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I don't mind adding a tune-up game. I think it would make much more sense for it to be Tulane, Rice, Southern Miss, Central Florida, Memphis, UNLV, San Diego St., etc. Even Vanderbilt once they are done with their reversion. Similar level of team, maybe slightly better than Ball St., but in places that matter. I wouldn't even mind playing home-and-homes against those teams to increase ND's presence in the South and other places where we can get a recruiting benefit.
 
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I don't mind adding a tune-up game. I think it would make much more sense for it to be Tulane, Rice, Southern Miss, Central Florida, Memphis, UNLV, San Diego St., etc. Even Vanderbilt once they are done with their reversion. Similar level of team, maybe slightly better than Ball St., but in places that matter. I wouldn't even mind playing home-and-homes against those teams to increase ND's presence in the South and other places where we can get a recruiting benefit.

The Vandy move intrigues me because we don't have pulling power in Tennessee and they produce some quality recruits. I understand the Vols will have homefield advantage in Tenn but we could use the exposure to at least lay out the breadcrumbs for a higher quality education.

Ball State doesn't bother me because it's a way to keep the team well rested and untraveled for a weekend before the brunt of the scheduled commences. It also allows us to attract more local talent to see another home game.
 

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Slowly and surely, our coaches have stockpiled a DLine full of talent and competition. We don't have a lot of 5 star talent but we do have depth:

Grant Blankenship - SDE
J. Bonner - DT
Daniel Cage - DT
Sheldon Day - DT
Micah Dew-treadway DT/SDE
Jay Hayes - WDE
Jarron Jones (if healthy) - DT
Jacob Matuska - DE
Pete Mokwuah DT
Romeo Okwara - WDE
Isaac Rochell - SDE
Jerry Tillery - DT
Andrew Trumbetti - SDE
Jhonathon Wiliams - SDE
Doug Randolph - DE

The staff has it's work cutout to assemble a good rotation. We don't appear to have many labeled WDEs which means we'll probably see quite a bit of "tryouts". That looks like a load of young talent. I really hope Jarron Jones comes back full strength, because that would be the cherry on top.
 

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Hammer, moving forward with the national scene, it makes a huge difference in terms of beating a middle of the pack B1G team, as opposed to a middle of the pack MAC team. I understand the need for lesser opponents, I really do, but let's be honest, the ACC is NOT the $EC. We have games against Pitt, Syracuse, and Va Tech. Which should be three absolute easy winnable games. Florida St is another animal. So for people to act like the ACC is some murderer's row, c'mon, if that's the case, we should just play all of our games in the mighty ACC, and call it a day......
 

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I'm not against adding Ball State to the schedule as oppose to a team like Northwestern, for reasons Greyhammer mentioned, but I wonder why we don't schedule a similar team from a recruiting hotbed instead, or at least go to a place out of state? Could make the game beneficial from two perspectives. We could even add a return trip for the team if their stadium is large enough to accommodate a large visiting fan base. While not a great opponent, UTSA would be a cool trip to San Antonio and the Alamo Dome houses more than enough people.
 
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Wow. Dissing Virginia Tech Football. twenty straight bowl bids [10-10 record]. 20+ All-Americans in the 21st century; over 60 players drafted into the NFL. VERY hard to take arguments seriously based on perspectives like that.

I follow VT very closely as my brother was a star OLineman there during the era when Beamer played, and still has Frank for a personal friend. Anyone who regards VT as a bunch of chumps is .... well ....
 

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Hammer, moving forward with the national scene, it makes a huge difference in terms of beating a middle of the pack B1G team, as opposed to a middle of the pack MAC team. I understand the need for lesser opponents, I really do, but let's be honest, the ACC is NOT the $EC. We have games against Pitt, Syracuse, and Va Tech. Which should be three absolute easy winnable games. Florida St is another animal. So for people to act like the ACC is some murderer's row, c'mon, if that's the case, we should just play all of our games in the mighty ACC, and call it a day......

When did Va Tech become an "absolutely easy winnable game"? They have only gone to 21 straight bowl games, appeared in 5 of the last 10 BCS Bowl Games and have won 9.5 games a year over the last ten years.

That's not my opinion of a team that looks like an easily winnable game...
 

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Hammer, moving forward with the national scene, it makes a huge difference in terms of beating a middle of the pack B1G team, as opposed to a middle of the pack MAC team. I understand the need for lesser opponents, I really do, but let's be honest, the ACC is NOT the $EC. We have games against Pitt, Syracuse, and Va Tech. Which should be three absolute easy winnable games. Florida St is another animal. So for people to act like the ACC is some murderer's row, c'mon, if that's the case, we should just play all of our games in the mighty ACC, and call it a day......

The first two should certainly be winnable games, but the last few meetings with Syracuse says otherwise...and the last decade or more of Pitt games also refutes that they're an easy win. Fact: We have beaten Pittsburgh by more than a TD only once since 2002, and that was in '05, Charlie's first game. Aside from that, every game between 2002-2013 has been decided by 7 points or less with 4 losses in there and 2 overtimes. Pitt may not be a good team, but if they aren't then we certainly play like crap each time we face them. I laughed at the people who thought we would blow them out in 2012 and 2013, Pitt always comes to play.
 

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I know Pitt always comes to play, and I never understand how we can play down to them......very much like Purdue in that regard. I just don't ever consider Pitt a good team, and maybe I shouldn't have lumped Va Tech in there, but the last couple of years, they haven't been really good compared to what I consider good, certainly not compared to 10 years ago.
 

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Hammer, moving forward with the national scene, it makes a huge difference in terms of beating a middle of the pack B1G team, as opposed to a middle of the pack MAC team. I understand the need for lesser opponents, I really do, but let's be honest, the ACC is NOT the $EC. We have games against Pitt, Syracuse, and Va Tech. Which should be three absolute easy winnable games. Florida St is another animal. So for people to act like the ACC is some murderer's row, c'mon, if that's the case, we should just play all of our games in the mighty ACC, and call it a day......

No it really does not make a huge difference. The committee last year showed quite clearly that they valued top 10 wins over top 25 wins and top 25 wins over other wins and that's really it. If you're not playing a top 25 team, it should be to one of 2 teams: (1) a historical power for recruiting buzz (Texas) or (2) a team that cannot beat you on their best day. If we beat the dogshit out of Northwestern nobody gives a damn, but if we lose to them we are a laughingstock. The same applies to Ball State. All a team like Northwestern does for us is give us a chance to be a laughingstock without actually giving our team the tune-up/rest game THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF SCHEDULING THAT KIND OF TEAM.

And that's not even touching the fact that even if we do win a close win is extremely likely given the rest-game mentality of ND versus the upset-minded P5 conference team. Guess what we hear then? Do yourself a favor and ask any non-ND fan about ND's season in 2012. "Lol you guys barely beat Purdue and needed a miracle to beat Pitt." Literally NO ONE cares that these are P5 opponents. They know that they are mediocre and that we barely beat them. Kicking the shit out of a MAC team is way better for our image than beating Purdue by ten. That's not fair, but it's the truth.
 

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I don't really have a problem with us playing one non-P5 team (plus Navy) a year. Especially early season. Seems like pretty much an annual occurrence lately. That's fine. We can't play a giant every week and a Ball State type carries significantly less downside risk than a mid- to- low P5 team like Northwestern or Pitt.
As for playing Ball State instead of Tulane or Rice or someplace: if the game's at ND I can't imagine it much matters to recruits. If they're the target audience maybe do a Shamrock game like that down there though (though I doubt NBC would be too thrilled). Also not so bad to keep some local opponents on the sked now that we've pretty much dumped Purdue and Michigan.
 

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I used to be of OCIrish's mindset that you shouldn't play "chumps". That's changed for a few reasons.

First, when everyone else is doing it and you are competing for just 4 spots at the end of the year... you do the same. In fact, because ND doesn't have a conference championship to win, they might need two, one MAC, one Conf USA. Tulane and Rice are perfect schools to play as it's 2 steps down without being I-AA and it gets you in two of the hottest areas in the country for recruiting. I wouldn't mind if they used a basketball scheduling model where the contract called for a 2 for 1, maybe a 3 for 1 in Tulane's case. The one game you played there would be held at the local NFL stadium although Rice's stadium holds 70,000 and hosted a Super Bowl.

Secondly, Playing IU, Illinois or low level Power 5 schools in general is physically more dangerous than playing a MAC school as they have B1G sized players at every position... even one that could beat you like a recent run of NIU teams year in and year out pose less of a physical threat. If you are including Purdue, Northwestern or even IU as your gimme games you aren't scheduling correctly for the new 4 team playoff format.

Almost left off Navy... America's most dangerous team who's ND's #2 gimme these days. Nobody else in the country wants to play them because of style and injuries ...and ND can't get rid of them.

I'd like to see to see a schedule that didn't include Navy but that's not gonna happen for honorable reasons so my schedule would look like this:

MAC school: Miami (class) BSU (in state) or Kent St (for Coach Holtz)

Tulane / Rice / SMU - 2 for 1, play in NFL stadiums on the road

Purdue / Michigan St: Long standing rivalries

ACC - 1

ACC - 2

Navy:

Bye

USC

ACC - 3

ACC- 4

ACC - 5

Bye

Shamrock Series: Play Michigan here only and your Texas, Georgia games

Stanford: DUMP and add UCLA. There is 10x more talent in LA/IE/OC than in the bay area. If ND was here every year they'd have 2x as much exposure as they currently do and it would guarantee the players would be playing in front of family and friends every year. As a side note, the value of IE instantly goes up 25% as anti-Mora posts triple daily page views.
 

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No it really does not make a huge difference. The committee last year showed quite clearly that they valued top 10 wins over top 25 wins and top 25 wins over other wins and that's really it. If you're not playing a top 25 team, it should be to one of 2 teams: (1) a historical power for recruiting buzz (Texas) or (2) a team that cannot beat you on their best day. If we beat the dogshit out of Northwestern nobody gives a damn, but if we lose to them we are a laughingstock. The same applies to Ball State. All a team like Northwestern does for us is give us a chance to be a laughingstock without actually giving our team the tune-up/rest game THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF SCHEDULING THAT KIND OF TEAM.

And that's not even touching the fact that even if we do win a close win is extremely likely given the rest-game mentality of ND versus the upset-minded P5 conference team. Guess what we hear then? Do yourself a favor and ask any non-ND fan about ND's season in 2012. "Lol you guys barely beat Purdue and needed a miracle to beat Pitt." Literally NO ONE cares that these are P5 opponents. They know that they are mediocre and that we barely beat them. Kicking the shit out of a MAC team is way better for our image than beating Purdue by ten. That's not fair, but it's the truth.

Greyhammer is all over this and I completely agree. For consistent success we have to adapt to this mindset.
 

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No it really does not make a huge difference. The committee last year showed quite clearly that they valued top 10 wins over top 25 wins and top 25 wins over other wins and that's really it. If you're not playing a top 25 team, it should be to one of 2 teams: (1) a historical power for recruiting buzz (Texas) or (2) a team that cannot beat you on their best day. If we beat the dogshit out of Northwestern nobody gives a damn, but if we lose to them we are a laughingstock. The same applies to Ball State. All a team like Northwestern does for us is give us a chance to be a laughingstock without actually giving our team the tune-up/rest game THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF SCHEDULING THAT KIND OF TEAM.

And that's not even touching the fact that even if we do win a close win is extremely likely given the rest-game mentality of ND versus the upset-minded P5 conference team. Guess what we hear then? Do yourself a favor and ask any non-ND fan about ND's season in 2012. "Lol you guys barely beat Purdue and needed a miracle to beat Pitt." Literally NO ONE cares that these are P5 opponents. They know that they are mediocre and that we barely beat them. Kicking the shit out of a MAC team is way better for our image than beating Purdue by ten. That's not fair, but it's the truth.

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BGI's Lou Somogyi just published an article titled "Beyond the Plateau at Notre Dame":

In an instant gratification culture where news can be "so three seconds ago," patience with a quality coach often can be in short supply. Brian Kelly can probably feel it in his sixth season at Notre Dame.

Generally, he has been classified as one of the top 10-15 college coaches in his field, even top 5 after the 12-0 regular season in 2012 which led to a berth into the BCS Championship and a shellacking from Alabama. Still, how many coaches can go 12-0 in the regular season at a school with virtually no football tradition like Kelly did at Cincinnati in 2009, and do the same three years later at another that had been reeling from inconsistency and instability?

Following that with 9-4 and 8-5 records the past two seasons has prompted some angst that Kelly has hit his plateau as the head coach, or "is a nine-win coach who can't get to the next level." Others will contend that he has some more double-digit win seasons ahead of him at Notre Dame, but then he will parlay them (or it) into an NFL contract. Maybe both schools of thought might prove accurate, or maybe not.

Nevertheless, the coach we thought Kelly was maybe most comparable to upon his arrival was Mack Brown, the University of Texas boss from 1998-2013 who had excelled at prior stops prior to getting a premier job (and will be a featured speaker at this month's Irish Coaching Clinic) and also had strong PR skills. In his first six seasons with the Longhorns, Brown was often lambasted for underachieving (no BCS Bowl in any of the first six) or losing by scores such as 63-14 or 65-13 to arch rival Oklahoma.

Yet Brown's best days were still ahead of him, as they hopefully are for Kelly. He can also look at three other current head coaches at Notre Dame who at one point looked like they had reached a plateau:

Bobby Clark
The head coach of the men's soccer team since 2001 led the Irish to the NCAA quarterfinals (Elite Eight) in 2007, a bench mark for the program, before losing.

In the next five years from 2008-12, Notre Dame either lost in the second round or the first, or didn't even get invited to the NCAA Tournament (2011). In 2012, it looked like the breakthrough would finally occur when the Irish earned the No. 1 seed, only to lose to eventual champion Indiana in the second round.

Had Clark reached his plateau? A year later the Irish won their first national title ever in the sport.

Mike Brey
In his first three seasons from 2001-03, Brey and the Irish were among a dozen programs that had won at least one NCAA Tournament game each of those three years. That was followed by three straight NIT bids, and some admitted self-evaluation from Brey himself on whether his time at Notre Dame had run its course.

Upon further review, he set the model to always try to build an older, veteran team, and recruit high basketball IQ players who stay all four or even five years. NCAA Tournament success has been sparse, but the infrastructure has led to consistent excellence in the regular season, including a No. 5 finish in 2011 with a 27-6 record and No. 8 this season at 29-5, with the school's first ever conference championship (ACC) coming one year after his first losing season in 14 years with the Irish.

We often joke that "the older we get, the better I was." In Brey's case, the older he's growing, the better he's getting.

Muffet McGraw
Upon being named the women's basketball coach in May, 1987, McGraw made it clear that the goal was to be in the Top 20 within three and no more than four years.

Notre Dame did briefly appear in the Top 25 her fourth year, but ended with consecutive losses to Santa Clara, Louisville and Northern Illinois in the WNIT. In year 5, the bottom fell out. Although the Irish had signed some All-Americans, including top-rated guard Michelle Marciniak, the ambitious McGraw and Co., overscheduled early en route to a 14-17 campaign. Marciniak then transferred to the premier program in the country, Tennessee, and the following year the Irish were only 15-12 in McGraw's sixth season.

It wasn't until McGraw's ninth year (1996) Notre Dame actually placed in the Top 25 - the same year it ended a 21-game losing streak to ranked opponents with its first NCAA Tournament victory, versus No. 15 Purdue.

Similar to former Northwestern head coach Ara Parseghian noting he learned the most during his 0-9 season at Northwestern in 1957, or Lou Holtz building a future champion during his 5-6 debut at Notre Dame in 1986, McGraw said her toughest times forged wisdom.

"I had a lot of on-the-job training and I learned a lot about recruiting after that losing season," she said. "It was not fun going through it, but certainly looking back on it I think it really helped me.

"A lot of it was it was more important to find the right fit with a recruit, the right chemistry with the team, more so than somebody that was talented. Notre Dame is a special place and it really takes special people to truly understand that. It was something that I had to learn too. We recruited some really good players, but it just didn't work and we didn't have the chemistry.

"And back then coaching was more of a dictatorship. The relationship with players is so important and I had to learn a lot the first few years on dealing with them."

Because the program was still in a fledgling stage, McGraw had a chance to grow with it.

"I was fortunate because when I came on board here I had a chance to make mistakes," she said. "I don't think coaches now … they're given three years to turn a program around. You just can't do it sometimes in that amount of time. I was fortunate that the administration was patient in helping guide me through some of those early ups and downs."

Likewise, the hope is with Kelly is the best years, however many are remaining, are still ahead of him while with the Irish.
 

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Random story from my weekend:

My buddy's uncle has been doing some work at BK's new home on Diamond Lake. The house looks pretty cool.

Also, he's scheduled to do some work at the Fertita's new place. The two details that stood out: 5 toilets @ $6,000 each and flooring @ $65,000 for one room (I can't remember but I think he said the master bathroom). Unreal.
 

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Random story from my weekend:

My buddy's uncle has been doing some work at BK's new home on Diamond Lake. The house looks pretty cool.

Also, he's scheduled to do some work at the Fertita's new place. The two details that stood out: 5 toilets @ $6,000 each and flooring @ $65,000 for one room (I can't remember but I think he said the master bathroom). Unreal.

CBK lives way up in Cassopolis? Hmm. Is Fertitta building there also?

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I worked for a company before where the CEO once spent $35,000 on a toilet for his office.
 

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CBK lives way up in Cassopolis? Hmm. Is Fertitta building there also?

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Could be just a summer home, but he got the impression that it was to be a permanent residence. No verification though.

The area he was told would be the Fertita's is supposedly near the Commons where all that new development is going on. He didn't know who it was..."some UFC guy," he said. I explained to him about Nicco and his dad. He was told that they're building a place near there for the family to come stay during football weekends.

That's about all the details he knew.
 

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Could be just a summer home, but he got the impression that it was to be a permanent residence. No verification though.

Huh, interesting. If I were CBK I definitely wouldn't want to live that far away; working insane hours and having a long commute don't go together.
 

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Huh, interesting. If I were CBK I definitely wouldn't want to live that far away; working insane hours and having a long commute don't go together.

Cassopolis isn't that far around 30 miles I guess but after 14 hour days I wouldn't want to drive it especially in the lake effect belt. Also, if I'm building a vacation house, I'd be doing it a bit farther away than that and ON Lake Michigan though Diamond Lake is a sweet little water skiing paradise.

Most importantly, I wouldn't want to pay Michigan taxes as opposed to Indiana's
 

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What surprised me the most was BK's house didn't seem "big." It's a craftsman style lake home and it's completely loaded with the finer details. But size-wise...didn't seem huge (relative to what you're used to I supposed...but still).

For the record, I live 50 miles from where I work. Commuting up to an hour isn't that bad. And besides, how often is the guy actually home?
 

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I am pretty positive Brian Kelly and his family live in Granger. Granger is a small town just outside of South Bend/Mishawaka where all the rich people live. His house on Diamond is really just a "get away" house
 

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I am pretty positive Brian Kelly and his family live in Granger. Granger is a small town just outside of South Bend/Mishawaka where all the rich people live. His house on Diamond is really just a "get away" house

That's exactly what I said to my buddy's uncle.

He didn't know if they were selling and re-locating or if this was a second home. He just knew it was BK's.

Edit: I just took it as a good sign that he may be sticking around for a while longer. Unless he becomes the head coach for the Detroit Lions or Chicago Bears. :eek:
 
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What surprised me the most was BK's house didn't seem "big." It's a craftsman style lake home and it's completely loaded with the finer details. But size-wise...didn't seem huge (relative to what you're used to I supposed...but still).

For the record, I live 50 miles from where I work. Commuting up to an hour isn't that bad. And besides, how often is the guy actually home?

Probably a second home.

I used to drive 70 miles one way. It was all interstate so it only took an hour. I used to think it wasn't that bad until I got my new job. Ten minute drive and I save $250 - $300 a month in gas.
 
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