2016 Fall Camp Thread

[koonja]

No one is even arguing that. lol

Just admit that you're wrong about his high school performance. You are clearly wrong here. Nobody is talking about what he will do this year. You're trying to deflect.

No, his high school film didn't show me 'prolific pass catcher'. That's cool that it did for you, though.

 

[woolybug25]

No, his high school film didn't show me 'prolific pass catcher'. That's cool that it did for you, though.

It did for everyone else here, every single recruiting agency and anyone else that ever saw him play in high school.

Crazy to me that you think the most prolific pass catcher in IL history sucks and was only brought in as a depth guy for blocking person.

 

[koonja]

It did for everyone else here, every single recruiting agency and anyone else that ever saw him play in high school.

Crazy to me that you think the most prolific pass catcher in IL history sucks and was only brought in as a depth guy for blocking person.

You have to stop being so dramatic. I don't think he sucks. I just don't think the USC linebackers are losing sleep over how they'll match up with his ability to separate.

 

[woolybug25]

You have to stop being so dramatic. I don't think he sucks. I just don't think the USC linebackers are losing sleep over how they'll match up with his ability to separate.

Admit you were wrong about him coming out of high school.

 

[IrishLax]

The question with Weishar was always if he could maintain athleticism while adding enough weight... the ideas being expressed by a certain poster are equal parts ridiculous, uninformed, and trollish. That is all.

Also, some rumors we picked up another significant injury today to someone who could've been a significant contributor... will have to wait for confirmation.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Koon > Wiltfong

247Sports national recruiting reporter Steve Wiltfong: “I love Nic Weishar - just a fantastic receiver at tight end that's going to gain 20 pounds and not lose anything. He'll be a blocking tight end. He'll be able to make plays down the field. He'll be able to go over the middle. He's everything that you've seen from Notre Dame's recent run of tight ends. He falls right in line. I think he'll be a big-time player at Notre Dame.”

 

[Southside Sully]

Huh? How can you not wrap your head around the fact that I'm talking specifically about his ability as a receiving threat, not pass catcher + blocker + hands + size... All things that go into his 'rating'.

His film as a receiving threat didn't wow me. That has nothing to do with the other factors that go into his rating. He could excel as a blocker/size, but lack the threat in the open field, and still end a 4-star. It's not as binary as you need it to be to understand. Being a 4-star doesn't mean '4-star at blocking, catching receiving threat, size'. It means overall, 4-star.

Do you think Luatua was given a 4-star because of his 'prolific' threat as a pass catcher? No. It's because he was an elite blocker and a below average pass threat. And that evens out to be a low 4 in their opinion.

I can speak to this directly. I watched him play a ton in high school and he had unbelievable hands, caught anything that was thrown his way. He also was a Double Double guy in basketball with great touch around the net. He is super athletic, and I think when given the chance, will do great. I also was at an event with his younger brother Dan last week, really good kid as well, he said DeShone and Nic are best buds, and that last year the play calling was mainly taken out of the TE's hands. Says him and DeShone have a great rapport together and if Nic was on the field this year, expect him to see the ball a lot more in passing situations.

 

[Wild Bill]

Irish A-to-Z: Nic Weishar – Inside the Irish

Kelly called him “the finest pass catching tight end we saw” on Signing Day.

 

[koonja]

Pass catching is different than being athletic enough to get separation at this level. He can catch as many balls out of the ball machine as he wants, it's his ability to get open that I/Mike Frank question. Roby Toma had great hands.

 

[Wild Bill]

Pass catching is different than being athletic enough to get separation at this level. He can catch as many balls out of the ball machine as he wants, it's his ability to get open that I/Mike Frank question.

Athleticism is only one way to get open, and it's rare a tight end uses athleticism to get separation. Getting a clean release from the line, running good routes, using your frame, finding soft spots in the zone and making catches in traffic are far more important.

And the best way to get a tight end open is to run down hill and use play action. It's nearly impossible to cover a tight end when you take a false step up the field to play the run.

 

[koonja]

You guys are right. Nic is a receiving threat, and Me/ISD are trolling if don't see it. I won't comment again on this topic.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Pass catching is different than being athletic enough to get separation at this level. He can catch as many balls out of the ball machine as he wants, it's his ability to get open that I/Mike Frank question. Roby Toma had great hands.

Moving the goal posts again. TEs who can consistently separate from DBs are f*cking unicorns. Eifert was one, Aliz'e might be another; but even among the CFB blue bloods, those guys are super rare.

Both Smythe and Weisher have the physical profile and skill set to do everything a DI TE is supposed to do at a high level. That alone gives us the ability to be "multiple" in ways that most of our opponents would kill for.

 

[Bugzly21]

Receiving threat. That's why (to me, not anyone else) this is a huge loss. Smythe/Luatua are good inline, noticeably better than Alize. But Alize doubled the production as a receiver of the rest of the TE group as a whole, as a true frosh. And our WRs are all new, so his loss will sting moreso than in most years. In my opinion. Probably dead wrong.

Ya but Durham Smythe had 100% more Touchdown receptions than Jones in 10 less games

 

[gkIrish]

The question with Weishar was always if he could maintain athleticism while adding enough weight... the ideas being expressed by a certain poster are equal parts ridiculous, uninformed, and trollish. That is all.

Also, some rumors we picked up another significant injury today to someone who could've been a significant contributor... will have to wait for confirmation.

 

[Johannes]

Also, some rumors we picked up another significant injury today to someone who could've been a significant contributor... will have to wait for confirmation.

 

[gkIrish]

You guys are right. Nic is a receiving threat, and Me/ISD are trolling if don't see it. I won't comment again on this topic.

So what you are saying is you will definitely comment on this again.

 

[woolybug25]

You guys are right. Nic is a receiving threat, and Me/ISD are trolling if don't see it. I won't comment again on this topic.

 

[Bugzly21]

Pass catching is different than being athletic enough to get separation at this level. He can catch as many balls out of the ball machine as he wants, it's his ability to get open that I/Mike Frank question. Roby Toma had great hands.

This is the question, "If Mike Frank didn't say it, would Koon?"

 

[arrowryan]

The question with Weishar was always if he could maintain athleticism while adding enough weight... the ideas being expressed by a certain poster are equal parts ridiculous, uninformed, and trollish. That is all.

Also, some rumors we picked up another significant injury today to someone who could've been a significant contributor... will have to wait for confirmation.

Offense or defense

 

[zelezo vlk]

Could've been or was supposed to be?

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[woolybug25]

Offense or defense

Could've been or was supposed to be?

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Is he white, black or Asian?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Is he white, black or Asian?

What does Mike Frank think?

 

[ulukinatme]

247 Top 5 Takeaways from practice today

No. 4 - Weishar's vision

Time and again, Nic Weishar gets open. Whether it's in 1v1s, 7 on 7, or team settings, he has a keen ability to find open lanes. Super sneaky route runner that consistently creates space. Irish QBs are doing a nice job of finding him as well.

This 247 website sounds like garbage, they're clearly just making stuff up here. Weisher hasn't been a receiving threat in his entire life.

 

[OCIrish]

Admit you were wrong about him coming out of high school.

Or what?????

 

[STLDomer]

Scout after talking about Holmes, McKinley and ESB dropping passes:

Two recievers who had a more consistent day w/ the QBs were W Reciever Miles Boykin and JR TE Nic Weishar, who is making a habit of lighting things up in the pre-season...

On another note, from Scout's impression, Stepherson sure seems solidfied already as the 4th reciever on the team. Replaced Hunter Jr as starting X at times and joined Sanders in the slot on 4WR sets.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This 247 website sounds like garbage, they're clearly just making stuff up here. Weisher hasn't been a receiving threat in his entire life.

Just pumping sunshine to hype a career bench warmer, like Kizer, Adams and Procise last year.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Weishar was also talked about in Spring ball as being a huge red zone threat.

What's up with Smythe? Is he projected to be #1 or 2?

Also, I am starting to become indiffernt between Zaire and Kizer.

 

[woolybug25]

What does Mike Frank think?

Mike Frank is a racist.

 

[STLDomer]

Interesting on WILL LB:

From Scout's D report and BKs presser. It sounds like they want Bilal to start and recognize his potential (he has gone the first shot at starting WILL both practices they have seen) but Coney has performed better so far.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Weishar was also talked about in Spring ball as being a huge red zone threat.

What's up with Smythe? Is he projected to be #1 or 2?

#1, AFAIK.