ND Coaching Changes 2016

ShawneeIrish

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Nice. Here's what I honestly think and a lot of you will disagree with me. I think Brian Kelly's biggest faults are when he gets too involved with the offense and doesn't stick to what works ie, running the ball (especially in obvious running situations), chipping away and getting the ball to the TE to set up down field throws. I do, however, think Kelly is great with his players and does a great job as program director and oversee'er of all things ND. He runs the football program with ND type integrity. I think after this terrible season he finally got real and decided to give up power on offense and hire a solid OC and take more of an oversee'er approach to coaching because what he was doing clearly was not working. He hired a DC who runs scheme that will fit our personnel and an OC that's had great success with half the talent. I expect ND to field a good team in '17. My only concerns are along the DL.

ND type integrity? Have you been keeping up with the off the field product in the BK era? Academic infractions? Lack of ability to take any responsibility for anything? I generally like how optimistic you are and while I strongly disagree I get that some people still believe BK can turn it around, but you have to be at least willing to recognize BK has fallen short in some areas and I don't think many people would consider carrying himself with integrity to have been one of his strengths.
 

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Bogs, you are one of the best posters here and I believe all the stuff you ever posted to be pretty accurate. My question however, if there is this behind the scenes shadow group running things out of the spotlight, how the hell did they let things deteriorate to this point? Or are these people just finally fed up and flexing some influence after some bad down years? I'm genuinely curious, because as a more casual fan than most occurred you guys, I can't figure things out.

So after the Illuminati's failed attempt to take over the Vatican, it has now turned its eye upon ND Football? Call Georgetown! Call BC! Call the Loyola's.... We need the Jesuits!

Why Mr. Brown, I had no idea you were a football fan.
 

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So after the Illuminati's failed attempt to take over the Vatican, it has now turned its eye upon ND Football? Call Georgetown! Call BC! Call the Loyola's.... We need the Jesuits!

Why Mr. Brown, I had no idea you were a football fan.

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So after the Illuminati's failed attempt to take over the Vatican, it has now turned its eye upon ND Football? Call Georgetown! Call BC! Call the Loyola's.... We need the Jesuits!

Why Mr. Brown, I had no idea you were a football fan.

Leave the Jesuits out of this. Just call up Opus Dei
 

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If Brian Kelly is going to have no hand in the offense, and we're going to hand the keys to a new offense led by Brandon Wimbush... who has spent two full season years learning and gaining experience in the current system... to a guy with one year of experience coordinating an offense at an AAC school it raises the questions --

How unfathomably stupid was it to retain the HC? And what the hell will Kelly be doing this year?

Was - HC
Now - Project Manager
 

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If Brian Kelly is going to have no hand in the offense, and we're going to hand the keys to a new offense led by Brandon Wimbush... who has spent two full season years learning and gaining experience in the current system... to a guy with one year of experience coordinating an offense at an AAC school it raises the questions --

How unfathomably stupid was it to retain the HC? And what the hell will Kelly be doing this year?

I agree, at this point, this whole thing makes very little sense. We should've went one of two routes.

1. Fire Kelly and start over, use the ripping off of a Band-Aid analogy if you will.

2. Bring on Elko to run defense and keep the offensive staff together (outside of Booker), and hope that between Elko's coaching and our talented offensive players, we can win 9-10 games, and have a more amicable separation with Kelly next off season.

We did neither, and are in what I believe to be a worst case scenario.
 

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I agree, at this point, this whole thing makes very little sense. We should've went one of two routes.

1. Fire Kelly and start over, use the ripping off of a Band-Aid analogy if you will.

2. Bring on Elko to run defense and keep the offensive staff together (outside of Booker), and hope that between Elko's coaching and our talented offensive players, we can win 9-10 games, and have a more amicable separation with Kelly next off season.

We did neither, and are in what I believe to be a worst case scenario.

I'll agree with this too.
 

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I agree, at this point, this whole thing makes very little sense. We should've went one of two routes.

1. Fire Kelly and start over, use the ripping off of a Band-Aid analogy if you will.

2. Bring on Elko to run defense and keep the offensive staff together (outside of Booker), and hope that between Elko's coaching and our talented offensive players, we can win 9-10 games, and have a more amicable separation with Kelly next off season.

We did neither, and are in what I believe to be a worst case scenario.

The defensive moves make sense to me. Offense, less so, but I'm not certain what better moves would have been.
Booker had to go. Enter Polian. That's a clear upgrade.

I agree it would have been preferable to keep Sanford. But he wasn't going to say no to the HC job at Western Ky. That wouldn't make any sense. God speed, Mike.

Denbrock was fine, but he doesn't exactly light the world on fire as an OC. Besides, he's a Kelly lifer and they're the problem, right? Whatever.

So, hiring an OC, we're probably not going to land a huge name, so makes sense to go get an up-and-comer who can learn from BK. Like Long. He also doesn't have some huge tree to employ. So we keep Heistand and Denson, both good coaches who happen to be two of our best recruiters as well, and find a good WR coach to replace Booker/Dembrock on the position group. Kelly works with QBs? And I wouldn't put too much stock into who calls plays in a press release in January.

I don't know. It's not ideal. Ideally you'd rather have Sanford as OC & QB whisperer. But I'm not ready to call it the worst case scenario just yet.
 
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If Brian Kelly is going to have no hand in the offense, and we're going to hand the keys to a new offense led by Brandon Wimbush... who has spent two full season years learning and gaining experience in the current system... to a guy with one year of experience coordinating an offense at an AAC school it raises the questions --

How unfathomably stupid was it to retain the HC? And what the hell will Kelly be doing this year?

What is the possibility that Zaire returns? Just curious if that is even a remote option.
 

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I agree, at this point, this whole thing makes very little sense. We should've went one of two routes.

1. Fire Kelly and start over, use the ripping off of a Band-Aid analogy if you will.

2. Bring on Elko to run defense and keep the offensive staff together (outside of Booker), and hope that between Elko's coaching and our talented offensive players, we can win 9-10 games, and have a more amicable separation with Kelly next off season.

We did neither, and are in what I believe to be a worst case scenario.

To further this discussion I believe Kelly had no say in the new S&C coaches in Balis and Ballou. They were hired by Swarbrick and Duncan French and that aspect of the program is now being run by them. Why was Kelly retained with all this info?
 

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For what? So he can lose a QB to Wimbush?

I don't mean that as a slight. I wish him well, but he's not the answer.

No worries - I didn't take it that way.

My question was more to the thought that there is a new OC and every competitor thinks he is the best.
 

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So after the Illuminati's failed attempt to take over the Vatican, it has now turned its eye upon ND Football? Call Georgetown! Call BC! Call the Loyola's.... We need the Jesuits!

Why Mr. Brown, I had no idea you were a football fan.

If you are ever in NY shoot me a PM. We need to grab a few beers, your posts kill me bro. You definitely have a sense of humor that belongs in a firehouse. Thanks for making me laugh out loud
 
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If Brian Kelly is going to have no hand in the offense, and we're going to hand the keys to a new offense led by Brandon Wimbush... who has spent two full season years learning and gaining experience in the current system... to a guy with one year of experience coordinating an offense at an AAC school it raises the questions --

How unfathomably stupid was it to retain the HC? And what the hell will Kelly be doing this year?

Kelly is now officially retired.
 

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Kelly is now officially retired.

Kelly has officially checked out, both sides tried to work out a deal and find him a new job this season. This season is either gonna be great or a total shit show. Don't think there will be any in between. Going to be a fun offseason lol, like reallllllly fun
 

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Kelly has officially checked out, both sides tried to work out a deal and find him a new job this season. This season is either gonna be great or a total shit show. Don't think there will be any in between. Going to be a fun offseason lol, like reallllllly fun

If that is indeed the case, then the ND admin needs to take a lap. Too cheap to do what needs to be done smdh.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alabama strength coach Scott Cochran explains when the program changed: <a href="https://t.co/Eb5tPfQ5xu">https://t.co/Eb5tPfQ5xu</a></p>— CoachingSearch.com (@coachingsearch) <a href="https://twitter.com/coachingsearch/status/818619621662040066">January 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Scott Cochran has been Alabama’s head strength coach since Nick Saban arrived in 2007. It was after the second year that Cochran saw the culture change into what the Tide are today.

Alabama’s won four national titles under Saban, but Cochran said it didn’t start until the players set the expectations. Don't forget that Saban went 7-6 in his first year. Yeah, the players got better through recruiting, but Cochran saw the culture start from them in the summer workouts.

“We run in the summer, we do some thing that, if you look scientifically, it makes no sense. It’s just really difficult,” Cochran said on SiriusXM College Sports Nation. “For this month of June, I’m going to find out what your heart is. We’d do stadium runs early in the morning and then come back in the weight room when you can’t even walk down the stadium because your legs are sinking like a salt-shaker, and you walk in the door and we’re heavy back-squatting.

“I feel like the program changed when it went from me telling a player, ‘This is what we do,’ to where I saw Rolando McClain and Julio Jones slap a player and say, ‘No, no, no. This is what we do, and this is why we win. We’re going to do really heavy legs after a whole week of work and right after stadiums, too. So take that 315 off the bar and put another Cadillac on, because we’re going to go 405 for the second set.’ Just the mentality changed.”

The Tide go for No. 5 under Saban tonight at 8 p.m. ET against Clemson. Cochran also worked under Saban at LSU. Head coaches often say the strength coach is their most important hire. They set the tone and set the culture, working with players more than any of the other coaches.

Asked what message he’ll give the Tide, Cochran gave a little peek.

“I kind of had to go back and think about the mentality we used at LSU,” Cochran said. “Coach Saban used Muhammad Ali against Sonny Liston, fighting him a second time. My mentality is there, so you can take that and figure out what I’m going to do with it. That’s how I’m going to turn up the volume.”
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Didn't someone post that Longo had them doing lots of running? And wasn't there something about Longo looking for the players to lead? Well that's how Bama is doing it.

Maybe there were intangibles missing from Longo/S&C program. The players apparently had complaints. Maybe the players deserve some blame. Sometimes you just need a change.
 

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Bogs, you are one of the best posters here and I believe all the stuff you ever posted to be pretty accurate. My question however, if there is this behind the scenes shadow group running things out of the spotlight, how the hell did they let things deteriorate to this point? Or are these people just finally fed up and flexing some influence after some bad down years? I'm genuinely curious, because as a more casual fan than most occurred you guys, I can't figure things out.

If say, a half-billion dollars of contributions says 'stop it,' what is anyone going to do.

Remember this is a particularly ticklish time with the crossroads project, and the process to make the football program a financially independent entity from the university.

I am also neglecting to mention the thousands of alum that are contributing in other ways, (life insurance policies, etc.,) that also may have an objection to the way things are going.

And this has been mounting since what, Kelly's year two?

I personally think the tipping point was achieved when the NCAA came down on good ol' cooperative ND so hard for the five idiots. (Name one of them that was really worth in in the final analysis, and don't even try to sell KRussell.)
 

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If say, a half-billion dollars of contributions says 'stop it,' what is anyone going to do.

Remember this is a particularly ticklish time with the crossroads project, and the process to make the football program a financially independent entity from the university.

I am also neglecting to mention the thousands of alum that are contributing in other ways, (life insurance policies, etc.,) that also may have an objection to the way things are going.

And this has been mounting since what, Kelly's year two?

I personally think the tipping point was achieved when the NCAA came down on good ol' cooperative ND so hard for the five idiots. (Name one of them that was really worth in in the final analysis, and don't even try to sell KRussell.)
Gotcha. Makes perfect sense, thank you. This whole year has been bizarre, I'm hoping Kelly is a politician enough to not mail it in this year and do more damage than he's already done.
 

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Didn't someone post that Longo had them doing lots of running? And wasn't there something about Longo looking for the players to lead? Well that's how Bama is doing it.

Maybe there were intangibles missing from Longo/S&C program. The players apparently had complaints. Maybe the players deserve some blame. Sometimes you just need a change.

There definitely is something to that, imo. Longo's issue wasn't that he was using poor methods. I'm sure he know a lot more than all of the fake meatheads on here give him credit for, but that doesn't mean he didn't suck at his job.

Saban's staff from the S&C to the coordinators to the damn training table cook are all on the same page. They preach the same message and that message comes from the top. I think one of this staff's biggest shortcomings isn't x's and o's, or training methods or facilities. It's the players they bring into the program and how they develop them both athletically and as leaders. There is no question that this team has had a significant lack of leadership within the ranks of players as far back as I can remember.
 
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I think the whiplash of BK constantly looking or the perception. Of him looking at other jobs has caught up with him. Maybe he kept his buddy BVG as his D.C. Because he figured he was gone.

It goes back to hearing what Jeter said about him and the ego part of Bk, yo go along with 4-8 this year and not really beating any good teams last year outside Navy, I am just sick of the BK game.
 
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