Oct 26 | Air Force

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Final ND 45 AF 10

Final ND 45 AF 10

ND AF
1ST DOWNS 13 14
Rushing 2 13
Passing 9 1
Penalty 2 0
3RD DOWN CONV 3-6 3-7
4TH DOWN CONV 1-1 1-1
PUNTS - AVG 3-46 5-36.4
RETURN YARDS 37 45
Punts - Returns 1-0 2-16
Kickoffs - Returns 1-37 1-29
Int - Returns 0-0 0-0
PENALTIES - YARDS 1-5 7-50
FUMBLES - LOST 0-0 2-2
TOTAL NET YARDS 456 343
Total Plays 66 80
Average Gain 6.9 4.3
NET YARDS RUSHING 136 295
Rushes 37 65
Rushes - Avg 3.7 4.5
NET YARDS PASSING 320 48
Comp. - Att. 18-26 7-11
Yards Per Pass 11.9 4
Sacked - Yards Lost 1-8 1--3
Had Intercepted 0 0
TOUCHDOWNS 6 1
Rushing Touchdowns 1 1
Passing Touchdowns 5 0
Other 0 0
EXTRA POINTS 6-6 1-1
Kicking 6-6 1-1
FIELD GOALS 1-2 1-1
SAFETIES 0 0
Possession 29:10 30:50

 

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Final Ind Stats

Final Ind Stats

ND

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
T. Rees 17/22 284 5 0 80.0 12.0 260.7
A. Hendrix 1/4 47 0 0

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
C. McDaniel 10 61 0 11 6.1 10 62.0
T. Folston 11 47 0 16 4.3 11 31.0
G. Atkinson 6 18 0 8 3.0 7 108.0
A. Hendrix 4 9 1 10 2.2 4 4.0
T. Jones 1 7 0 7 7.0 8 89.0
A. Carlisle 3 3 0 2 1.0 3 27.0
T. Rees 1 -8 0 0 -8.0 1 -7.0

Receiving REC YDS TD LG
T. Jones 7 104 1 30 14.9 8 89.0
W. Fuller 2 93 1 46 46.5 2 37.0
C. Robinson 1 35 1 35 35.0 1 33.0
D. Daniels 2 34 0 26 17.0 2 57.0
B. Koyack 2 29 1 22 14.5 2 24.0
T. Niklas 2 20 0 11 10.0 2 41.0
C. Brown 1 15 1 15 15.0 1 29.0
G. Atkinson 1 1 0 2


AF

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
K. Roberts 2/2 12 0 0 100.0 6.0 150.4

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG
A. LaCoste 9 57 0 21 6.3 9 68.0
D. Johnson 6 30 0 9 5.0 6 7.0
B. Hart 5 22 0 8 4.4 5 51.0
P. Solano 5 22 0 8 4.4 5 14.0
S. Gagliano 3 21 0 10 7.0 4 48.0
C. Huntsman 5 19 1 10 3.8 7 13.0
D. Rushing 4 18 0 15 4.5 5 25.0
J. Lee 5 16 0 7 3.2 7 46.0
K. Roberts 2 9 0 11 4.5 2 30.0
G. Brown 1 -2 0 0 -2.0 2 13.0

Receiving REC YDS TD LG
M. Hendricks 1 19 0 19 19.0 1 12.0
C. Huntsman 2 15 0 8 7.5 7 13.0
J. Lee 2 5 0 2 2.5 7 46.0
D. Rushing 1 5 0 5 5.0 5 25.0
G. Brown 1 5 0 5 5.0 2 13.0
S. Gagliano 1 -1 0 0

 

[Booslum31]

I felt the same way. Kinda disappointed about it to be honest.

I was right with you. But I don't think Kelly would do that against one of the Academies.

 

[Irish#1]

Did Manti have this good of a freshman season? I can't remember

I thought Manti did a great job that freshman year of blowing up screens, and he really settled in by the end of the year. I'd say as of now it's a wash in my completely amateur opinion.

If I remember, Manti didn't start until about half way thru his freshman season. I would say at the moment, Jaylon is having a little better season. He looked lost his first couple of games, but it's obvious the light went on.

 

[palinurus]

Maybe Notre Dame and Bama should scrap those two teams and play each other. I would love to see a regular season game between the two. Maybe home and home or at a neutral site that benefits both schools for recruiting purposes.

I'd be good with this. I think it's great for recruiting to play and beat some good SEC teams. Bama would win right now but that doesn't have to be permanent.

 

[Cackalacky]

Somewhere a SEC fan is bashing ND for playing Air Force while his team gets ready for Georgia Southern...

LSU was struggling with Furman in the 1st half.

 

[irishpat183]

I expect us to have close to 250 yds rushing. They are giving up 221 a game.

I take the under. But we still win.


We are allergic to running the ball. We are 96th in the nation in rushing and have only had ONE 100yd rusher (only over 80 yds twice) this year and most of that came on ONE run.


If it happened...I would be suprised. I know it's Air Force, but those service academies control clock like no one else, so I see some long drives outta them.

That stat is worthless outside of the context of who we've played. Our rushing attack is 17th in the nation once you adjust for quality of opposition.

This comment is hilarious in its stupidity.

It is Irishpat what did you expect?

It's hilarious when we have to reach for crazy statistics to justfiy deficences in our game.


Homerism 101. Our running game sucks. So lets find some saber-metrics to refute that...when, if you just watch the games, you can see we're not very good at running the football.


Not saying we can't run against AFA, but I was simply sayiing that if I had to pick 250 or more rushing yards, I'd take the under. There has been NOTHING that tells me we are capable of that so far this season.

Temple (we ran for under 200) and Air Force have very comparable rush D's (both around 1500 yds and 4.8 a carry). Why are we all of a sudden going to rush for 250 yards? In fact, Purdue is pretty bad as well and we managed under a 100 yards.


So am I the ridiculous one here???

Yes. You're always the ridiculous one here.

Gah! What was I thinking? Trusting objective data over Pat's "eyeball test"...

Yes

The fact that you actually believe that vanilla stats with no context are more accurate/descriptive/valuable than adjusted efficiency stats says everything we need to know about your knowledge on this subject Pat.

I'm fine being the "ridiculous" one if that means measuring pitchers by zone contact percentage, WAR, etc. instead of their W-L record.

Because you're not accounting for the quality of the run defenses we've faced.



That's true. And our running game hasn't been consistently great. But rushing for 250 yards in a single game is a pretty arbitrary standard for competence.

According to S&P+, these are run defenses we've faced this year:



Our YPC against Temple and OU (5.4 and 7.6 respectively) was fine. Same with Michigan (5.1 YPC) but our defense couldn't get a stop, which ruined our offensive balance. Purdue was inexplicably bad (hangover from Michigan?), and we should have done better against MSU, despite their quality.

But we rushed well against ASU prior to the last couple drives where we salted the game away. And we rushed very well against USC before Rees was injured.

Look at this way, Pat: were you unhappy with our ground game against ASU and USC? We've obviously gotten better since the start of the season.

It just doesn't get any better........This is better than ND winning the game.


Shower me with praise. For you all doubted.

 

[Buster Bluth]

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It just doesn't get any better........This is better than ND winning the game.


Shower me with praise. For you all doubted.

You're joking right?

Not being able to run the ball != not being able to run the ball against eight in the box. The plans Air Force et al have played against Notre Dame (constantly loading the box) should tell you two things. 1) Notre Dame's running game is stronger than you might think, and/or 2) lack of faith in Tommy Rees. Air Force loaded the box and Tommy made them pay again and again. And again. And again. And technically, again once more.

This shouldn't even be up for discussion, your opinion is still rather ignorant. If you would have said "Notre Dame won't be able to run the ball because they will load the box" you'd be onto something. But you didn't, you compared retarded rankings and compared them nationally, like I'd expect an NFL fan to do.

P.S. if I remember correctly, and I'll have to rewatch to confirm, the two drives where Air Force played with two safeties back and didn't put so many defenders in the box Cam McDaniel and Folston gashed them for like 8ypc.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lol

 

[BeauBenken]

Where can I get a replay of this game? I was out before the end of the first half.

 

[BeauBenken]

It just doesn't get any better........This is better than ND winning the game.


Shower me with praise. For you all doubted.

On the contrary, this may be worse for this board than had we lost. lol

 

[KPENN]

Where can I get a replay of this game? I was out before the end of the first half.

Just posted it.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not...-dame-vs-air-force-full-game.html#post1146027

 

[BGIF]

Where can I get a replay of this game? I was out before the end of the first half.

Bama fan?

 

[BeauBenken]

Bama fan?

Hot date. Lol

 

[NDdomer2]

injury report update out yet

 

[TheChosen1]

injury report update out yet

Brian Hamilton‏@ChiTribHamilton

Chris Watt (knee) and Sheldon Day (ankle) "probable" for #Navy, per #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly. Ishaq Williams (knee) is "doubtful."

 

[Buster Bluth]

Brian Hamilton‏@ChiTribHamilton

Chris Watt (knee) and Sheldon Day (ankle) "probable" for #Navy, per #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly. Ishaq Williams (knee) is "doubtful."

Precisely why they should not play a triple option team again unless it's Navy and ACC-scheduled Georgia Tech.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Hot date. Lol

Did you or your mother buy?

 

[calvegas04]

Hot date. Lol

not hot enough if she din't wanna watch the game with you

 

[IrishLion]

It's probably only one page previous or something, but I'm too lazy to search, so anybody know how many tackles Jaylon had yesterday?

I should've kept count, considering it felt like he was in on every option play to the outside (unless it was KeiVarae blowing the play up, which was also fantastic).

 

[IrishSteelhead]

5 solo and 3 assists

 

[IrishLion]

5 solo and 3 assists

Wow I thought it was WAY more than that. And I wasn't even drinking (heavily) during the game. Even so, I thought he did an outstanding job. I almost drop-kicked my friend's TV when he was robbed of his TD.

 

[KPENN]

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[irishfanjho15]

You're joking right?

Not being able to run the ball != not being able to run the ball against eight in the box. The plans Air Force et al have played against Notre Dame (constantly loading the box) should tell you two things. 1) Notre Dame's running game is stronger than you might think, and/or 2) lack of faith in Tommy Rees. Air Force loaded the box and Tommy made them pay again and again. And again. And again. And technically, again once more.

This shouldn't even be up for discussion, your opinion is still rather ignorant. If you would have said "Notre Dame won't be able to run the ball because they will load the box" you'd be onto something. But you didn't, you compared retarded rankings and compared them nationally, like I'd expect an NFL fan to do.

P.S. if I remember correctly, and I'll have to rewatch to confirm, the two drives where Air Force played with two safeties back and didn't put so many defenders in the box Cam McDaniel and Folston gashed them for like 8ypc.

He's not joking. I have been banging the 8 in the box drum and him and Kuehjnananana or however you spell it continue to act like we should be able to run against 8 in the box.

I'm not taking any shots. Just letting you know you're wasting your time.

I did rewatch. Every play four times. When AF had to start dropping the 7th and 8th defenders back to help with the pass, we gashed them. In fact I believe we only had four runs under 5 yards in the second half when that happened. Also believe ND had 8 runs of 7+ under the same condition.

R YDS YPC TD LNG
C. McDaniel 10 61 6.1 0 11
T. Folston 11 47 4.3 0 16
G. Atkinson III 6 18 3.0 0 7
T. Jones 1 7 7.0 0 7
A. Carlisle 3 3 1.0 0 2

GAIII and Carlisle never saw less than 8 in the box on any of their carries. They sure didn't help themselves any with the way they were running.

On the other hand Cam and Folston never had more than 7 in the box on their carries.

So it's pretty obvious to see what the 'problem' was.

My biggest issue is like you said. If they would qualify it as ND can't run when teams stack the box to make Tommy beat them I wouldn't have a problem with it. The issue is they won't admit that ND can run the ball in a serviceable manner when they aren't constrained by 8 or + in the box.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Tommy's TD throw to TJ looks uniquely similar to this TD throw last year to TJ - at the 1:06 mark.

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[Bogtrotter07]

How are you counting in the box?

 

[irishfanjho15]

How are you counting in the box?

When I watch I count people one by one that are obviously put in a stacked position within two steps of LB depth and two steps within T/TE spots width wise. Anyone walking up or in. Discount anyone that is on the fringe who bails at snap or doesn't read run at snap (or doesn't sell that they are in the box).

The spread has changed what is truly considered the box these days but I promise you Bog, I never play when it comes to breaking down football games (all the years of watching films in college with homework looming, friends, broads, and overall college life make you learn to not waste time or efforts). If I can tell they are 'boxing' I count them. If I even have a question on whether they are or not, I don't.

Basically if they are showing position in the box that would change blocking responsibilities of the linemen or TEs, they get counted because that is the real reason you put so many guys up there. Because, as you know, stacking the box is not to overpower, its first and foremost to confuse and then overpower.

Honestly I think ND should go 5 wide and motion the 5th receiver (an RB) into the backfield more often like they did with TJ. Also going four wide with a single back and trying to run may help. When using a TE (or two) teams creep like TLC.

 

[dublinirish]

what was the "shamrock on a pole" thing one of the ND players brought out of the tunnel before the game? Also who was the dude on the sideline in the ICON video (ex player i presume?)

 

[gkIrish]

what was the "shamrock on a pole" thing one of the ND players brought out of the tunnel before the game? Also who was the dude on the sideline in the ICON video (ex player i presume?)

Look like Kap.

 

[NDBoiler]

Look like Kap.

Yup definitely was. Great to see him take the time to come see the game.