Reminds me of all the faux racism events that people created after election night to try and start outrage. Unity!
 
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Has anyone else caught this LeBetard vs. Patriots fans tiff? LeBetard implies on Twitter that Patriots fans are racist and they prefer white wide receivers, then he goes on a tirade slamming the WEEI guys.

Atlanta talk radio going on rants about how racist the people in Boston are, too.
 
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wizards8507 said:
Has anyone else caught this LeBetard vs. Patriots fans tiff? LeBetard implies on Twitter that Patriots fans are racist and they prefer white wide receivers, then he goes on a tirade slamming the WEEI guys.

Atlanta talk radio going on rants about how racist the people in Boston are, too.
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They probably are... I fully accept any criticisms of the scoundrels known as the Pats. I don't even need any facts, or alternative facts for that matter, to support it.

Pats>Satan>Hitler>Bin Laden
 
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woolybug25 said:
They probably are... I fully accept any criticisms of the scoundrels known as the Pats. I don't even need any facts, or alternative facts for that matter, to support it.

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Where's Michigan fall along that hierarchy?
 
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wizards8507 said:
Has anyone else caught this LeBetard vs. Patriots fans tiff? LeBetard implies on Twitter that Patriots fans are racist and they prefer white wide receivers, then he goes on a tirade slamming the WEEI guys.

Atlanta talk radio going on rants about how racist the people in Boston are, too.
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JFC...

raw


It's like this shit is creeping into everything. Racist because they prefer white wide receivers? What about the Deon Branch, Troy Brown, and Randy Moss years? I find it amusing that anyone would bring up racism based on an NFL team's roster. Few groups in this country are as racially diverse (At least on a black/white spectrum, but not all colors) as NFL rosters.
 
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ulukinatme said:
It's like this shit is creeping into everything. Racist because they prefer white wide receivers? What about the Deon Branch, Troy Brown, and Randy Moss years? I find it amusing that anyone would bring up racism based on an NFL team's roster. Few groups in this country are as racially diverse (At least on a black/white spectrum, but not all colors) as NFL rosters.
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I actually saw an interesting theory in a comment section that white receivers are viewed as less athletic than black receivers by NFL scouts and coaches, so the Patriots are actually exploiting the bias of other teams to scoop up talented white players who may be undervalued and thus available for cheap.

Also: Philadelphia Mayor Wants To Force 'Racist' Gay Businessowners Into 'Implicit Bias' Training | Daily Wire
 
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wizards8507 said:
Has anyone else caught this LeBetard vs. Patriots fans tiff? LeBetard implies on Twitter that Patriots fans are racist and they prefer white wide receivers, then he goes on a tirade slamming the WEEI guys.

Atlanta talk radio going on rants about how racist the people in Boston are, too.
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The Pats simply get better value out of their players....so if anything, this means that the white receivers on the team make less than the average black receiver in the league. #TheRealWageGap #NotMyTruth
 
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Belichick is a racist against black WR's.

Branch got an exception because of his skills.

Moss got an exception because he has a country accent.

Mitchell has an exception because someone mistakenly thought the "white" note from his pro-day meant his race, but it was really about the shirt he was wearing as an identifier.
 
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IrishLion said:
Belichick is a racist against black WR's.

Branch got an exception because of his skills.

Moss got an exception because he has a country accent.

Mitchell has an exception because someone mistakenly thought the "white" note from his pro-day meant his race, but it was really about the shirt he was wearing as an identifier.
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Mitchell sounds like a Honkey name. Easy mistake to make.
 
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wizards8507 said:
I actually saw an interesting theory in a comment section that white receivers are viewed as less athletic than black receivers by NFL scouts and coaches, so the Patriots are actually exploiting the bias of other teams to scoop up talented white players who may be undervalued and thus available for cheap.

Also: Philadelphia Mayor Wants To Force 'Racist' Gay Businessowners Into 'Implicit Bias' Training | Daily Wire
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That's been my thought on the topic. Just as in the past, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, etc were probably undervalued, guys like the Pats receiving corps probably are as well.
 
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Moon is so underrated... he was a baller, one of my all time greats at that position.
 
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