'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[phgreek]

His frame and lack of film showing coverage ability. Nobody is going to draft a LB with half a year of great film as 2 down LB + 6' tall higher than the 4th round. It does not happen.

Look at guys like Matakevich who have YEARS of great film as a 2 down player and go very late in the draft. With another very good year, Coney will play himself into the second round. Without that, I think 4th round would be his ceiling this year and likely worse than that after measurablea testing at the combine. Of all the guys, he's the one with the most to gain coming back IMO.

What's the delta in money between 4th round linebacker and second.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I think Coney leaving would be a big mistake it's risk and reward, leave now you may be looking at 4th or 5th round, stay and have a solid year he will be in the first round or 2nd

 

[BobbyMac]

Nope, just a quick sentence with him saying he's hearing good things about Tillery possibly staying, but Coney looking to leave.

Thx.

I felt that Gabriel tweet was bad magic immediately. Talking to someone in the Cardinals' organization brought up a good counterpoint though. Scouts can KNOW someone is a better prospect but the business of the GM is to sell some glamour and hope with high picks and they win out or push 2nd rounders into the third/fourth. That's why so many mid major / under the fan-radar success stories their are in rounds 3 & 4 because the pressure is much less there to get names.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

What's loy hearing on adams and st brown front?

 

[zelezo vlk]

What's the delta in money between 4th round linebacker and second.

I don't think the LB position matters as much, but the difference in value between Baltimore's 2nd round pick (around the middle of the 2nd) and their 4th round pick was roughly $2.5 million. Picks 47 vs 122

 

[BobbyMac]

What's the delta in money between 4th round linebacker and second.

I think Coney leaving would be a big mistake it's risk and reward, leave now you may be looking at 4th or 5th round, stay and have a solid year he will be in the first round or 2nd

You grow up with nothing at all then say no to $1.1M in the first year of your contract if you are a mid 4th rounder.

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or stay and get hurt like you watched Jaylon do.

A lot to think about. School will be there when he's done and ND will foot the bill.

 

[phgreek]

I don't think the LB position matters as much, but the difference in value between Baltimore's 2nd round pick (around the middle of the 2nd) and their 4th round pick was roughly $2.5 million. Picks 47 vs 122

So I guess the business decision is such that you look at how sure a 4th round pick...if that is highly likely, seems like the question is...how important is $$$ immediately...only he and his family can answer that.

2.5 mil is serious shekels when compounded each year of a rookie contract...not a tough call if parents can afford to insure him to stay at ND and roll the bones on upping his projection. If not, I think you move on.

If you know

 

[phgreek]

You grow up with nothing at all then say no to $1.1M in the first year of your contract if you are a mid 4th rounder.

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or stay and get hurt like you watched Jaylon do.

A lot to think about. School will be there when he's done and ND will foot the bill.

Agreed...i think there are options to protect his 4th round money with insurance...but I'm sure it isn't cheap...so I'd understand either way

 

[Henges24]

Agreed...i think there are options to protect his 4th round money with insurance...but I'm sure it isn't cheap...so I'd understand either way

Unless the rule changed, ND can pay for the insurance. Price wouldn't be a concern.

 

[IrishLax]

Someone needs to get through to him that he's a 5th rounder at best right now as a 6' 2-down LB. Of all the people, he's the one with the most to gain by staying.

 

[phgreek]

Unless the rule changed, ND can pay for the insurance. Price wouldn't be a concern.

Didn't know that...

 

[IrishLion]

If you offered me Tillery stayed and Coney left, I'd take it. Obviously we want both, but guys like Tillery create the possibility for guys like Coney to shine.

Both would be standouts next year on a really good defense, but give me Tillery if I have to choose.

Usually I'd agree with you... DL keep the LB's clean, etc. etc.

BUT with ND's situation, I think this is the one time where I'd take the LB. I have more confidence in Hinish/MTA being solid starters with Ewell/Jayson A. providing quality depth than I do in any of the current backup LB's stepping into a starting role.

Hinish and MTA at least have experience, whereas if Coney leaves along with Morgan, the only guys with experience and able to step in immediately would be Jamir Jones or Asmar Bilal (or else hoping true freshmen are ready right away)... no thx.

Basically, I think there's a greater chance that we replace Tillery without huge drop-off than there is if we have to replace Coney in addition to Morgan.

If Tranquill decides to leave after all? No contest, it has to be Coney coming back.

 

[BobbyMac]

Someone needs to get through to him that he's a 5th rounder at best right now as a 6' 2-down LB. Of all the people, he's the one with the most to gain by staying.

So you think his grade is 3rd Rd+... stay in school.

If it's 2nd round and he leaves, do you blame him?

 

[tko]

So you think his grade is 3rd Rd+... stay in school.

If it's 2nd round and he leaves, do you blame him?

2nd round or better, that's a lot of Cristal.

 

[IrishLax]

So you think his grade is 3rd Rd+... stay in school.

If it's 2nd round and he leaves, do you blame him?

I generally think anyone who is graded second round or higher should leave baring unique circumstances.

I do not believe Coney with one season of extremely good 2-down play is going to get drafted anywhere close to that right now. I think of all the people he'd be making the biggest financial mistake in leaving.

 

[irish4ever]

So you think his grade is 3rd Rd+... stay in school.

If it's 2nd round and he leaves, do you blame him?

No, but it ain't gonna happen! He would be lucky to even be considered in the late 3rd round of this year's draft. Honestly, I'd say he would be more like a mid-to-late 4th to end of 5th round selection currently. He's got way too much NFL stock to gain by coming back another year.

 

[Irish#1]

Just stay, please.

 

[BobbyMac]

I generally think anyone who is graded second round or higher should leave baring unique circumstances.

I do not believe Coney with one season of extremely good 2-down play is going to get drafted anywhere close to that right now. I think of all the people he'd be making the biggest financial mistake in leaving.

As I've said before, I don't personally disagree with you and have that gut feeling too but as I've also said/posted before, this Greg Gabriel tweet says something different and he forgot more about college scouting while scraping the ice of his windshield this morning than I'll ever know.

 

[BobbyMac]

No, but it ain't gonna happen! He would be lucky to even be considered in the late 3rd round of this year's draft. Honestly, I'd say he would be more like a mid-to-late 4th to end of 5th round selection currently. He's got way too much NFL stock to gain by coming back another year.

Until we know what his grade is, all that's just key strokes.

When I add a 17 tackle bowl performance vs a 9-3 SEC team to that tweet, I could see how a lot of NFL War Rooms wouldn't agree with you/us.

And trust me, I hope he's back.

 

[BeatSC]

What makes him a 4th rounder at best? Not sure what you're talking about (?)

Sorry about the late response. Sometimes I do a quick read a drive by response. What I meant is I don't think our best defensive player would be drafted before the 4th round ergo Coney would be 4th round at best. IMO we have a much better scheme this year and depth which has allowed us to play fresh bodies but no one besides Love has really stood out on a national level. Add to that many ND players seem to drop in the projected draft rankings from what people (we) think they should go. As far as comment about Book is concerned he has a lot of upside. Looks like a poor mans Mayfield/McSorley in the making. Sure hope Coney stays because he brings much more attitude to the field than most of our typical players. Has that badass edge to him. He and Tillery can stay and Adams and ESB can go and bring on a few extra high end recruits.

 

[NDohio]

Haven't really looked into it at all, but how do the '18 and '19 drafts compare when looking at linebackers?

 

[IrishLax]

As I've said before, I don't personally disagree with you and have that gut feeling too but as I've also said/posted before, this Greg Gabriel tweet says something different and he forgot more about college scouting while scraping the ice of his windshield this morning than I'll ever know.

I'd like Greg Gabriel (or really anyone) to tell me the last 2-down LB with one good season of film that was drafted in the 3rd round or higher. It just doesn't happen... and it especially doesn't happen for players with Coney's measurables.

If he's getting told that he's an early draft pick, then he's being lied to.

 

[stlnd01]

A lot to think about. School will be there when he's done and ND will foot the bill.

They will? Why?

If a guy gives up his scholarship for NFL money he shouldn’t get to come back for free, IMO. Lots of other people could use that $60,000.

Either way, Coney should come back. If he thinks he’s a sure-fire second round pick, he’s getting sold a line.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd like Greg Gabriel (or really anyone) to tell me the last 2-down LB with one good season of film that was drafted in the 3rd round or higher. It just doesn't happen... and it especially doesn't happen for players with Coney's measurables.

If he's getting told that he's an early draft pick, then he's being lied to.

And if he's happy with Ben Gedeon (6-2/244 vs Coney's 6-1.125/240) money/guarantee in the mid 4th then it might be moot (?) Coney's body of work is good enough to get him drafted there IF some team likes him as much as the Vike's did Gedeon.

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[IrishFanJMercy]

You see a lot of guys who get 5th round draft grades who end up going undrafted. There's a lot of reason for him to come back for his senior year.

He can be 1 of the leaders on this defense, he could be an all american, he could play himself into a lot more money.

 

[Wild Bill]

Does anyone know how Coney would test at the combine or pro day? Maybe he knows he can put up big numbers for a LB, and that'll compensate for his lack of experience. Everyone loves a combine all star.

 

[IrishLax]

And if he's happy with Ben Gedeon (6-2/244 vs Coney's 6-1.125/240) money/guarantee in the mid 4th then it might be moot (?) Coney's body of work is good enough to get him drafted there IF some team likes him as much as the Vike's did Gedeon.

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Is barely 6'. So the comparison doesn't work.

 

[IrishLax]

Does anyone know how Coney would test at the combine or pro day? Maybe he knows he can put up big numbers for a LB, and that'll compensate for his lack of experience. Everyone loves a combine all star.

He'd measure poorly, and he wouldn't run what you want for someone his size.

 

[NDohio]

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[koonja]

Ask yourself this, what round would you want your NFL team drafting Coney in?

I selfishly want him back but just don't think he's going to like what happens if he thinks he can sneak into the draft at 6' with a less than ideal 40, and half of a year as a starter.

You can be undersized and slow, but you had better be productive in college and almost be a household name. Even then, you're not going early.