Five Players Arrested

[RDU Irish]

It's a shame how some of the most intelligent people also happen to be gigantic life morons.

Put a shirt on, Max.

This one seems to sum it all up.

I grabbed a ride as a HS soph or frosh with some upper classmen to hop over to another town (around Halloween time with a bag full of TP and other tricks of the trade). They start passing around some booze and I pretty much had to take a shot - what the hell. We get pulled over before I can get dropped off and the car STINKS of alcohol so we all get in trouble. Now I didn't go out looking to be a boy scout that night but I sure didn't think THAT was going to happen. Stuff can escalate quickly and, even in supposedly decent company, you can be pretty surprised by the way life unfolds. Eat your shit sandwich and move on boys.

 

[Wild Bill]

They need to do 4th Amendment training with incoming players I think. Even with weed and a gun in the car, no reason to turn a routine stop into this unless they had something out in the open, the cop had a K-9 with him, or they talked.

The car stunk and Max had his guns out. That car was getting searched.

This would be a hilarious selling point to the parents. Here at ND, we're committed to your son's success in the classroom, on the field, and during routine traffic stops. It's a 40 year decision.

 

[kmoose]

He wasn't just suspended, he was expelled.

Athlete or not it was a ridiculous punishment.

There was nothing ridiculous about it. He was expelled, yes. But the expulsion also allowed an avenue for him to come back, which he did. It's part of what makes ND special. Instead of asking themselves "Why so hard?", they ask everyone else "Why so easy?".


Which approach do you think will serve these young men better, as they matriculate through life?

Here's a good summary of the events:

Kyle McAlarney reflects on dark days of pot charge, expulsion - NY Daily News

 

[OCIrish]

This one seems to sum it all up.

I grabbed a ride as a HS soph or frosh with some upper classmen to hop over to another town (around Halloween time with a bag full of TP and other tricks of the trade). They start passing around some booze and I pretty much had to take a shot - what the hell. We get pulled over before I can get dropped off and the car STINKS of alcohol so we all get in trouble. Now I didn't go out looking to be a boy scout that night but I sure didn't think THAT was going to happen. Stuff can escalate quickly and, even in supposedly decent company, you can be pretty surprised by the way life unfolds. Eat your shit sandwich and move on boys.

I guess this more accurately sums up my feelings.....while I don't think all were expecting the night to go that route, when you're young, and somebody with you is doing stupid shit, then there's consequences, however unfortunate they may be

 

[NDBoiler]

Has any source confirmed that the 4 players got on the plane and are in Austin?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Five Players Arrested

Has any source confirmed that the 4 players got on the plane and are in Austin?

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[dad4aa]

Has any source confirmed that the 4 players got on the plane and are in Austin?

I just texted someone that was at the hotel and they said they are all there.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I don't know, I feel like some sort of discipline should happen with them. I don't think a one or two week suspension would've been that extreme

 

[tko]

I don't know, I feel like some sort of discipline should happen with them. I don't think a one or two week suspension would've been that extreme

I think it was all staged by Kelly to finally get rid of Max. Johnnycando?

 

[NDohio]

I don't know, I feel like some sort of discipline should happen with them. I don't think a one or two week suspension would've been that extreme

BK has stated that after the first weed offense they have punishment but no suspensions. They also go through some help/education about the dangers of drugs. If there is a second offense, then suspensions start happening.

I am good with this.

 

[philipm31]

Well to be fair to Max, he knew only way he was gonna stop anyone on the football field was with a gun Last Boyscout style.

Why am I not surprised that Max was the one with the loaded weapon?
And why in God's name would you even consider getting in the car with Max?

 

[MNIrishman]

BK has stated that after the first weed offense they have punishment but no suspensions. They also go through some help/education about the dangers of drugs. If there is a second offense, then suspensions start happening.

I am good with this.

The times they are a changin. My sophomore year our dorm president and several other well-known, high GPA folks in the hall were suspended for a semester because they were caught with weed.

 

[NorthDakota]

The times they are a changin. My sophomore year our dorm president and several other well-known, high GPA folks in the hall were suspended for a semester because they were caught with weed.

Why am I not surprised a Sota guy quotes Bob?

 

[BGIF]

The times they are a changin. My sophomore year our dorm president and several other well-known, high GPA folks in the hall were suspended for a semester because they were caught with weed.

I know there was a transition from Res Life to the Office of Community Standards but missed the announcement where the ND football was responsible for student discipline.

Don't these Students still have to face a Student Conduct Meeting?

In the past until they do have that meeting and judgement is rendered they are eligible to play whether the coach chooses to play them or not.

 

[phgreek]

BK has stated that after the first weed offense they have punishment but no suspensions. They also go through some help/education about the dangers of drugs. If there is a second offense, then suspensions start happening.

I am good with this.

...I am good with it in practice. The problem is that it seems a departure from ND's stance and approach years past. I don't know how ND itself will deal with the issue, but presume in a way that indeed causes these guys to miss games. I would have liked to have seen Kelly talk about how he will deal with alcohol and drug related offenses before all of this, and for that to be in line with the school's thoughts on the matter.

 

[NDRock]

BK has stated that after the first weed offense they have punishment but no suspensions. They also go through some help/education about the dangers of drugs. If there is a second offense, then suspensions start happening.

I am good with this.

I agree if it was just a failed test. Getting arrested changes that, IMO. Should be a couple of games. I know if this happened to FSU (or similar) we wouldn't be so understanding.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I agree if it was just a failed test. Getting arrested changes that, IMO. Should be a couple of games. I know if this happened to FSU (or similar) we wouldn't be so understanding.

If it happened at FSU, we wouldn't have even heard about it.

 

[Legacy]

Former Notre Dame safety Max Redfield expresses remorse for 'poor decisions'

"The love I have for my brothers has never wavered and will never waver regardless of the poor decisions I have made and will make,” Redfield wrote. “No desire or want is ever worth possibly sacrificing the incredible opportunities at Notre Dame on and off the field, in & out of the classroom. I will continue to learn from my mistakes and vow to never be defined by the few mistakes I have made in my life.”

 

[NDohio]

I agree if it was just a failed test. Getting arrested changes that, IMO. Should be a couple of games. I know if this happened to FSU (or similar) we wouldn't be so understanding.

I kind of agree. However, the fact that they were off campus changes that for me.

What would a non-athlete have happen to them if arrested off campus with weed?


I do agree that the football players should be held to the same rules as the non-athlete students.

But, most of all, I hope that there is a program in place to help kids that fail a drug test or are caught with drugs.

 

[arrowryan]

It could be worse

Charleston Southern players say 30-plus teammates suspended for FSU game - CBSSports.com

 

[IrishLion]

It could be worse

Charleston Southern players say 30-plus teammates suspended for FSU game - CBSSports.com

Man that story is a bunch of bullsh*t.

A bunch of players were told to use their leftover book allowance to buy other stuff from the bookstore to use for classes, which is par for the course at any institution that gives out loan, grant, or scholarship deferments (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

The students are supposed to be able to use that money however they see fit towards academic supplies. Some institutions even cut the leftover money as checks and turn it loose to the student to go into their bank account for whatever use they want. In the end, that money was either (1) theirs to keep from a scholarship or grant or (2) going to be repaid as a part of the loan anyway, so if they keep the whole deferment, they're just going to pay it back like the rest of the loan.

I understand that the rules are probably different for student athletes and any deferments that they get, but that's extremely messed up, IMO, especially when I'm sure they didn't know any better and when they were directed by University employees to use the leftover deferment money.

 

[RDU Irish]

Holy crap - how do you field half of a DII team against a top 10 opponent? Maybe the coach set them up so they wouldn't be broken in half for the conference action.

This DII shit has got to stop - seriously take a bye week and play 10 or 11 games instead of this crap. Stats for those games should not count.

 

[Wild Bill]

Man that story is a bunch of bullsh*t.

A bunch of players were told to use their leftover book allowance to buy other stuff from the bookstore to use for classes, which is par for the course at any institution that gives out loan, grant, or scholarship deferments (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

The students are supposed to be able to use that money however they see fit towards academic supplies. Some institutions even cut the leftover money as checks and turn it loose to the student to go into their bank account for whatever use they want. In the end, that money was either (1) theirs to keep from a scholarship or grant or (2) going to be repaid as a part of the loan anyway, so if they keep the whole deferment, they're just going to pay it back like the rest of the loan.

I understand that the rules are probably different for student athletes and any deferments that they get, but that's extremely messed up, IMO, especially when I'm sure they didn't know any better and when they were directed by University employees to use the leftover deferment money.

Something similar to this happened at Ball State about ten years ago. They suspended a dozen or so players before they played against a big ten opponent.

 

[NDdomer2]

Something similar to this happened at Ball State about ten years ago. They suspended a dozen or so players before they played against a big ten opponent.

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

 

[koonja]

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

Yeah, I bet there are 2 different sides to this story. I'm guessing ~15 used it honestly and in line with the rules, and the other 15 tried to take advantage some how. As they go through the investigation, school sits out all 30 or something like that. Hard to image all 30 were perfectly innocent, and hard to imagine all 30 used it to get some cash.

 

[IrishLion]

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

The current story, or the Ball State guys?

 

[phgreek]

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

Man that sucks. I know smaller colleges have to use cost cutting measures like this to keep their programs viable....ie turn the books in, and hope you can get multiple years out of a single edition. (multiple years from a single edition has not been my experience very often BTW).

Hope this causes an alum to come forward and just fund the books for the team each year...solves a bunch of issues, including having a football staffer screwing around with wheeling and dealing in used books....

 

[Wild Bill]

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

A good friend of mine was on that team and that's exactly what he told me. He wasn't suspended but said it was a common practice and nobody thought it was a big deal until they got hammered.

 

[BobbyMac]

I know one of these guys very well. It was a bit different than just using it on other things at the book store than supplies. They were provided books for free as part of their scholarship and were to return the books for nothing in exchange, since they never bought to begin with. However, players were returning books to other places for cold hard cash.

That was against NCAA bylaws? Oops.

 

[NDdomer2]

That was against NCAA bylaws? Oops.

to someone else's question my initial post was in regards to the ball state stuff a few years past.

and yes crusader it is receiving improper benefits, technically. and yes, i believe a lot of college athletes were guilty of the same actions.