2016-2017 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

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Why do you say this?

Others have already answered for me but the Zags just have not been battle tested against quality teams all year. From a talent perspective I would much rather play Gonzaga than teams like Duke, UK, or Arizona as well.
 

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The closer we get to this game, the more nervous I get. I really hope they come out ready to play and not lay an egg. Someone convince me that they won't lay an egg lol.
 

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We had zero bad losses this year. We may not shoot well but we will execute well enough to win, IMO. Rex and Steve can shut down two of their guys, can # 3, 4 and 5 really keep up with our offense? The more I look at our first weekend the more I like it.

I was as big of a Brey basher as anyone. I think he has evolved into a better coach while at the same time getting better recruiting due to the attractive nature of his offense. We have better athletes up and down the roster than the days of Garrity or Harrangody plus a decent guard accounting for 90% of our team's potential - and those guys didn't walk on campus ready to dominate. Kind of a chicken vs. egg relationship to Brey keeping a short bench for so many years and finally seeing ANY minutes roll down the bench the last few years. He has better horses to run.

At the same time, I think time will tell if Brey can recruit or not. He has no more excuses on that front and this run of success needs to translate to raising the floor of the talent. All signs point to success on this front however I worry about him settling for less and exuding an inferiority complex that doesn't even compete for better talent and settles for easier layups.
 

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The closer we get to this game, the more nervous I get. I really hope they come out ready to play and not lay an egg. Someone convince me that they won't lay an egg lol.

I still get the Brey'bee Gee'bees before the first tourney game too. Too many years of failed show ups for the first game.

We'll be fine this year.
 

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We had zero bad losses this year. We may not shoot well but we will execute well enough to win, IMO. Rex and Steve can shut down two of their guys, can # 3, 4 and 5 really keep up with our offense? The more I look at our first weekend the more I like it.

I was as big of a Brey basher as anyone. I think he has evolved into a better coach while at the same time getting better recruiting due to the attractive nature of his offense. We have better athletes up and down the roster than the days of Garrity or Harrangody plus a decent guard accounting for 90% of our team's potential - and those guys didn't walk on campus ready to dominate. Kind of a chicken vs. egg relationship to Brey keeping a short bench for so many years and finally seeing ANY minutes roll down the bench the last few years. He has better horses to run.

At the same time, I think time will tell if Brey can recruit or not. He has no more excuses on that front and this run of success needs to translate to raising the floor of the talent. All signs point to success on this front however I worry about him settling for less and exuding an inferiority complex that doesn't even compete for better talent and settles for easier layups.

+1
 

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We had zero bad losses this year. We may not shoot well but we will execute well enough to win, IMO. Rex and Steve can shut down two of their guys, can # 3, 4 and 5 really keep up with our offense? The more I look at our first weekend the more I like it.

I was as big of a Brey basher as anyone. I think he has evolved into a better coach while at the same time getting better recruiting due to the attractive nature of his offense. We have better athletes up and down the roster than the days of Garrity or Harrangody plus a decent guard accounting for 90% of our team's potential - and those guys didn't walk on campus ready to dominate. Kind of a chicken vs. egg relationship to Brey keeping a short bench for so many years and finally seeing ANY minutes roll down the bench the last few years. He has better horses to run.

At the same time, I think time will tell if Brey can recruit or not. He has no more excuses on that front and this run of success needs to translate to raising the floor of the talent. All signs point to success on this front however I worry about him settling for less and exuding an inferiority complex that doesn't even compete for better talent and settles for easier layups.

I don't totally disagree with you but I believe he still has one legit excuse in his pocket. Swarbrick needs to open the pocket book and improve the training facilities. There is absolutely no reason why the two basketball teams have to share a practice facility. I mean, they practice in a freaking basement lol.

If Brian Kelly can get rewarded with an $800 million stadium facelift for going 4-8, then McGraw should get rewarded for multiple Final Four appearances and Brey should get rewarded for back-to-back Elite Eights. Give each team there own practice floor and facility. It is unacceptable that Brey and McGraw have to negotiate on who gets the practice floor. Thats high school stuff
 

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We had zero bad losses this year. We may not shoot well but we will execute well enough to win, IMO. Rex and Steve can shut down two of their guys, can # 3, 4 and 5 really keep up with our offense? The more I look at our first weekend the more I like it.

I was as big of a Brey basher as anyone. I think he has evolved into a better coach while at the same time getting better recruiting due to the attractive nature of his offense. We have better athletes up and down the roster than the days of Garrity or Harrangody plus a decent guard accounting for 90% of our team's potential - and those guys didn't walk on campus ready to dominate. Kind of a chicken vs. egg relationship to Brey keeping a short bench for so many years and finally seeing ANY minutes roll down the bench the last few years. He has better horses to run.

At the same time, I think time will tell if Brey can recruit or not. He has no more excuses on that front and this run of success needs to translate to raising the floor of the talent. All signs point to success on this front however I worry about him settling for less and exuding an inferiority complex that doesn't even compete for better talent and settles for easier layups.


He's 57, been ND head coach for 16 years, does he need another decade, or two, to learn how it's done?
 

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He's 57, been ND head coach for 16 years, does he need another decade, or two, to learn how it's done?

I think he knows how to do it, but top players don't (or haven't) wanted to come to a marginally relevant program with no facilities.
 

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I think he knows how to do it, but top players don't (or haven't) wanted to come to a marginally relevant program with no facilities.

I think the rigid, tough academic workloads have a big thing to do with it. If you're a top basketball recruit and plan on being a 1 and done, why would you want to spend your one and only year in college at a school that demands good grades? I know I wouldn't.
 

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I think time will tell if Brey can recruit or not. He has no more excuses on that front and this run of success needs to translate to raising the floor of the talent. All signs point to success on this front however I worry about him settling for less and exuding an inferiority complex that doesn't even compete for better talent and settles for easier layups.

I'm not worried about this. He showed a good balance between "shoot for the stars" and "push for higher level guys that should be in our range" the last two classes. The biggest indicator is how Thon Maker's recruitment evolved as it became more and more clear that he was fine with academically-challenging institutions, despite being a likely one-and-done guy.

Once everyone realized that Maker wasn't deterred by challenging academics, ND amped it up and had a legit shot... but then he went straight to the league, so it didn't matter in the end. But what DID matter is that Brey/ND did enough to convince a future superstar that making at ND as a one-and-done is possible.

I think the realistic scenarios for ND grabbing a one-and-done will be few and far between, for myriad reasons, but the simple possibility now existing is a good sign for ND recruiting in general.

I don't totally disagree with you but I believe he still has one legit excuse in his pocket. Swarbrick needs to open the pocket book and improve the training facilities. There is absolutely no reason why the two basketball teams have to share a practice facility. I mean, they practice in a freaking basement lol.

If Brian Kelly can get rewarded with an $800 million stadium facelift for going 4-8, then McGraw should get rewarded for multiple Final Four appearances and Brey should get rewarded for back-to-back Elite Eights. Give each team there own practice floor and facility. It is unacceptable that Brey and McGraw have to negotiate on who gets the practice floor. Thats high school stuff

Yeah, it would be nice to hear if something is in the works in that regard. Continued, sustained success should be rewarded... and Brey's program is running at full boar right now, and McGraw's has been for a while.

If not now, when?

He's 57, been ND head coach for 16 years, does he need another decade, or two, to learn how it's done?

I think he needed/needs time to adjust to the current sustained success, and to learn how to parlay that into a balance of going after superstars, and pushing for high-level, ND-type of guys.

Recruiting to ND basketball isn't going to change *much*, regardless of the success of the program, but it's changing just enough that Brey should be in the conversation for some of the high-level guys that a school like Duke is after.

I think he knows how to do it, but top players don't (or haven't) wanted to come to a marginally relevant program with no facilities.

Sustain success long enough, and the players are going to realize that facilities or no, something is happening that they're going to want to join.

But I'd imagine there will be a small but noticeable uptick in recruiting if Brey is able to start saying, "look what we've done with closet-like facilities... now imagine what we can do if you join our program and take advantage of the state-of-the art facilities we've got planned!"
 

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lolz at people already bashing Brey before the games even started. He's a tremendous coach that has built us into a contender. Better get used to him being around.
 

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lolz at people already bashing Brey before the games even started. He's a tremendous coach that has built us into a contender. Better get used to him being around.

Yeah Brey has done an outstanding job. I have 0 gripes about him. The only thing that I do wish for the program is to add some depth in the front court. It's just tough to get those guys to come to ND. I don't fault Brey at all for them not coming here, but to add that to what he already has would be tremendous for us. Brey has built something special, now the administration needs to help him out.
 

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I think he knows how to do it, but top players don't (or haven't) wanted to come to a marginally relevant program with no facilities.

I think the rigid, tough academic workloads have a big thing to do with it. If you're a top basketball recruit and plan on being a 1 and done, why would you want to spend your one and only year in college at a school that demands good grades? I know I wouldn't.

Being in the ACC has helped him recruit better players. I've said this before and I'll say it again. ND is very similar to Butler. They don't get the marquee kids, but they get some decent talent that's going to stay for 3-4 years. This gives them time to develop and play better as a team and have as much success as the teams that get kids that just stay for 1 or 2 years.
 

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I got Notre Dame 78 Princeton 66.

See you on the other side.
 

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Assuming our boys make a run I'm going to miss both of ND's first two games... sigh...
 

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Good luck Irish nation. I don't follow CBB very closely but filled out my bracket anyways. I got you guys getting to the Elite 8.
 

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Assuming our boys make a run I'm going to miss both of ND's first two games... sigh...

And scratch that... didn't think I'd be able to have the game on at work this easily... def missing the next game if they win though... daughter's BDay at a theme park...
 

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What kind of Nazi regime do you work for???

A data company. the NCAA March Madness app works on my phone, but I can't access anything through my machine. They have lots of sites blocked, like imgur, most gif sites, FB, but then have others like reddit free. I don't understand, but it's fine overall.
 

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A data company. the NCAA March Madness app works on my phone, but I can't access anything through my machine. They have lots of sites blocked, like imgur, most gif sites, FB, but then have others like reddit free. I don't understand, but it's fine overall.

did you try the march madness link i put
 
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