'08 GA CB/S Jamoris Slaughter (Signed LOI to ND)

[Corry]

Someone want to remind me what Jamoris Slaughter did to deserve what you all are saying about him besides playing hard every game, starting 19 games over basically 3 seasons, and overcoming a serious injury to get drafted into the NFL?

You of all people should know what happens when someone goes against Kelly.

 

[gkIrish]

No one is saying that he can't have his opinion or siding with CBK here. Everyone that has a brain knows it was a bad move and Kelly did in fact apologized in his presser, today. But the thing is that we don't agree that he posted that and made the University's football coach look worse than he already is. The moment you have the entire alumni bitching about the current football coach, it will not be a good thing. Everyone is taking his comment as in a "hey everyone, follow me and lets have an uprising to get CBK fired".

I agree that he shouldn't have made the post (despite agreeing with the content of the post). But I don't think that mistake warrants treating him like dirt.

 

[#1rish]

I guess I'm just not a fan of airing dirty laundry.

"But this aint nothing new, if you played for the Irish and you've been in that locker room you know what I'm talking about."

That just irks me.

 

[gkIrish]

I guess I'm just not a fan of airing dirty laundry.

"But this aint nothing new, if you played for the Irish and you've been in that locker room you know what I'm talking about."

That just irks me.

It's not a secret that many of the Weis recruits are not Brian Kelly fans.

 

[PANDFAN]

It's not a secret that many of the Weis recruits are not Brian Kelly fans.

they didn't want to play for 4 quarters

 

[Henges24]

It's not a secret that many of the Weis recruits are not Brian Kelly fans.

Was just about to post something like this back to your reply.

They shouldn't like him. Remember when Kelly called them out in his 2nd year? He said something about "His guys". He's equivalent to a step-father to most of these guys. The only player I can think of that openly appreciates Kelly is Riddick.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's not a secret that many of the Weis recruits are not Brian Kelly fans.

There are few situations in which it is appropriate to publicly run down one's own family. That same logic extends to one's alma mater. I won't attempt to defend every comment that's been directed toward Jamoris here today (mostly because I haven't read them all), but it is entirely appropriate that he should be criticized for that post.

The only player I can think of that openly appreciates Kelly is Riddick.

Harrison Smith, as well.

 

[ulukinatme]

Someone posted this on another board, full post?

I don't have face book.

I agree with him

Disagree. First, who did the post come from? [EDIT] nm, guess it came from Gerome Sapp. If that's true, he played mostly under Davie and Willingham, not exactly the most fiery of coaches. Still, if that came from Sapp, I'm disappointed in our English department and dshans would be heartbroken. There are errors in that statement. I guess I question who really wrote it, it comes off more like a guy that is embellishing to create credibility, that was my first impression. It doesn't come off like an ND grad that went to Harvard Business School, if you ask me.
Second, he makes a point to say "how would Kelly feel if Swarbrick came down and jacked him up for losing a game?" Wat? Different circumstance here. While Kelly went a bit overboard, Grimes was not being smart and was about to cost us a possible penalty with a very close game on the line. It was a mental error, and it would have been a very preventable mistake and a stupid penalty that could only be avoided if someone stepped in and pulled Grimes aside. Can you imagine how it would have looked if Grimes picks up that penalty and no one did anything? There would be bigger questions about why someone didn't step in and do something.
I agree on his point that it could hurt recruiting, but keep in mind that we've "known" about purple face since 2011 and it hasn't really hurt recruiting yet. While I know other teams are trying to use it against us, we're still going to get our guys.
Kelly has been successful at every level he's coached at, and I'm sure losing his temper is not something he's just done at ND. You have to also look at the fact that his former assistants often come back to work for him despite his temper, so I'm sure he's a fairly reasonable person to work for most of the time otherwise these people would not come back to work for him.

 

[gkIrish]

There are few situations in which it is appropriate to publicly run down one's own family. That same logic extends to one's alma mater. I won't attempt to defend every comment that's been directed toward Jamoris here today (mostly because I haven't read them all), but it is entirely appropriate that he should be criticized for that post..

Agree that he shouldn't have made the posts. Don't agree that he should be compared to DD or made fun of for having an unaspiring NFL career.

 

[yankeeND]

Honestly I am glad Kelly ackowledged it and apologized. Now we can move on to Pitt. Personally I don't think it's that big of a deal, but the world we live in today is different. They were both wrong, and as long as everyone learns from it, it won't be a big deal.

 

[Irish#1]

It's not a secret that many of the Weis recruits are not Brian Kelly fans.

Was just about to post something like this back to your reply.

They shouldn't like him. Remember when Kelly called them out in his 2nd year? He said something about "His guys". He's equivalent to a step-father to most of these guys. The only player I can think of that openly appreciates Kelly is Riddick.

True, but time to grow up and let it go.

 

[returnofthemack]

For as good as BK usually is as far as politics, he does some stupid shit sometimes. He could have defused this from the start by saying that he had to stop Grimes and may have went a little overboard and then saying they would handle it internally. Instead, he was brusque about the topic and just said they'd handle it internally. I understand it's not a big deal, but these are things that he should know how to handle in a press conference.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I agree that he shouldn't have made the post (despite agreeing with the content of the post). But I don't think that mistake warrants treating him like dirt.

Fair.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

For as good as BK usually is as far as politics, he does some stupid shit sometimes. He could have defused this from the start by saying that he had to stop Grimes and may have went a little overboard and then saying they would handle it internally. Instead, he was brusque about the topic and just said they'd handle it internally. I understand it's not a big deal, but these are things that he should know how to handle in a press conference.

Yes.

 

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just saw this and was about to post

 

[IrishLax]

Jamoris Slaughter is entitle to his opinion. And it's no secret that like 80% of the Weis recruited players HATED Kelly. I don't hold that against those who got on board and still gave their all... guys like Jamoris Slaughter. It also bears worth saying that Slaughter was a teammate of Grimes. He views it like Kelly assaulting a brother.

Again, the TP article tackles the issue about as well as can be stated. There is a small percentage of people with an axe to grind on Kelly and will leverage situations like this for their end. On that same day, you had a North Carolina State coach shove DeShaun Watson... and no one cares. Kelly has a 3 second altercation with his assistant coach? Everyone's got to opine on how much of a monster that makes him. Come the fuck on people...

Also, DaVaris Daniels is responsible for some of the biggest embarrassments to ND... after being given so many second chances. Even being at ND was as second chance for him, as Kelly fought HARD to get him past admissions. Kelly did all that and Daniels promptly sabotaged himself and the program at every turn. I have little to no respect for Daniels or his opinion.

 

[ColinKSU]

When a knucklehead who doesn't get it like DaVaris has your back, you should reevaluate your position.

 

[IrishLax]

Also, Gerome Sapp's post is great because it belies both the most important truths and fallacies at the same time.

"If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs.." -- that's literally what Kelly is doing, stopping Grimes from acting dumb.

"to attack Grimes The way he did and be so indifferent about an apology, that completely undermines Grimes' authority with the players, and for 'some' players It creates a certain level of doubt and uncertainty as to how Kelly feels about them as men." -- this is a black guy projecting about a white coach. Nothing more, nothing less. Because Kelly absolutely did say today that he wished he had handled it differently and that he and Grimes had talked it out.

"how would he like it if Jack Swarbrick stormed down to the sideline and jacked him up after losing certain games" -- false equivalencies are fun, and pretty much every person I've seen critique Kelly has presented one.

"What Kelly did will have a negative affect on recruiting" -- YUP. And this is the big issue. You got guys like Mora getting into minute long screaming matches with other coaches on the sideline and no one cares. Matt Rhule yelling at Cole Luke... no one cares. And on and on and on. Kelly takes 3 seconds pulling Grimes away from a ref? Well, thanks to these people and the media it is SERIOUS neg recruiting fuel. It's the biggest card (besides weather) that other schools play against us right now.

"I've never been a head coach I can't even imagine the pressure Kelly feels week to week. I tip my hat to the job he's done thus far. But I have led packs of high strung alpha males that only understand violence and aggression. What makes someone the alpha dog isn't always how much more aggression and violence you can display over the other dogs, it's sometimes how your able to keep the pack calm and focused on the next 'meal' when the **** is hitting the fan all around. Let's do better Kelly." -- and in closing, Sapp nails it. Kelly is at his best when he's in "stern teacher mode" not when he is apoplectic. Changes in his demeanor after 2011 have been very effective in getting the most out of the team. Kelly could've definitely handled the Grimes situation with much less aggression.

 

[NDdomer2]

Also, Gerome Sapp's post is great because it belies both the most important truths and fallacies at the same time.

"If you can keep your head when all around you are losing theirs.." -- that's literally what Kelly is doing, stopping Grimes from acting dumb.

"to attack Grimes The way he did and be so indifferent about an apology, that completely undermines Grimes' authority with the players, and for 'some' players It creates a certain level of doubt and uncertainty as to how Kelly feels about them as men." -- this is a black guy projecting about a white coach. Nothing more, nothing less. Because Kelly absolutely did say today that he wished he had handled it differently and that he and Grimes had talked it out.

"how would he like it if Jack Swarbrick stormed down to the sideline and jacked him up after losing certain games" -- false equivalencies are fun, and pretty much every person I've seen critique Kelly has presented one.

"What Kelly did will have a negative affect on recruiting" -- YUP. And this is the big issue. You got guys like Mora getting into minute long screaming matches with other coaches on the sideline and no one cares. Matt Rhule yelling at Cole Luke... no one cares. And on and on and on. Kelly takes 3 seconds pulling Grimes away from a ref? Well, thanks to these people and the media it is SERIOUS neg recruiting fuel. It's the biggest card (besides weather) that other schools play against us right now.

"I've never been a head coach I can't even imagine the pressure Kelly feels week to week. I tip my hat to the job he's done thus far. But I have led packs of high strung alpha males that only understand violence and aggression. What makes someone the alpha dog isn't always how much more aggression and violence you can display over the other dogs, it's sometimes how your able to keep the pack calm and focused on the next 'meal' when the **** is hitting the fan all around. Let's do better Kelly." -- and in closing, Sapp nails it. Kelly is at his best when he's in "stern teacher mode" not when he is apoplectic. Changes in his demeanor after 2011 have been very effective in getting the most out of the team. Kelly could've definitely handled the Grimes situation with much less aggression.

didnt we land a top 50 player in'17 class days after this outburst?

The affect on recruiting is what it is. Those who make it an issue and those who don't just like past players, media, etc.

 

[GBdomer]

Clearly Slaughter is a Weis guy.

 

[JD Irish]

This reaction is disappointing. I really liked Slaughter as a player. He got much better as a player under Kelly, does that not matter to him at all?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'08 GA CB/S Jamoris Slaughter (Signed LOI to ND)

Haven't seen this thread bumped in a while. Was he medically cleared for a 13th year or something?


*In all honesty, if Grimes is his buddy, why did Slaughter insult him so badly in the comments? They basically read Grimes is an easy target/pantywaist and a Longo is a fire-breathing dragon.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Disagree. First, who did the post come from? [EDIT] nm, guess it came from Gerome Sapp. If that's true, he played mostly under Davie and Willingham, not exactly the most fiery of coaches. Still, if that came from Sapp, I'm disappointed in our English department and dshans would be heartbroken. There are errors in that statement. I guess I question who really wrote it, it comes off more like a guy that is embellishing to create credibility, that was my first impression. It doesn't come off like an ND grad that went to Harvard Business School, if you ask me.
Second, he makes a point to say "how would Kelly feel if Swarbrick came down and jacked him up for losing a game?" Wat? Different circumstance here. While Kelly went a bit overboard, Grimes was not being smart and was about to cost us a possible penalty with a very close game on the line. It was a mental error, and it would have been a very preventable mistake and a stupid penalty that could only be avoided if someone stepped in and pulled Grimes aside. Can you imagine how it would have looked if Grimes picks up that penalty and no one did anything? There would be bigger questions about why someone didn't step in and do something.
I agree on his point that it could hurt recruiting, but keep in mind that we've "known" about purple face since 2011 and it hasn't really hurt recruiting yet. While I know other teams are trying to use it against us, we're still going to get our guys.
Kelly has been successful at every level he's coached at, and I'm sure losing his temper is not something he's just done at ND. You have to also look at the fact that his former assistants often come back to work for him despite his temper, so I'm sure he's a fairly reasonable person to work for most of the time otherwise these people would not come back to work for him.

Different circumstances? Hell, yeah!

There is no comparison between anything Brian Kelly does on the sideline, and anything Jack Swarbrick does! Period. I believe that Swarbrick has the right to relieve Kelly of his duties, at any time. But of course, Jack is answerable for his actions to the board.

But no one, not Swarbrick, not Jenkins, not the ghost of Knute Rockne, has the right to overrule Kelly on the sideline. It is in his contract, and the contract of every college head coach. They are absolutely responsible for their actions and the product they produce. So, all of the legal actions of Jack Swarbrick need to take place away from the sideline.

As far as this incident, I agree with those that are embarrassed that this was the best Brian Kelly could do in the situation. (But have you ever seen so poorly officiated a game, ever?)

As far as how any player would or should feel after seeing Kelly, is that if he says something (and he and/or Longo warned Grimes at least four times,) and someone choses to ignore it, they are going to end up with his boot up their ass.

Best example of this is George Patton. Guy just couldn't keep himself out of hot water. But nobody killed Germans faster or in greater numbers! So, what did they want? And everyone interested in this subject needs to ask themselves what they want!

 

[ulukinatme]

Best example of this is George Patton. Guy just couldn't keep himself out of hot water. But nobody killed Germans faster or in greater numbers! So, what did they want? And everyone interested in this subject needs to ask themselves what they want!

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The Irish are a team. They live, eat, sleep, and fight as a team. This individual player stuff is bullshit. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for ESPN don't know any more about real football than they do about ****ing. And we have the best team—we have the finest training table and apparel provider, the best school and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor Panthers we're going up against.

 

[NDRock]

Best example of this is George Patton. Guy just couldn't keep himself out of hot water. But nobody killed Germans faster or in greater numbers! So, what did they want? And everyone interested in this subject needs to ask themselves what they want!

Well, except the Soviets. I think something like 7/8 Germans killed in WWII were on the Eastern front. Pretty crazy stuff.

As far as Kelly goes, yeah he probably wished he handled it slightly differently. IMO, not that big a deal. Being ranked #5 sure helps.

 

[Grahambo]

Absolutely love what BK did.

 

[bkess8]

Absolutely love what BK did.

I'm in the same boat!

 

[dwshade]

According to Aaron Taylor on the CBSsportsnetwork this wasn't the first time Grimes has been a problem on the sidelines for berating an official. In this case the official went to Kelly and warned him he was about to call a 15 yard penalty on Grimes. Might be best to just keep him off the sidelines.

 

[ulukinatme]

According to Aaron Taylor on the CBSsportsnetwork this wasn't the first time Grimes has been a problem on the sidelines for berating an official. In this case the official went to Kelly and warned him he was about to call a 15 yard penalty on Grimes. Might be best to just keep him off the sidelines.

Wow, didn't hear that till now. If that's the case, sounds like Grimes already had a warning and BK is more within his rights to get after him in a close game like he did Saturday.