2017 Men's March Madness Thread

[ACamp1900]

I saw this and smiled...

Man Unsure He’s Done Enough Research To Take All The Fun Out Of Making NCAA Bracket - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[phork]

We have an Irish Envy one going? Kinda breezed through this thread and didn't see any...

 

[IrishLion]

We have an Irish Envy one going? Kinda breezed through this thread and didn't see any...

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-athletics/316799-irish-envy-bracket-challenge-2017-a.html

 

[phork]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-athletics/316799-irish-envy-bracket-challenge-2017-a.html

THX

 

[BGIF]

NCAA Tournament 2017: What channel is truTV on my television? - CBSSports.com


Links to find the televised games in your area.

 

[Henges24]

Alright, here's a question for the mathematical geniuses out there. I guess it may not take a genius. Just an argument with a buddy.

If you are doing squares for March Madness (or any sports squares for that matter) do you have worse odds for same numbers (ex. 3 for winner, 3 for loser) if you take ONLY the final score of game? Meaning if a game goes into OT you take that score and not the final tying score of regulation.

I was stuck with 3 and 3 so I feel I have worse odds of winning with our group's scores coming from the final score including OT. It may be marginal but I feel I have an argument here.

 

[IrishLion]

Alright, here's a question for the mathematical geniuses out there. I guess it may not take a genius. Just an argument with a buddy.

If you are doing squares for March Madness (or any sports squares for that matter) do you have worse odds for same numbers (ex. 3 for winner, 3 for loser) if you take ONLY the final score of game? Meaning if a game goes into OT you take that score and not the final tying score of regulation.

I was stuck with 3 and 3 so I feel I have worse odds of winning with our group's scores coming from the final score including OT. It may be marginal but I feel I have an argument here.

I would like to say that you have worse odds, because it's unlikely that there will be a 10+ point separation between two championship-level teams. And in order to get the same numbers on a final, that means the game has to be decided by 10 points (or 20, 30, etc.)

So while it's a crapshoot that anybody is going to get the right combination, it's an even greater crapshoot if you're relying on a 10+ scoring differential.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Both of my younger siblings went to Gonzaga. Really hoping we meet them in the Sweet 16.

 

[IrishLion]

I would like to say that you have worse odds, because it's unlikely that there will be a 10+ point separation between two championship-level teams. And in order to get the same numbers on a final, that means the game has to be decided by 10 points (or 20, 30, etc.)

So while it's a crapshoot that anybody is going to get the right combination, it's an even greater crapshoot if you're relying on a 10+ scoring differential.

I guess I could make this simpler by saying that everyone who does NOT draw the same two numbers automatically has a greater chance. Any point differential is open to them. Whereas drawing the same two numbers means you automatically lose in a game that is decided by single digits.

 

[koonja]

I'm not looking forward to ND rebounding against this WVU team. Come on Bucknell.

 

[ACamp1900]

Good job Bucknell... way to let down humanity.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm not looking forward to ND rebounding against this WVU team. Come on Bucknell.

Colson's been outrebounding men much bigger than him all year.

They just need to find a way to get his ankle right by Saturday.

 

[IrishLax]

Vandy dude intentionally fouled up one with 15 seconds to go lolololololololololol

I mean.... rigged?

 

[gkIrish]

Vandy dude intentionally fouled up one with 15 seconds to go lolololololololololol

I mean.... rigged?

He must have looked up at the scoreboard and just mixed up which team was up one. But it's inexcusable.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Alright, here's a question for the mathematical geniuses out there. I guess it may not take a genius. Just an argument with a buddy.

If you are doing squares for March Madness (or any sports squares for that matter) do you have worse odds for same numbers (ex. 3 for winner, 3 for loser) if you take ONLY the final score of game? Meaning if a game goes into OT you take that score and not the final tying score of regulation.

I was stuck with 3 and 3 so I feel I have worse odds of winning with our group's scores coming from the final score including OT. It may be marginal but I feel I have an argument here.

Without having all the data to support it, assuming you are only considering the final score (quarter or half time score payouts will be different); I believe the answer varies depending on the which teams are playing and how big a talent/performance difference there is between them. For example, if the two teams are equal on a neutral court (NCAA tourney), you could expect some sort of normal distribution of final score outcomes for Team A around 0, but not 0. So having 1 point difference is most likely (win or lose by 1), then 2, then 3, etc. You only care about the absolute value in this case. So your answer is having the same number is bad, as the sum of the probabilities of wins by 10, 20, 30, etc. will be a lot less than 1, 11, 21, etc. - especially since 10 and 11's probabilities are about the same. But where 0 is an option at half, that becomes a slight favorite.

But then there is a scenario where one team is 10 points better than another. Your normal distribution curve moves + or - 10 spots and having the same number becomes the best probability for the end of the game, but probably not half time.

The best thing to do is look at the Vegas odds to see what the expectation of the match up is. For example if your squares were on the Florida (-9.5) vs ETSU game, you should be happy. If however, it is on Maryland (-2) vs Xavier, you have low odds of winning.

 

[Armyirish47]

Vandy dude intentionally fouled up one with 15 seconds to go lolololololololololol

I mean.... rigged?

That was heart breaking, and then to settle for a shot from the second row?

Yuck.

 

[NorthDakota]

Lol at University of North Dakota. Arizona is jailsexing these assclowns.

 

[Irish#1]

Vandy dude intentionally fouled up one with 15 seconds to go lolololololololololol

I mean.... rigged?

Chris Weber moment.

 

[military_irish]

The most anticlimactic first round I can remember a long time.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Wisconsin going to clear the path for Dook again?

 

[BeauBenken]

Damn it all Villanova. You always do this. I knew I should not have trust you.

 

[IrishLion]

I've got Duke as my big money team in a tournament auction, so I'm fine with Nova going down. The further they go, the more money I win.

Michigan was my other buy... assholes left me the worst teams to root for with how the auction played out.

 

[NDgradstudent]

I've got Duke as my big money team in a tournament auction, so I'm fine with Nova going down. The further they go, the more money I win.

Michigan was my other buy... assholes left me the worst teams to root for with how the auction played out.

Duke is cheering right now. If you think Wisconsin got screwed in the 2015 title game vs. Duke, just wait...this will be worse...because Duke has an elite Koach.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Let's go X! Woohoo!!!

 

[dwshade]

ACC teams are really sucking so far. Virginia down to Florida by 14. Big fan of UF HC Mike White. And it didn't know until today he's the son of Duke AD Kevin White, formerly of ND.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Current records by conference:
ACC: 6-5
Big 10: 6-3
Big 12: 5-3
Big East: 5-4
Pac-12: 4-0
SEC: 4-1

A bad day for the ACC. Our loss looked like a nail-biter compared to the FSU and UVA games.

 

[dad4aa]

Can't remember a tournament with worse refs. Northwestern is closing in on Villanova and the Villanova defender goes through the rim to block the shot with no call and then the ref turns around and gives the Northwestern coach a technical for being upset and leaving the coach's box. Then Saint Mary's has closed the Arizona lead to 5 and Arizona shoves a player out of bounds and they call the foul on Saint Mary's. Instead of going to the line and possibly getting the lead down to 3, Arizona goes to the line and increases their lead to 7 with under two minutes to play. Not as bad as the others, but the technical on TJ in the Notre Dame game after ND finally stopped WV also had an adverse effect on the momentum of the game. Have seen that happen many times with nothing called.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Good lord. I'm starting to think the ACC grind might be real. Either that, or the ACC is REALLY sh*tting the bed this tournament.

ACC was 0-3 on Saturday, all of which weren't close, especially Virginia and FSU.

3 teams remain out of 9 that started. Way to represent for your conference!

 

[NDPhilly]

Think Villanova choking down the stretch in the round of 32 as the #1 overall seed made me happier than Notre Dame would have winning today. Anyone who has friends that go/went there hopefully can relate with me. Besides last year, they always choke.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

2017 Men's March Madness Thread

This won't be a popular conversation, but when are we gonna start talking about how the ACC as a whole was overrated this year? ND, UVA, and FSU getting annihilated yesterday is a bad look for sure.