2016 Presidential Horse Race

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Utah GOP Cruz and Kasich shutting down Trump

Utah GOP Cruz and Kasich shutting down Trump

Sunday March 20th poll RealClearPolitics

Utah Republican Presidential Caucus Y2 Analytics Cruz 53, Kasich 29, Trump 11, Rubio Cruz +24

Utah has a 15% Threshold. Trump could get shutout.

 

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Sunday March 20th poll RealClearPolitics

Utah Republican Presidential Caucus Y2 Analytics Cruz 53, Kasich 29, Trump 11, Rubio Cruz +24

Utah has a 15% Threshold. Trump could get shutout.

Not shocking based on Romney continually bashing Trump.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

John Oliver takes on the border wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

 

[kmoose]

Without question the country is better off today than in 2008, so "Making America Great Again" is a bit more disingenuous in my view.

There is a VAST chasm between "better off than we used to be" and "great again"...

 

[GoIrish41]

There is a VAST chasm between "better off than we used to be" and "great again"...

Depends on when "again" is referring to. When was America "great"? For manyAmerica is better now than ever and I would argue that for some groups of people there is not a time in the country's past that they are anxious to return to.

 

[kmoose]

Depends on when "again" is referring to. When was America "great"? For manyAmerica is better now than ever and I would argue that for some groups of people there is not a time in the country's past that they are anxious to return to.

No, it doesn't. The key word is "great", not "again". If I improve my 40 time from a 6.7 to a 5.3, I am MUCH better off than I used to be. But I'm not "great".

 

[woolybug25]

No, it doesn't. The key word is "great", not "again". If I improve my 40 time from a 6.7 to a 5.3, I am MUCH better off than I used to be. But I'm not "great".

But if you never ran a 5.3 before, then you aren't trying to become great "again".

 

[dales5050]

Depends on when "again" is referring to. When was America "great"? For many America is better now than ever and I would argue that for some groups of people there is not a time in the country's past that they are anxious to return to.

Just because you want to find your way back to some standards does not mean you want to go back into time for everything that existed when said standards existed.

For example on college education...

I would love to find a way where college education was again affordable. This does not mean I want everything that existed in the 70s to return. I simply want to peel back the bloat that was added that made college unaffordable.

Slashing the excessive administration costs in universities does not mean I want to repeal Title IX. It just means that since 1970 salaries of full-time faculty members are, on average, barely higher than they were in 1970. While during this time, specifically between 1993 and 2009, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent or 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.

Now some will say that in this time of massive cost increases there has been a massive increase of those graduating college but has that really made a positive impact? I don't think it has. All you have done is diluted the value of a college degree while at the same time tied an almost unbreakable weight of debt to most people in a generation.


This is not coming from a Trump supporter. He's kinda crazy. Just someone who can actually understand the idea of making America 'great'...'again'...does not mean going back in time.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Anyone know more details about this story? The news article didn't have much. Apparently there's a different angle showing a white woman wearing a KKK-style hood. If she was protesting, I can only imagine it was worn to poke fun at some of Trump's supporters. I can see how it'd fire up the African American gentleman who threw the punches. But the irony in that situation (if I'm assuming correctly) is odd to me. Which is why I'm curious if anyone knew more.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Went to the Trump rally just to see how crazy it would be........this is insane <a href="https://t.co/QFwSwmNoI0">pic.twitter.com/QFwSwmNoI0</a></p>— Alex Satterly (@alex_satterly) <a href="https://twitter.com/alex_satterly/status/711323486950596608">March 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[GoIrish41]

Just because you want to find your way back to some standards does not mean you want to go back into time for everything that existed when said standards existed.

For example on college education...

I would love to find a way where college education was again affordable. This does not mean I want everything that existed in the 70s to return. I simply want to peel back the bloat that was added that made college unaffordable.

Slashing the excessive administration costs in universities does not mean I want to repeal Title IX. It just means that since 1970 salaries of full-time faculty members are, on average, barely higher than they were in 1970. While during this time, specifically between 1993 and 2009, administrative positions at colleges and universities grew by 60 percent or 10 times the rate of growth of tenured faculty positions.

Now some will say that in this time of massive cost increases there has been a massive increase of those graduating college but has that really made a positive impact? I don't think it has. All you have done is diluted the value of a college degree while at the same time tied an almost unbreakable weight of debt to most people in a generation.


This is not coming from a Trump supporter. He's kinda crazy. Just someone who can actually understand the idea of making America 'great'...'again'...does not mean going back in time.

Your answer provided significantly more detail than anything Trump has said on every issue. Your answer tells me you want to "make college affordable again," which is a perfectly reasonable goal. Trump is saying he want's to "make America great again," which I'm sure you will agree is extremely vague. It compels voters to fill in the blanks (as you have done above) on the issues they most care about. My simple request for the entirety of his campaign is "when is he talking about?" What policies were in place at the time that made America great. We can't go back in time, but we can certainly return to policies of days gone by. Short of any specific policy details, just give us an idea of when America was great, so we can compare the policies of that period to those of today to determine if we want them again.

 

[woolybug25]

Anyone know more details about this story? The news article didn't have much. Apparently there's a different angle showing a white woman wearing a KKK-style hood. If she was protesting, I can only imagine it was worn to poke fun at some of Trump's supporters. I can see how it'd fire up the African American gentleman who threw the punches. But the irony in that situation (if I'm assuming correctly) is odd to me. Which is why I'm curious if anyone knew more.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Went to the Trump rally just to see how crazy it would be........this is insane <a href="https://t.co/QFwSwmNoI0">pic.twitter.com/QFwSwmNoI0</a></p>— Alex Satterly (@alex_satterly) <a href="https://twitter.com/alex_satterly/status/711323486950596608">March 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I don't get what happened here. Why did the black dude punch the white dude? What's the KKK correlation? Can't really tell whats going on in the video, although I watched without sound.

 

[GoIrish41]

No, it doesn't. The key word is "great", not "again". If I improve my 40 time from a 6.7 to a 5.3, I am MUCH better off than I used to be. But I'm not "great".

Actually, his slogan includes the words "great" and "again". He isn't saying he wants to make American great, period. He is saying he wants to make it great "again." It's a perfectly reasonable suggestion that he should define when America was, in his view, "great." I suspect that there would be some disagreement, no matter what time period he is referring to. Of course, everyone has some nostalgic sense that some period in their past may have been better than it is today. His comments are vague and cause listeners to use their imaginations about when he is talking about. Some may yearn for the days early in the Reagan administration or the Clinton administration, while others may yearn for a period prior to the Civil Rights Act. I'm curious which of those time periods Trump has in mind, because clearly a bunch of his supporters are taking it to mean the latter. I'm looking for a little more precision in his language.

The "are you better off than you were four years ago," is much more precise and easy to measure than some vague notion of greatness at some unknown point in the past.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't get what happened here. Why did the black dude punch the white dude? What's the KKK correlation? Can't really tell whats going on in the video, although I watched without sound.

Video from a different angle shows a woman wearing a hood. But again, if they were protesting Trump, I would assume she was wearing it to mock Trump and his supporters (and not that she herself actually supported the KKK). So for the black guy to punch the other guy protester (who was holding a sign that read "Trump is bad for America"), I found myself just as confused as you are, Wooly. However, I shouldn't assume that Trump has zero African American support. I guess I just found it confusing what exactly happened in this video.

 

[IrishLax]

John Oliver takes on the border wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

Thank you for sharing. Some of his stuff can be hit-or-miss, but as someone who actually worked down there on our border security infrastructure and talked to CBP station chiefs and such I can say that he's 100% spot on this. This raises all of the concerns I've brought up in previous threads, specifically with animal migration patterns and why the CBP agents strongly prefer remote video surveillance + patrolling to the idea that physical barriers will stop people.

Fun fact with regards to the pronghorns... when we were working on the Secure Border Initiative we had to have an environmentalist from the EPA with us at every site. Pronghorns are so skiddish that if one got within a few miles of where we were working they'd shut down work. My primary place of work was in the Ajo Station which is in the Sonoran Desert and people forget that 1) animals don't recognize human borders 2) much of the land where people want to do this work is protected.

For $25 billion, you could hire 25,000+ CBP agents (including equipment) for 10 years and have them patrol the borders...

 

[dales5050]

Your answer provided significantly more detail than anything Trump has said on every issue. Your answer tells me you want to "make college affordable again," which is a perfectly reasonable goal. Trump is saying he want's to "make America great again," which I'm sure you will agree is extremely vague. It compels voters to fill in the blanks (as you have done above) on the issues they most care about. My simple request for the entirety of his campaign is "when is he talking about?" What policies were in place at the time that made America great. We can't go back in time, but we can certainly return to policies of days gone by. Short of any specific policy details, just give us an idea of when America was great, so we can compare the policies of that period to those of today to determine if we want them again.

Not a fan of Trump. Not sticking up for him. Was just speaking to the idea.

As for "make America great again" being vague...pretty much every campaign slogan or promise is. Not sure why you're just putting the focus on Trump.

Riddle me this. Just what is a 'fair share'? That's a pretty popular phrase with almost zero meaning. It's just a way for Liberals to say I am going to give you something from someone else.

What kind of policy would need to be created to 1) define a fair share, 2) collect a fair share and then 3) distribute a fair share...fairly?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Not a fan of Trump. Not sticking up for him. Was just speaking to the idea.

As for "make America great again" being vague...pretty much every campaign slogan or promise is. Not sure why you're just putting the focus on Trump.

It's not just his slogans that are vague. His entire platform is vague. He doesn't really have a single real policy proposal other than "I will be so good at ________. No one is better at _______ than I am."

 

[gkIrish]

It's not just his slogans that are vague. His entire platform is vague. He doesn't really have a single real policy proposal other than "I will be so good at ________. No one is better at _______ than I am."

"We are going to fix these trade deals. Believe me."

 

[dublinirish]

"We are going to fix these trade deals. Believe me."

"We are going to kick _________'s butt"

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Thank you for sharing. Some of his stuff can be hit-or-miss, but as someone who actually worked down there on our border security infrastructure and talked to CBP station chiefs and such I can say that he's 100% spot on this. This raises all of the concerns I've brought up in previous threads, specifically with animal migration patterns and why the CBP agents strongly prefer remote video surveillance + patrolling to the idea that physical barriers will stop people.

Fun fact with regards to the pronghorns... when we were working on the Secure Border Initiative we had to have an environmentalist from the EPA with us at every site. Pronghorns are so skiddish that if one got within a few miles of where we were working they'd shut down work. My primary place of work was in the Ajo Station which is in the Sonoran Desert and people forget that 1) animals don't recognize human borders 2) much of the land where people want to do this work is protected.

For $25 billion, you could hire 25,000+ CBP agents (including equipment) for 10 years and have them patrol the borders...

It's almost as if walls haven't been an effective defensive technology since the invention of gun powder. I wonder if Trump is in favor of replacing most of our military bases with castles.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not a fan of Trump. Not sticking up for him. Was just speaking to the idea.

As for "make America great again" being vague...pretty much every campaign slogan or promise is. Not sure why you're just putting the focus on Trump.

Riddle me this. Just what is a 'fair share'? That's a pretty popular phrase with almost zero meaning. It's just a way for Liberals to say I am going to give you something from someone else.

What kind of policy would need to be created to 1) define a fair share, 2) collect a fair share and then 3) distribute a fair share...fairly?

Other politicians give their canned slogans and follow up with detailed plans, both on the stump and in written policy statements. Trump does none of this. He keeps referring in every speech to some mythical time when America was wonderful. I just want to know when he is talking about.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

"We are going to fix these trade deals. Believe me."

"I'm really, really good at negotiating these type of things, just ask my friend______... I'm telling you, it's gonna be good, really, really good. It's gonna knock your socks off. You're going to be so, so happy with my negoating. It's going to be great, just like America will be again, after I'm president."

 

[IrishLax]

It's almost as if walls haven't been an effective defensive technology since the invention of gun powder. I wonder if Trump is in favor of replacing most of our military bases with castles.

They'd be the best castles though.

 

[ACamp1900]

They'd be the best castles though.

With the tallest towers...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

With the tallest towers...

Which are definitely not a form of phallic compensation...

 

[woolybug25]

They'd be the best castles though.

They would be the most beautiful castles... They would be "Trump" castles...


I was annoyed when he referred to the wall being a "Trump Wall". M'fqr... The guy will probably try to get a gold T put on the American flag.

 

[gkIrish]

"I'm really, really good at negotiating these type of things, just ask my friend______... I'm telling you, it's gonna be good, really, really good. It's gonna knock your socks off. You're going to be so, so happy with my negoating. It's going to be great, just like America will be again, after I'm president."

"I know how this works, okay. I take advantage of these bad laws all the time, okay."

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

They would be the most beautiful castles... They would be "Trump" castles...


I was annoyed when he referred to the wall being a "Trump Wall". M'fqr... The guy will probably try to get a gold T put on the American flag.

Wait, he referred to the wall under his own brand? Lmfaooo at all of this.

 

[Black Irish]

It's almost as if walls haven't been an effective defensive technology since the invention of gun powder. I wonder if Trump is in favor of replacing most of our military bases with castles.

With castles, you have the added benefit of being able to rent them out for wedding receptions.

 

[ACamp1900]

He would definitely refer to our board as "Trump Envy"

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Has trump considered a giant moat filled with "fricken sharks with laser beams" attached to their heads?