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[johnnycando]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>ABC World News Tonight just did story on Shane Morris being left in game after a hard hit to the head. Brady Hoke on same newscast as ISIS.</p>— Annie Apple (@SurvivinAmerica) <a href="https://twitter.com/SurvivinAmerica/status/516357776243970048">September 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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The philosopher king.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

SIAP:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Brady Hoke statement on Shane Morris controversy. <a href="http://t.co/w614zG8GSF">pic.twitter.com/w614zG8GSF</a> As you expected, it makes 0 sense.</p>— LostLettermen.com (@LostLettermen) <a href="https://twitter.com/LostLettermen/status/516388223065804800">September 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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If true, it makes perfect sense. If not, he's just in CYA mode. If Morris was evaluated and we didn't see it, then we should back off. The ATs and team docs have more information than us about (a) what a concussion looks like and (b) what a concussion looks like for Shane Morris.

 

[NDdomer2]

So is the school taking the stance no concussion occurred?

 

[Cackalacky]

My initial thought was Dave Brandon sitting there "just claim we got 100k... wait, no... make it a hundred and TWO so it doesn't look as fishy..."

The next headline to come out will be "Brandon purchased 20,000 cokes last week."

 

[IrishLax]

So is the school taking the stance no concussion occurred?

That's how I read it. Cover up the concussion like the Gibbons rape being the reason he wasn't a game participant and have Morris miss time with the leg injury listed as the reason.

If you admit to a concussion, then you basically have to fire Hoke now.

 

[woolybug25]

If true, it makes perfect sense. If not, he's just in CYA mode. If Morris was evaluated and we didn't see it, then we should back off. The ATs and team docs have more information than us about (a) what a concussion looks like and (b) what a concussion looks like for Shane Morris.

He showed clear signs of possible concussion, certainly enough to do a full examination of his retinas, ask a series of questions and brief balance test. Tell me, do you believe that two plays is enough time to do that? Especially considering you can see him not with trainers on tv during those two plays?

I'm sorry, but I see this as as clear of a case of the Michigan staff failing to follow any protocol whatsoever.

 

[Booslum31]

That's how I read it. Cover up the concussion like the Gibbons rape being the reason he wasn't a game participant and have Morris miss time with the leg injury listed as the reason.

If you admit to a concussion, then you basically have to fire Hoke now.

Man if this is the case, that would be incredibly sinister and if it ever got out...holy shit!

 

[Cackalacky]

That's how I read it. Cover up the concussion like the Gibbons rape being the reason he wasn't a game participant and have Morris miss time with the leg injury listed as the reason.

If you admit to a concussion, then you basically have to fire Hoke now.

The notion of this makes me nauseous.

 

[CHIDomer9]

Sure. If he wasn't evaluated at all, that's bad. It's possible (I don't know how likely) that he was evaluated and the TV cameras didn't catch it..

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Take a look at the entire sequence of events in real time. He was hit helmet to chin at 2:20. The staff doesn't get him to the white of the sideline until 3:46. At 4:28 he is still on his feet with his helmet on and talking to 1 UM staff member. No one is looking at his leg at this time, and Morris hasn't yet gotten to the bench or the exam table.

At 5:17, the same UM staffer that Morris was just talking to is still with him as he has finally taken a seat on the bench and gotten his helmet off. At this point I think I have to assume that this guy is not a trainer or a doc or a coach or anyone who would hold himself responsible for a player's safety or ever be willing to look a player's parent in the eye, because if he were one of those people, he would have his hands squarely pushing down on his shoulder pads preventing him from standing up to go back into the game.

At 5:30 not a single UM coach or trainer or doctor is holding him back from re-entering the game to replace Gardner.

If your wife is familiar with the protocol, can you please inquire as to what sort of evaluation can be done in 1 minute 34 seconds, when it is clear that he only had his helmet off for maybe 30 seconds of that time and was on his feet for at least a minute of that time? Are we to believe the Michigan trainers and docs are just so good and so efficient at their jobs that they could clear Morris go back out within this tiny window of time? When it is clear that there was only a single guy (who we have established is not a trainer or a doc) with Morris during his time off the field? What am I missing?

 

[woolybug25]

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Take a look at the entire sequence of events in real time. He was hit helmet to chin at 2:20. The staff doesn't get him to the white of the sideline until 3:46. At 4:28 he is still on his feet with his helmet on and talking to 1 UM staff member. No one is looking at his leg at this time, and Morris hasn't yet gotten to the bench or the exam table.

At 5:17, the same UM staffer that Morris was just talking to is still with him as he has finally taken a seat on the bench and gotten his helmet off. At this point I think I have to assume that this guy is not a trainer or a doc or a coach or anyone who would hold himself responsible for a player's safety or ever be willing to look a player's parent in the eye, because if he were one of those people, he would have his hands squarely pushing down on his shoulder pads preventing him from standing up to go back into the game.

At 5:30 not a single UM coach or trainer or doctor is holding him back from re-entering the game to replace Gardner.

If you're wife is familiar with the protocol, can you please inquire as to what sort of evaluation can be done in 1 minute 34 seconds, when it is clear that he only had his helmet off for maybe 30 seconds of that time and was on his feet for at least a minute of that time? Are we to believe the Michigan trainers and docs are just so good and so efficient at their jobs that they could clear Morris go back out within this tiny window of time? When it is clear that there was only a single guy (who we have established is not a trainer or a doc) with Morris during his time off the field? What am I missing?

This is exactly what I have been trying to say from the beginning. Reps for braking down the timeline.

 

[IrishLax]

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Take a look at the entire sequence of events in real time. He was hit helmet to chin at 2:20. The staff doesn't get him to the white of the sideline until 3:46. At 4:28 he is still on his feet with his helmet on and talking to 1 UM staff member. No one is looking at his leg at this time, and Morris hasn't yet gotten to the bench or the exam table.

At 5:17, the same UM staffer that Morris was just talking to is still with him as he has finally taken a seat on the bench and gotten his helmet off. At this point I think I have to assume that this guy is not a trainer or a doc or a coach or anyone who would hold himself responsible for a player's safety or ever be willing to look a player's parent in the eye, because if he were one of those people, he would have his hands squarely pushing down on his shoulder pads preventing him from standing up to go back into the game.

At 5:30 not a single UM coach or trainer or doctor is holding him back from re-entering the game to replace Gardner.

If you're wife is familiar with the protocol, can you please inquire as to what sort of evaluation can be done in 1 minute 34 seconds, when it is clear that he only had his helmet off for maybe 30 seconds of that time and was on his feet for at least a minute of that time? Are we to believe the Michigan trainers and docs are just so good and so efficient at their jobs that they could clear Morris go back out within this tiny window of time? When it is clear that there was only a single guy (who we have established is not a trainer or a doc) with Morris during his time off the field? What am I missing?

This is perfect. Wish I could condense all of this into a tweet to spread it around.

 

[Johannes]

This is perfect. Wish I could condense all of this into a tweet to spread it around.

"Skunkbear coaches leave injured QB in game to learn him toughness. What happens next is SHOCKING!"

Hey, seems to work for all the click bait ads these days.

 

[greyhammer90]

"Skunkbear coaches leave injured QB in game to learn him toughness. What happens next is SHOCKING!"

Hey, seems to work for all the click bait ads these days.

"Medical Trainers Hate Him! See the one trick that will save you valuable seconds when testing concussions!"

 

[Booslum31]

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Take a look at the entire sequence of events in real time. He was hit helmet to chin at 2:20. The staff doesn't get him to the white of the sideline until 3:46. At 4:28 he is still on his feet with his helmet on and talking to 1 UM staff member. No one is looking at his leg at this time, and Morris hasn't yet gotten to the bench or the exam table.

At 5:17, the same UM staffer that Morris was just talking to is still with him as he has finally taken a seat on the bench and gotten his helmet off. At this point I think I have to assume that this guy is not a trainer or a doc or a coach or anyone who would hold himself responsible for a player's safety or ever be willing to look a player's parent in the eye, because if he were one of those people, he would have his hands squarely pushing down on his shoulder pads preventing him from standing up to go back into the game.

At 5:30 not a single UM coach or trainer or doctor is holding him back from re-entering the game to replace Gardner.

If your wife is familiar with the protocol, can you please inquire as to what sort of evaluation can be done in 1 minute 34 seconds, when it is clear that he only had his helmet off for maybe 30 seconds of that time and was on his feet for at least a minute of that time? Are we to believe the Michigan trainers and docs are just so good and so efficient at their jobs that they could clear Morris go back out within this tiny window of time? When it is clear that there was only a single guy (who we have established is not a trainer or a doc) with Morris during his time off the field? What am I missing?

You should go into Law or Law Enforcement...this is perfect.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This is perfect. Wish I could condense all of this into a tweet to spread it around.

Just write what you want and screenshot it. Link the video afterward.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I watched the sequence in real time. So did their staff. And we're making lots of assumptions about what they saw and didn't see. I know many many ATs. I've never met one who would knowingly send a kid out with a possible brain injury (they don't get paid enough to make those kinds of liability gambles).

I'll back out of the room now.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Who is responsible for endangering a kids health through incredible levels of stupidity?

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[ulukinatme]

Who is responsible for endangering a kids health through incredible levels of stupidity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY

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[ulukinatme]

"Skunkbear coaches leave injured QB in game to learn him toughness. What happens next is SHOCKING!"

Hey, seems to work for all the click bait ads these days.

"Medical Trainers Hate Him! See the one trick that will save you valuable seconds when testing concussions!"

Damn the advertisers that came up with these stupid phrases and gimmicks. They're everywhere...and damn the idiots that click on those links and made them popular.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Did anyone perform the concussion protocol on Hoke? His head has to be hurting. Nothing a couple dozen donuts won't fix however.

 

[Rack Em]

Did anyone perform the concussion protocol on Hoke? His head has to be hurting. Nothing a couple dozen donuts won't fix however.

He lives in a perpetually concussed state.

 

[NDohio]

Dan Patrick going off on Hoke right now. Good stuff.

 

[IrishLion]

While on topic, I learned from a friend over the weekend just how bogus concussion protocols can be.

Some of you may know the exact details, but apparently many schools and professional teams have the same cognitive testing that is done to establish a "baseline" when the brain is completely healthy. Then, after a head injury, the player takes the same test and has to meet or surpass the "healthy" testing level to be cleared for activity and to prove that they don't have brain issues.

What I learned is that it is almost universal that players intentionally sandbag the initial testing, that way they can easily attain that level again when needed, concussion or not.

 

[connor_in]

Damn the advertisers that came up with these stupid phrases and gimmicks. They're everywhere...and damn the idiots that click on those links and made them popular.

I tried clicking on the lines above yours, but they wouldn't work!

 

[IrishLax]

https://twitter.com/espnrnfball/status/516582273714757632

Anyone with insider want to relay who they think is looking around?

 

[PANDFAN]

Just the Chris Clark tweet,then talks about Kansas and their decent class and how the new staff will need to keep our together....was a very misleading headline

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[IrishLax]

MGoBlog spitting hot fire right now... I honestly respect the hell out of their fans for calling it how it is and not buying that clown car of lies Brandon & Co. are selling.

THIS IS NOT MICHIGAN | mgoblog

 

[greyhammer90]

MGoBlog spitting hot fire right now... I honestly respect the hell out of their fans for calling it how it is and not buying that clown car of lies Brandon & Co. are selling.

THIS IS NOT MICHIGAN | mgoblog

It's weird how much I'm enjoying a huge controversy that doesn't involve ND. Is... is this what other fanbases feel like?

 

[T Town Tommy]

MGoBlog spitting hot fire right now... I honestly respect the hell out of their fans for calling it how it is and not buying that clown car of lies Brandon & Co. are selling.

THIS IS NOT MICHIGAN | mgoblog

I dunno. Sounds like to me the incident was the catalyst to write what they should have been writing after the loss to the Irish. Maybe they are just slow learners at UM. But, the writer didn't hold anything back in the article so kudos to him. UM is the poster child for a dumpster fire right now.