'08 GA CB/S Jamoris Slaughter (Signed LOI to ND)

[ThePiombino]

According to Aaron Taylor on the CBSsportsnetwork this wasn't the first time Grimes has been a problem on the sidelines for berating an official. In this case the official went to Kelly and warned him he was about to call a 15 yard penalty on Grimes. Might be best to just keep him off the sidelines.

But we won't hear about this in the national media, will we. Just doesn't fit the "BK is a monster" narrative. Where his BOYZZZZZZZZZZZ at now??

 

[Crazy Balki]

Well, except the Soviets. I think something like 7/8 Germans killed in WWII were on the Eastern front. Pretty crazy stuff.

As far as Kelly goes, yeah he probably wished he handled it slightly differently. IMO, not that big a deal. Being ranked #5 sure helps.

To be fair, I think it was less the Soviets, and more the fact that their d*cks were falling off from the Russian blizzards.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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The Irish are a team. They live, eat, sleep, and fight as a team. This individual player stuff is bull****. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for ESPN don't know any more about real football than they do about ****ing. And we have the best team—we have the finest training table and apparel provider, the best school and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor Panthers we're going up against.

That is exactly it! Here is to the Irish going through their opponents like crap through a goose!

• Murderously simple, and to the point;
• Indicative of an attitude and toughness that heretofore has been missing, (for about 20 years!);
• What it takes besides talent and a plan to win at the top.

Well, except the Soviets. I think something like 7/8 Germans killed in WWII were on the Eastern front. Pretty crazy stuff.

As far as Kelly goes, yeah he probably wished he handled it slightly differently. IMO, not that big a deal. Being ranked #5 sure helps.

Not to get argumentative and pissy, but this is a good illustration of how the back and forth can get off topic. I do not begrudge the Soviet effort against the Nazi's; nor do I have anything but respect for the posters taking part in this thread.

Maybe I could have been a little more succinct in my statement, but George Patton's commands had the highest kill ratio's in the European Theater of the Second World War.

1. They amassed their inflicted casualties in the least amount of time;
2. Were more likely to fight top German units, as opposed to units made up of German allies, and slaves;
3. Did it with unbelievably low casualty ratio's. If you look at America's entire losses in the Second World War, they approached 500,000 troops. The Soviets, (and the actual number is still classified), lost between three and six times that occurred at Stalingrad and Kiev. Another way of looking at it is that there wasn't a three month period between the beginning of 1941 and the end of the war that the Soviets didn't loose as many men as America did in the entire war!

So my simple point was Patton was an efficient killing bastard. Which was his job. He was the best at it and offered few apologies. Did he leave something to be desired in his overall 'countenance?' Sure. But he wasn't getting paid to be a Dale Carnegie instructor!

 

[NDRock]

Not to get argumentative and pissy, but this is a good illustration of how the back and forth can get off topic. I do not begrudge the Soviet effort against the Nazi's; nor do I have anything but respect for the posters taking part in this thread.

Yeah, my fault. I just find the Eastern front war quite fascinating. One quick story further off topic. My wife is German and grew up in Germany (her mom is American though). The first time we went over to visit (2000) her German grandparents were still alive. The grandmother had a picture of her brother in the kitchen and told me the story of him coming home on leave from the Eastern front and crying to her before going back because he knew he would never come home again. He didn't, they never found his body.

My wife's grandfather on the other hand was on one of the last U-boats (U-190) captured in the war. He said that he was lucky to be caught and sent to England instead of Russia. To paraphrase, "In Russia I would have been killed, in England I learned to play soccer".

It was neat to take to people on "the other side" for once. Sorry for the additional sidetrack although talking about WWII in a topic named for Slaughter seems okay. You're right though, Patton was a beast and so was the American army in that war. Great men.

 

[BGIF]

I'm in the same boat!

It's a big boat!

 

[BGIF]

According to Aaron Taylor on the CBSsportsnetwork this wasn't the first time Grimes has been a problem on the sidelines for berating an official. In this case the official went to Kelly and warned him he was about to call a 15 yard penalty on Grimes. Might be best to just keep him off the sidelines.

Bumped for the purple faced posters that have been screaming at the wrong person.

 

[ThePiombino]

Bumped for the purple faced posters that have been screaming at the wrong person.

Amen to that.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

According to Aaron Taylor on the CBSsportsnetwork this wasn't the first time Grimes has been a problem on the sidelines for berating an official. In this case the official went to Kelly and warned him he was about to call a 15 yard penalty on Grimes. Might be best to just keep him off the sidelines.

Do you have a link? On TV? Radio? Google didn't help me here.

 

[PANDFAN]

found this response by WILTFONG beautiful

found this response by WILTFONG beautiful

I've had time to think about this since Saturday and talk to folks that were on the sideline.

Point blank Grimes absolutely was at fault here. He has to know his role and he was outside of that. Completely unacceptable.

Saturday night was a high stakes game and Grimes almost cost the ND football team, doing something he had no business doing.

What Grimes was doing was brought to Coach Kelly's attention and a very intense Coach Kelly who is in the moment coaching a tough football game thinking about his next play then has to handle this? Well he took care of it.

Now it's easy for us (including me) to say hey I wish BK would not have put his hands on Grimes. But he did and in my opinion what Grimes did was something he theoretically could lose his job over, so getting pushed back by BK is certainly not that big of a deal when you look at the alternative.

BK does not owe Grimes an apology. Grimes owes ND and BK an apology for putting the football program and the head coach in that position.

My take after hearing everything.

I remember thinking when it happened I wish BK didn't do it, I'm glad Grimes didn't escalate it and the media is going to blow this up. Those were my initial thoughts. Today, my thoughts are Grimes was completely wrong, and BK handled it the way he handled it in the heat of a very intense football game.

For those saying if my boss did that to me he'd be fired is not a valid point because your office or place of work is not on a football field where yes there are a different set of rules.

 

[#1rish]

Good insight. Thanks for posting Panda.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Point blank Grimes absolutely was at fault here. He has to know his role and he was outside of that. Completely unacceptable.

Just another blinkered Kelly apologist, reflexively denying what even fair-minded observers like Annie Apple, ESPN and Davaris Daniels can see.

 

[dales5050]

Jamoris Slaughter is entitle to his opinion. And it's no secret that like 80% of the Weis recruited players HATED Kelly.

I think beyond these players having issue with Kelly when there were at ND...Kelly has not been shy to call out the differences between this team and even the 2012 team that played for a NC. I know the former players read those comments. I know they read between the lines in Kelly essentially calling them 'soft' and not tough enough mentally. At least compared to this years team or his recruits.

I don't think there is any love lost on either side of the table.

The difference is BK gets to make those comments to the media or on a Showtime series. Former players get to make their comments on Facebook. Different audiences.

All that said, even if BK was the BIGGEST jerk to you as a HC, I have no idea why a former player would want to go public and speak bad about the university or the football coach. It makes no sense to me.

BK has said 10 years is too long for the job and he's in year 6. He will be gone soon. Why a former player would want to possibly hurt their connections to the ND network by doing something like this just does not make any sense.

I liked Slaughter and wished he had a better run in the NFL. Could really care less about DD. But both of these guys are going to need ND more than ND needs them for the next 40 years.....

Makes no sense...

 

[gkIrish]

Has anyone said Grimes was not at fault? Grimes clearly deserved a scolding, maybe even deserves to get fired.

The debate is whether BK handled the situation appropriately as the head coach. Let's not act like anyone is defending Grimes.

 

[dublinirish]

lol would any alum give DD a job interview? I doubt it. These guys probably get nothing from ND's network

 

[returnofthemack]

Has anyone said Grimes was not at fault? Grimes clearly deserved a scolding, maybe even deserves to get fired.

The debate is whether BK handled the situation appropriately as the head coach. Let's not act like anyone is defending Grimes.

Jamoris and the others didn't say Grimes wasn't at fault either. The whole point was that they don't like that Kelly goes ballistic on some people and seemingly disrespects them but treats others with more respect. That may be just a perception based on Kelly pushing different people in other ways, but all the players that posted seem to have a problem with Kelly treating different people so differently or playing favorites. I know people don't like talking about it but Kelly is very stubborn and I think he really does have favorites that he treats differently or gives more playing time. That's his prerogative as he values people that adhere completely to his scheme vs. raw athleticism and playmaking - as long as he wins and has enough talented players buy in, I don't care.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yeah, my fault. I just find the Eastern front war quite fascinating. One quick story further off topic. My wife is German and grew up in Germany (her mom is American though). The first time we went over to visit (2000) her German grandparents were still alive. The grandmother had a picture of her brother in the kitchen and told me the story of him coming home on leave from the Eastern front and crying to her before going back because he knew he would never come home again. He didn't, they never found his body.

My wife's grandfather on the other hand was on one of the last U-boats (U-190) captured in the war. He said that he was lucky to be caught and sent to England instead of Russia. To paraphrase, "In Russia I would have been killed, in England I learned to play soccer".

It was neat to take to people on "the other side" for once. Sorry for the additional sidetrack although talking about WWII in a topic named for Slaughter seems okay. You're right though, Patton was a beast and so was the American army in that war. Great men.

This is a no fault posting environment! No worries! Great story!

Years ago I had a mechanic named Adelbert, nice mild looking gentleman, always great to me, who I knew was and Austrian National. What I didn't know was he was conscripted into a German infantry unit, and served on the Eastern front. Once he told me a bit about it, and many times thereafter he revealed more. I would always come at the close of business with a six-pack of good beer. He made me promise not to repeat the stories he told to anyone he knew, ever, or to anyone until after he died. I kept that wish. The stories he told me were unbelievably horrific, and barbaric beyond any others I have heard.

[Walls built up of soldiers bodies, like so many thousands of sandbags piled up, some dead and some living. The living were mostly wounded and incapable of moving, because of their wounds, and having hundreds of bodies piled on them. As the enemy concentrated fire on their position, the walls themselves would scream, and bleed, except in the winter, then they would simply shatter.]​

I'm in the same boat!

It's a big boat!

That must have been some darn-tootin' U-Boat!

To be fair, I think it was less the Soviets, and more the fact that their d*cks were falling off from the Russian blizzards.

And the fact that until Lend Lease kicked in, and the US government propped the Soviets up with dollars, they didn't have enough money for guns and bullets! One soldier would get the rifle, and the next, a clip of ammunition, just before a charge. When the troops complained their officers explained it would be enough by the time they made it to where they could use it on the German troops.

And the US Government gave the Soviets loans consisting of millions in old silver and gold certificates, and the old-style larger bills. When the Soviet wrestlers came to the University of Toledo for the world cup in the 1970's they brought all cash for expenses. These old bills that they got from the US in '40 through '43, that were twenty-five years old when they were first given. I still have some of them around here somewhere, though I gave many away as gifts in my younger days.

Sorry, just trying to entertain and distract from this dismal topic!

 

[Grahambo]

Has anyone said Grimes was not at fault? Grimes clearly deserved a scolding, maybe even deserves to get fired.

The debate is whether BK handled the situation appropriately as the head coach. Let's not act like anyone is defending Grimes.

No debate.

Know your role and get the fuck back in line. I wouldn't have batted an eye if BK knocked him to the ground.

 

[Irish Insanity]

No debate.

Know your role and get the fuck back in line. I wouldn't have batted an eye if BK knocked him to the ground.

You may not have, but I'm sure every recruit/their family, the University, the National Media, players, his superiors, and the list goes on, would've.

 

[connor_in]

Yeah, my fault. I just find the Eastern front war quite fascinating. One quick story further off topic. My wife is German and grew up in Germany (her mom is American though). The first time we went over to visit (2000) her German grandparents were still alive. The grandmother had a picture of her brother in the kitchen and told me the story of him coming home on leave from the Eastern front and crying to her before going back because he knew he would never come home again. He didn't, they never found his body.

My wife's grandfather on the other hand was on one of the last U-boats (U-190) captured in the war. He said that he was lucky to be caught and sent to England instead of Russia. To paraphrase, "In Russia I would have been killed, in England I learned to play soccer".

It was neat to take to people on "the other side" for once. Sorry for the additional sidetrack although talking about WWII in a topic named for Slaughter seems okay. You're right though, Patton was a beast and so was the American army in that war. Great men.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You may not have, but I'm sure every recruit/their family, the University, the National Media, players, his superiors, and the list goes on, would've.

Regardless, thanks for doing your part by contributing to the #PurpleFaceKelly narrative that our enemies are pushing. Your clear-eyed realism is truly a service to the University.

 

[NDPhilly]

Regardless, thanks for doing your part by contributing to the #PurpleFaceKelly narrative that our enemies are pushing. Your clear-eyed realism is truly a service to the University.

lol if Kelly knocked over a staff member over mid game we should just gloss over it?

 

[Grahambo]

lol if Kelly knocked over a staff member over mid game we should just gloss over it?

I don't think that's what he was getting at. I was also being extreme in my statement.

 

[NDPhilly]

If Grimes was repeatedly arguing with the refs then Kelly has every right to yell at him. The way he ran at him and grabbed his jacket was pretty dumb considering what people already think of him. Basically Kelly overreacted probably do to stress. This probably will be used against us in recruiting which sucks

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If Grimes was repeatedly arguing with the refs then Kelly has every right to yell at him. The way he ran at him and grabbed his jacket was pretty dumb considering what people already think of him. Basically Kelly overreacted probably do to stress. This probably will be used against us in recruiting which sucks

That's a totally reasonable summary of this whole affair. Still a far cry from "Kelly is a raging tyrant" and "Kelly is a racist bully".

 

[Irish Insanity]

Regardless, thanks for doing your part by contributing to the #PurpleFaceKelly narrative that our enemies are pushing. Your clear-eyed realism is truly a service to the University.

You're welcome.

The 'everyone is against us' crowd should just get over it. They aren't. And this obviously painted the University/BK/our program in a bad light. If not we wouldn't be linking articles or commenting on an ESPN head making a racist claim. Was Grimes out of line, absolutely. Did it require a physical altercation on the national game of the week to get the point across, not likely.
So many on this board hold our University above most the rest. As do I. Yet in a situation like this it's ok to defend the coach's actions that we'd be so critical of at another program.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You're welcome.

The 'everyone is against us' crowd should just get over it. They aren't. And this obviously painted the University/BK/our program in a bad light. If not we wouldn't be linking articles or commenting on an ESPN head making a racist claim. Was Grimes out of line, absolutely. Did it require a physical altercation on the national game of the week to get the point across, not likely.
So many on this board hold our University above most the rest. As do I. Yet in a situation like this it's ok to defend the coach's actions that we'd be so critical of at another program.

See my post here. ND definitely has powerful enemies who are blowing this episode way out of proportion. Would you rather ally yourself with those defending Kelly for a momentary lapse of composure during a stressful moment, or those seeking to dishonestly twist that episode into a weapon to be used against ND? Because you seem more sympathetic to the latter.

 

[Irish Insanity]

See my post here. ND definitely has powerful enemies who are blowing this episode way out of proportion. Would you rather ally yourself with those defending Kelly for a momentary lapse of composure during a stressful moment, or those seeking to twist that episode into a weapon to be used against ND? Because you seem more sympathetic to the latter.

That seems to be the problem. I shouldn't have to ally myself with the 'enemies' if I don't agree with how it's handled or criticize what happened. That's about as ridiculous as saying since I actively post about revisiting Kelly, I want him fired and he's a shity coach. These aren't yes and no topics

EDIT: I don't have a problem with purple faced Kelly or think he's racist or a raging tyrant.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That seems to be the problem. I shouldn't have to ally myself with the 'enemies' if I don't agree with how it's handled or criticize what happened. That's about as ridiculous as saying since I actively post about revisiting Kelly, I want him fired and he's a shity coach. These aren't yes and no topics

EDIT: I don't have a problem with purple faced Kelly or think he's racist or a raging tyrant.

No one here has argued that Kelly was completely in the right, or that this was a good look for him. We all agree that his lapse in composure was regrettable, which is why he apologized for it. So what are you hoping to accomplish by continuing to slam him over this episode? Meanwhile, the sophists at ESPN are arguing that Kelly is racist on national television, and opposing coaches are trying to convince blue-chip recruits that he's a tyrant. So you're not "holding ND to a higher standard" so much as giving material aid to our enemies.

 

[gkIrish]

That's a totally reasonable summary of this whole affair. Still a far cry from "Kelly is a raging tyrant" and "Kelly is a racist bully".

I think everyone on this board who was displeased with this incident has felt exactly the way NDPhilly described.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think everyone on this board who was displeased with this incident has felt exactly the way NDPhilly described.

Do you get my point, though? When we've got ESPN pundits slandering Kelly as racist on TV and rival coaches painting him as a tyrant to recruits, I don't see the point in continuing to slam him for it here.