Another Shooting

[IrishSteelhead]

In this weeks episode of YOU HAD ONE JOB....

 

[dshans]

Just a couple weeks ago we were all concerned about our youth eating laundry detergent, now they're all suddenly guns rights experts...

There is not a damn thing that prevents the two (or three, or dozens) of issues being concurrent or simultaneously relevant and fodder for valid debate.

"Expertise" in this is of little consequence. It is a very personal matter for far too many. And that number is growing daily.

There needs to be a rational end, whether driven by constitutional and firearms experts or the "rabble" of victims, survivors, parents, or friends.

Let the rabble rise up to put an end to this madness.

 

[wizards8507]

 

[wizards8507]

 

[wizards8507]

Can someone on a PC embed this?

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784

Corruption on a massive scale in Broward and Miami-Dade counties. Law enforcement colluding with schools to cover up crimes committed by students in order to juice their stats for grant money and whatnot.

 

[Wild Bill]

Can someone on a PC embed this?

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784

Corruption on a massive scale in Broward and Miami-Dade counties. Law enforcement colluding with schools to cover up crimes committed by students in order to juice their stats for grant money and whatnot.

Read this a minute ago. Unreal if true.

 

[SonofOahu]

Never ever ever ever going to happen.

How about:

* 21 to buy a gun, can possess a gun at 16 in the presence of a qualified parent
* Mandatory background check
* Mandatory safety classes & license
* No-fly, no-buy
* Cannot buy a weapon with violent conviction
* Three-month waiting period to buy a gun
* Six-month waiting period to buy a semi-automatic weapon
* Eight-round clip limit


...but while we're at it we might want to question what drugs we're putting our kids on, what foods we're letting kids eat, the impact of social media algorithms designed to take advantage of kids, the lack of built neighborhoods in favor of suburban isolation, etc etc etc etc etc

Yeah, my suggestion will never happen.

 

[SonofOahu]

If a regular civilian with an everyday carry can't take down the bad guy with 8 shots, there's probably a 99% chance that the same civilian wouldn't have had ANY weapon on them at the time that could combat an armored bad guy, clip-limit or not.

You give people too much credit. Most LEOs can't hit a moving, shooting target with 8 shots. That's why all SWAT/SSD does is shoot and lift.

I was a pretty damn good shooter with the standard NRA qualifying exam. I was not so good with tactical shooting practice.

 

[SonofOahu]

if true

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[IrishSteelhead]

Can someone on a PC embed this?

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784

Corruption on a massive scale in Broward and Miami-Dade counties. Law enforcement colluding with schools to cover up crimes committed by students in order to juice their stats for grant money and whatnot.

This is far from shocking. Every school massages their discipline/crime data to look more appealing.

 

[IrishLion]

So the armed security guard at the school refused to go in... and we want to train and arm teachers? When trained security officers can't even do their job in a situation like this?

There's an argument to be made that this was one individual's cowardice in the face of the job he was hired to perform, and that some teachers out there might be more brave in protecting the children under their care, but idk.

 

[wizards8507]

So the armed security guard at the school refused to go in... and we want to train and arm teachers? When trained security officers can't even do their job in a situation like this?

There's an argument to be made that this was one individual's cowardice in the face of the job he was hired to perform, and that some teachers out there might be more brave in protecting the children under their care, but idk.

The Left: You don't need guns. Only the police should have guns and they'll protect you.
Also The Left: LOL you expect the police to protect you!? Good one.
Also The Left: Police shoot unarmed black folks because systematic racism.

 

[Cackalacky]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Needless to say, neither God in the OT nor Jesus in the NT said anything about Americans. Rather, Jesus told his disciples to "take no staff," when staffs were used as weapons (Lk 9:3). And he tells Peter to sheath his sword: "Who lives by the sword dies by the sword" (Mt 26:52). <a href="https://t.co/ta9kPcv3R4">https://t.co/ta9kPcv3R4</a></p>— James Martin, SJ (@JamesMartinSJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/966725529629011968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Needless to say, neither God in the OT nor Jesus in the NT said anything about Americans. Rather, Jesus told his disciples to "take no staff," when staffs were used as weapons (Lk 9:3). And he tells Peter to sheath his sword: "Who lives by the sword dies by the sword" (Mt 26:52). <a href="https://t.co/ta9kPcv3R4">https://t.co/ta9kPcv3R4</a></p>— James Martin, SJ (@JamesMartinSJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ/status/966725529629011968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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"If a thief is caught in the act of housebreaking and beaten to death, there is no bloodguilt involved."
- Exodus 22:1

"When a strong man fully armed guards his palace, his possessions are safe."
- Luke 11:21

"But now one who has a money bag should take it, and likewise a sack, and one who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one."
- Luke 22:36

James Martin, SJ is the worst. Self-defense is not "living by the sword."

 

[IrishLion]

The Left: You don't need guns. Only the police should have guns and they'll protect you.
Also The Left: LOL you expect the police to protect you!? Good one.
Also The Left: Police shoot unarmed black folks because systematic racism.

I agree with the hypocrisy that you hear from the true anti-2A crowd that crosses over with the anti-police crowd, but that doesn't really answer my concerns with the large number of conservatives/NRA supporters that think arming teachers and putting weapons on campus is a good idea.

 

[wizards8507]

I agree with the hypocrisy that you hear from the true anti-2A crowd that crosses over with the anti-police crowd, but that doesn't really answer my concerns with the large number of conservatives/NRA supporters that think arming teachers and putting weapons on campus is a good idea.

Nobody, at least nobody I've seen, is suggesting that all teachers be armed or that we arm teachers who aren't comfortable with it. But if a regular teacher is trained and has a concealed carry permit, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to carry. The idea isn't for teachers to win a firefight, the idea is to toughen up an otherwise soft target to deter the attack in the first place. I see a lot of teachers saying "I'm an educator! I don't want to be armed!" Nobody is going to force you to be armed, dipshit.

For the record, I'm not endorsing this position as I haven't thought through it enough. But I think there's a strawman out there that Republicans want to force teachers to carry guns and act as security against their will.

 

[ACamp1900]

 

[IrishLion]

Nobody, at least nobody I've seen, is suggesting that all teachers be armed or that we arm teachers who aren't comfortable with it. But if a regular teacher is trained and has a concealed carry permit, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to carry. The idea isn't for teachers to win a firefight, the idea is to toughen up an otherwise soft target to deter the attack in the first place. I see a lot of teachers saying "I'm an educator! I don't want to be armed!" Nobody is going to force you to be armed, dipshit.

For the record, I'm not endorsing this position as I haven't thought through it enough. But I think there's a strawman out there that Republicans want to force teachers to carry guns and act as security against their will.

I don't feel the idea is one that conservatives/NRA supporters want to force upon teachers, so I don't subscribe to the strawman aspect of the issue... I just think the idea itself, in any application, might not be the answer.

 

[connor_in]

The Gun-Control Debate Could Break America

A rage more personal than political exists on both sides, and poses real danger to the ties that bind us as a nation.
Last night, the nation witnessed what looked a lot like an extended version of the famous “two minutes hate” from George Orwell’s novel 1984. During a CNN town hall on gun control, a furious crowd of Americans jeered at two conservatives, Marco Rubio and Dana Loesch, who stood in defense of the Second Amendment. They mocked the notion that rape victims might want to arm themselves for protection. There were calls of “murderer.” Rubio was compared to a mass killer. There were wild cheers for the idea of banning every single semiautomatic rifle in America. The discourse was vicious.

It was also slanderous. There were millions of Americans who watched all or part of the town hall and came away with a clear message: These people aren’t just angry at what happened in their town, to their friends and family members; they hate me. They really believe I’m the kind of person who doesn’t care if kids die, and they want to deprive me of the ability to defend myself.

The CNN town hall might in other circumstances have been easy to write off as an outlier, a result of the still-raw grief and pain left in the wake of the Parkland shooting. But it was no less vitriolic than the “discourse” online, where progressives who hadn’t lost anyone in the attack were using many of the same words as the angry crowd that confronted Rubio and Loesch. The NRA has blood on its hands, they said. It’s a terrorist organization. Gun-rights supporters — especially those who oppose an assault-weapons ban — are lunatics at best, evil at worst.

This progressive rage isn’t fake. It comes from a place of fierce conviction and sincere belief.

Unfortunately, so does the angry response from too many conservatives:



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"The mainstream media love mass shootings. I'm going to say it again; the mainstream media love mass shootings…and you, the #MSM, just put out the casting call for the next mass shooter." @MrColionNoir #NRA

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While I don’t live in New York and D.C., I do interact with quite a few members of the mainstream media — from cable hosts to producers to print reporters — and I can assure you that this sentiment is every bit as slanderous to their characters as the claim that gun-rights supporters “don’t care” when kids are gunned down in schools.

Moreover, videos like this run alongside the NRA’s hard turn toward Trump and its angry ads that blur the lines between peaceful resistance and Antifa riots while condemning the “violence of lies” from gun-control advocates.

One thing’s for sure: Every single conservative who argues that such rhetoric is merely “fighting fire with fire” or making the enemy play by its own rules is matched by a progressive who argues the same darn thing. If you’re looking for one, you’ll never have trouble finding a reason to demonize your opponents.

My colleague Kevin Williamson has long argued that the gun-control debate isn’t a matter of policy but of “Kulturkampf.” The mutual disdain isn’t limited to vigorous disagreement about background checks; it extends to a perceived way of life. As Kevin says, some progressives believe that firearms are little more than “an atavistic enthusiasm for rural primitives and right-wing militia nuts, a hobby that must be tolerated — if only barely — because of some vestigial 18th-century political compromise.” They simply do not grasp — or care to grasp — how “gun culture” is truly lived in red America.

This loathing isn’t one-sided. It’s simply false to believe that the haters are clustered on the left side of the spectrum, and the Right is plaintively seeking greater understanding. Increasingly, conservatives don’t just hate their liberal counterparts; they despise the perceived culture of blue America. They’re repulsed by the notion that personal security should depend almost completely on the government. The sense of dependence is at odds with their view of a free citizenry, and — to put it bluntly — they perceive their progressive peers as soft and unmanly.

This divide won’t go away, and it has the potential to break us as a nation.

Unlike the stupid hysterics over net neutrality, tax policy, or regulatory reform, the gun debate really is — at its heart — about life and death. It’s about different ways of life, different ways of perceiving your role in a nation and a community. Given these immense stakes, extra degrees of charity and empathy are necessary in public discussion and debate. At the moment, what we have instead are extra degrees of anger and contempt. The stakes are high. Emotions are high. Ignorance abounds. Why bother to learn anything new when you know the other side is evil?


It takes more than a constitution or a government to hold a nation together. The ties that bind us as Americans are strong and durable, but the great challenges that formed them are receding into the past. Geographic differences create cultural differences, and cultural differences hasten ever-greater geographic change. Like clusters with like, and it results in the fury we saw last night, when one of the bluest communities in America vented its rage at the red emissaries in their midst.

A nation cannot endure forever when its people are consumed with such hate.


DAVID FRENCH — David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. @davidafrench

 

[NorthDakota]

Nobody, at least nobody I've seen, is suggesting that all teachers be armed or that we arm teachers who aren't comfortable with it. But if a regular teacher is trained and has a concealed carry permit, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed to carry. The idea isn't for teachers to win a firefight, the idea is to toughen up an otherwise soft target to deter the attack in the first place. I see a lot of teachers saying "I'm an educator! I don't want to be armed!" Nobody is going to force you to be armed, dipshit.

For the record, I'm not endorsing this position as I haven't thought through it enough. But I think there's a strawman out there that Republicans want to force teachers to carry guns and act as security against their will.

Yeah, the school I went to...probably 2/3 the male teachers were gun guys. If these people are trustworthy enough to have a concealed carry permit, then why does it matter to anyone if they carry in a school as well? Do folks think homie is going to start shooting at students or something? lol

 

[connor_in]

Look, I don't own a gun and am not looking to but saw this and apparently its a thing that is not just from LOD.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lawrence: A bullet fired from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun. <br><br>And yet the president and the NRA think giving teachers guns will stop a school shooter <a href="https://t.co/heze69kRDU">https://t.co/heze69kRDU</a></p>— MSNBC (@MSNBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/967043934601072640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to get this straight, your argument is that because a rifle has higher muzzle velocity than a handgun, nobody with a handgun can stop someone with a rifle in close proximity? <a href="https://t.co/9ATi1PVBBo">https://t.co/9ATi1PVBBo</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/967079957540364290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let's do some basic math. Let's say a rifle fires at 3,900 ft/s, and a handgun fires at 1,300 ft/s. Let's say the two shooters are 100 ft apart. That means the difference between the bullets reaching their intended targets is approximately five hundredths of a second.</p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/967081698008731649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So according to Lawrence O'Donnell, it is simply impossible for a trained officer carrying a handgun to fire five one-hundredths of a second before a school shooter with a rifle. So. Much. Stupid.</p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/967082122631696385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BleedBlueGold]

I think this is a good start. All are valid points. All should have bipartisan support.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LATEST: Florida Gov. Scott’s “major action plan” following Stoneman Douglas shooting: <br>- All individuals purchasing firearms 21 or older<br>- Violent Threat Restraining Order<br>- Complete ban of bump stocks<br>- Mandatory law enforcement officer in every public school <a href="https://t.co/MOuJnK6Ju5">pic.twitter.com/MOuJnK6Ju5</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/967074624960950272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

I think this is a good start. All are valid points. All should have bipartisan support.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LATEST: Florida Gov. Scott’s “major action plan” following Stoneman Douglas shooting: <br>- All individuals purchasing firearms 21 or older<br>- Violent Threat Restraining Order<br>- Complete ban of bump stocks<br>- Mandatory law enforcement officer in every public school <a href="https://t.co/MOuJnK6Ju5">pic.twitter.com/MOuJnK6Ju5</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/967074624960950272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I'm pretty fine with these. I do think firearms, alcohol, voting, and military service should all have the same age, whether 18 or 21 or something else, but my panties are un-bunched.

 

[NorthDakota]

They sure can. A well regulated militia. (Should the Texas national guard possess nuclear weapons?)

This is a conversation about private citizens and sensible regulation of the right to bear arms. The whole defense against tyranny angle is comical because tens of thousands of AR-15s in the hands of macho men aren't going to make a difference against a drone that takes out electricity, water, and the interconnected food system hauling you vegetables from 2,000 miles away.

The US Govt has had trouble with some rice farmers in Vietnam, and has had trouble in the middle east as well. Tough to try doing the same at home when you have to be much more delicate.

Never ever ever ever going to happen.

How about:

* 21 to buy a gun, can possess a gun at 16 in the presence of a qualified parent
* Mandatory background check
* Mandatory safety classes & license
* No-fly, no-buy
* Cannot buy a weapon with violent conviction
* Three-month waiting period to buy a gun
* Six-month waiting period to buy a semi-automatic weapon
* Eight-round clip limit


...but while we're at it we might want to question what drugs we're putting our kids on, what foods we're letting kids eat, the impact of social media algorithms designed to take advantage of kids, the lack of built neighborhoods in favor of suburban isolation, etc etc etc etc etc

Bolded the points I cannot support, not big on the Mandatory safety classes either really, sounds like a burden.

1.) No-Fly, No-Buy? No. The government doesn't need to follow due process to put you on there(AFAIK). Without due process, I don't believe the government should restrict your rights.

2.) Three-months? Why? To buy a bolt action rifle or pump shotgun?

3.) Six months for a semi-auto? <---most guns. What is that going to do? I can't think of any other right I need to wait six months to exercise.

4.) Eight-rounds? Why eight? Also, what are you going to do about the millions of magazines out there that already have more than eight? Also, just from taking a glance on google, you can 3D print these things pretty easy anyway.

 

[phgreek]

The US Govt has had trouble with some rice farmers in Vietnam, and has had trouble in the middle east as well. Tough to try doing the same at home when you have to be much more delicate.



Bolded the points I cannot support, not big on the Mandatory safety classes either really, sounds like a burden.

1.) No-Fly, No-Buy? No. The government doesn't need to follow due process to put you on there(AFAIK). Without due process, I don't believe the government should restrict your rights.

2.) Three-months? Why? To buy a bolt action rifle or pump shotgun?

3.) Six months for a semi-auto? <---most guns. What is that going to do? I can't think of any other right I need to wait six months to exercise.

4.) Eight-rounds? Why eight? Also, what are you going to do about the millions of magazines out there that already have more than eight? Also, just from taking a glance on google, you can 3D print these things pretty easy anyway.

No fly seems logical...but in the execution it has not Been done well enough as it is...to have another right be dependent upon that cluster...no. i would fight that.

 

[Bishop2b5]

1.) No-Fly, No-Buy? No. The government doesn't need to follow due process to put you on there(AFAIK). Without due process, I don't believe the government should restrict your rights.

2.) Three-months? Why? To buy a bolt action rifle or pump shotgun?

3.) Six months for a semi-auto? <---most guns. What is that going to do? I can't think of any other right I need to wait six months to exercise.

4.) Eight-rounds? Why eight? Also, what are you going to do about the millions of magazines out there that already have more than eight? Also, just from taking a glance on google, you can 3D print these things pretty easy anyway.

1.) As phgreek points out, the No Fly thing is a good idea that's been somewhat badly executed. Normal background checks should be sufficient to weed out the vast majority of people who shouldn't be able to buy a gun.

2/3.) A waiting period only has two purposes: to give authorities sufficient time to run an adequate background check, and a cooling off period to keep someone who's angry from buying a gun and using it immediately to shoot the person they're angry at. Three or six month waiting periods seem excessive and unnecessary in most cases.

4.) Agreed

 

[ND NYC]

wow, that armed cop sure did a lot. JFC

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">holy shit … what, exactly, does the Broward sheriff’s dept. do anyway? <a href="https://t.co/MSe6HT8w9M">https://t.co/MSe6HT8w9M</a></p>— T. Becket Adams (@BecketAdams) <a href="https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/967111717657501702?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Legacy]

Never ever ever ever going to happen.

How about:

* 21 to buy a gun, can possess a gun at 16 in the presence of a qualified parent
* Mandatory background check
* Mandatory safety classes & license
* No-fly, no-buy
* Cannot buy a weapon with violent conviction
* Three-month waiting period to buy a gun
* Six-month waiting period to buy a semi-automatic weapon
* Eight-round clip limit


...but while we're at it we might want to question what drugs we're putting our kids on, what foods we're letting kids eat, the impact of social media algorithms designed to take advantage of kids, the lack of built neighborhoods in favor of suburban isolation, etc etc etc etc etc

In response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School murders of twenty children between six and seven years old, as well as six adult staff, Connecticut passed legislation to address type of guns, mental illness, ammunition, school safety, sales by someone other than licensed gun dealers, waiting period, complete background checks, contraindications for gun sales, penalties for violations of the provisions, age limitations, deadly weapons offenses and more.

AN ACT CONCERNING GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND CHILDREN'S SAFETY.

The bill passed their Senate by a vote of 26 to 10 and the House of Representatives by a vote of 105-44 on April 3, 2013.

Here's Connecticut's legislation on Mental Health Reporting:

Federal law prohibits possession of a firearm or ammunition by any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or involuntarily “committed to any mental institution.” No federal law, however, requires states to report the identities of these individuals to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) database, which the FBI uses to perform background checks prior to firearm transfers.

In Connecticut, the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection (DESPP) must report to the NICS Denied Persons File the name, date of birth and physical description of any person prohibited from possessing a firearm, pursuant to federal law. Connecticut requires DESPP, the state Department of Mental Health and Addiction Services (DMHAS) and the state Judicial Department to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the FBI for the purpose of implementing NICS.3....

Connecticut also has legislation on gun confiscation from someone deemed an imminent threat to harm themselves or others.

FIREARMS; GUN CONTROL; LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS; SEARCH AND SEIZURE; STATISTICAL INFORMATION; WARRANTS; WEAPONS;

The Connecticut Constitution also has provisions on the right to bear arms.
RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS UNDER THE CONNECTICUT CONSTITUTION

 

[Legacy]

Doctors Who Treated Casualties Of Mass Shootings Supporting Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Gunmaker (Hartford Courant)

Emergency room physicians, including those who treated casualties of mass shootings at Newtown, Columbine, San Bernardino and Aurora, have filed a document with the Connecticut Supreme Court supporting families of some victims of the Sandy Hook school massacre who are suing a gun manufacturer.

The brief, known as amici curiae, or friends of the court, has no legal standing and the doctors will not be part of the case. But the 16-page document offers graphic firsthand reminders of the damage that the AR-15 rifle, or what the brief calls "other similar semiautomatic assault weapons," used in the shootings can cause.

One of the physicians is Dr. Christopher Colwell, who treated victims from the Columbine school shooting and then years later was called into work at the Denver Health hospital to treat victims of the Aurora theater shooting.

"An assault rifle inflicts enormous, absurd and mind-boggling injuries. It can devastate numerous people in a matter of seconds, including unintended targets as bullets pass through walls and cars," Colwell said in the brief.

Ten emergency room physicians signed the document, including Dr. Barbara Blok, also from Denver Health, who treated 23 of the 82 Aurora victims, and Dr. Kathleen Clem, who treated many of the San Bernardino victims.

Danbury Hospital emergency room physician Dr. William Begg also is included in the group. Begg's emergency room was prepared to take trauma victims from Sandy Hook, but none of the children shot survived.