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Im not worried, but see it playing out very similar to Temple. These are the type of teams that give ND fits. Scrappy, tough, under-appreciated kids playing the perceived "glamor boys" from ND. I feel like these games always resemble a fight in a phone booth.

Yet the good, developed talent teams have no problems with teams like Pitt.

This is what drives me crazy. On paper, no team short of USC, Stanford and Clemson should give us a game, yet every year teams full of 2 and 3 stars take us to the wire and sometimes win.

Get tired of hearing about how everyone gets up to play ND. Yeah but they get up to play the teams in their conferences and their in-state rivals as well yet they dont produce like they do against ND.
 

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HH has some work to do with the run blocking. We will be on trouble if our running backs on ly get 20-30 yards. And our qb has around 100ish.
 

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Yet the good, developed talent teams have no problems with teams like Pitt.

This is what drives me crazy. On paper, no team short of USC, Stanford and Clemson should give us a game, yet every year teams full of 2 and 3 stars take us to the wire and sometimes win.

Get tired of hearing about how everyone gets up to play ND. Yeah but they get up to play the teams in their conferences and their in-state rivals as well yet they dont produce like they do against ND.

I disagree. Every single team in college football has games where they don't play up to their full potential.

OSU is a good, developed team right? On paper they should've blown out Indiana....

LSU is a good, developed team right? Why did they struggle so bad against Syracuse? Shouldn't have been a game on paper.....

Stanford is a good, developed team right? Why did WSU lead for the majority of the game? Paper says this game shouldn't have been close......

Alabama is a good, developed team right? Why did they squeak by a subpar UT team only because of poor special teams play on the part of UT? Paper lies again.....

FSU is a good, developed team right? How was the game against GTech even close enough for that blocked field goal to matter? Paper gave the upper hand to FSU......

On paper FSU, Alabama, OSU, and USC should be in the playoffs every single year. Why even play the season out?

Watch other powerhouse teams play all their regular season games. Happens to the best of them.
 

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HH has some work to do with the run blocking. We will be on trouble if our running backs on ly get 20-30 yards. And our qb has around 100ish.

I don't care if you have the 5 best o-linemen in the NFL, it is literally impossible to block everyone when there are 8 defenders in the box. Temple's game plan was to take away CJ but that came back and bit them in the ass on a few passing plays
 

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I don't care if you have the 5 best o-linemen in the NFL, it is literally impossible to block everyone when there are 8 defenders in the box. Temple's game plan was to take away CJ but that came back and bit them in the ass on a few passing plays

It's call adjusting. Something this Kelly team can't do till half time. You see that they are bring more on the run bring In another oline man with lutua blocking. But Kelly won't do that. It cost us the the first half against celmson and it shows they learned nothing.

So Pitt is going to load the box and make Kiser beat them in the air. I don't care who you are if you can't help your passing game in the red zone with a decent run game you will settle for a lot of FGs. All the hype about CJ and the online blocking at the beginning of the season clearly shows how bad those teams were.
 

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It's call adjusting. Something this Kelly team can't do till half time. You see that they are bring more on the run bring In another oline man with lutua blocking. But Kelly won't do that. It cost us the the first half against celmson and it shows they learned nothing.

So Pitt is going to load the box and make Kiser beat them in the air. I don't care who you are if you can't help your passing game in the red zone with a decent run game you will settle for a lot of FGs. All the hype about CJ and the online blocking at the beginning of the season clearly shows how bad those teams were.

Really dude?? Temple and Clemson have top 15 rush defenses. Temple held teams under 100 up until last night and ND ran for 168 yards. So what if it wasn't Prosise? That's what the adjusting did. They saw the commitment to stuffing CJ and had Kizer pull the ball. With Clemson selling out they adjusted and threw the ball at will in the second half with Prosise having 150 yards of total offense. Should there have been an audible called on quite a few plays with a stacked box? Sure but that's on Kizer. You know the QB we all thought we were screwed if he had to step in after Golson left. It's going to happen with him. He's still learning. He was even outplayed by VanGorder in the spring game and yet he is 5-1 as a starter and also threw the game winning TD when Zaire was lost against Virginia
 

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I have no issue with kiser. Other then his mistake last night throwing the pick. ND did have those rushing yards Kiser did. Because of an aggressive defense bit on a run option that if kiser would have pulled the ball out any later it would have been a fumble. Nick martin was moving backwards more then the did forwards and not on his own will. Say what you want they had planned before this game to run kiser more. He made the best of it with some bad ass blocking from the Wr's.
 

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Same gameplan....
1. No turnovers
2. Solid Special Teams
3. Limit penalties
4. Score TDs in Red Zone

Leave Pitt with a win.
 

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I have no issue with kiser. Other then his mistake last night throwing the pick. ND did have those rushing yards Kiser did. Because of an aggressive defense bit on a run option that if kiser would have pulled the ball out any later it would have been a fumble. Nick martin was moving backwards more then the did forwards and not on his own will. Say what you want they had planned before this game to run kiser more. He made the best of it with some bad ass blocking from the Wr's.

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It's call adjusting. Something this Kelly team can't do till half time. You see that they are bring more on the run bring In another oline man with lutua blocking. But Kelly won't do that. It cost us the the first half against celmson and it shows they learned nothing.

So Pitt is going to load the box and make Kiser beat them in the air. I don't care who you are if you can't help your passing game in the red zone with a decent run game you will settle for a lot of FGs. All the hype about CJ and the online blocking at the beginning of the season clearly shows how bad those teams were.

This post just shows a lack of knowledge of football and life. It also, says something about you personally.

I am not trying to be mean, load up on you, pick a fight, or anything like that.

Simply, your first premise about adjustment, and what was going on is not at all on target. It is just several disconnected statements that aren't even facts.

Temple put it all on their corners, and alternated between boxing their safeties and dropping them into cover two. They were masters of illusion. As opposed to delusion.

As far as adjustments, Kelly moved from the original plan, which looked like draw/play action passing, which I thought would be a key to the Irish victory, to spreading out and trying to slow down the Temple front seven. That didn't work well for a couple of reasons, Temple saw it right away and all players were prepared. Kizer was a little off on his short and out passing game, especially to the left, as he has had a tendency; coaching flaw, not playing to your players strengths, or at least covering for their weakness? Maybe.

But I would love to see Pitt try to load the box. They really don't have the guys. It is true Narduzzi was born at night, just not last night. Whatever he does, he will have to disguise really well.

I still feel confident that Pitt's front seven isn't anywhere nearly as active as Temple's. So with those two pieces missing, Pitt can't do anywhere near what Temple was able to do. The number of times Temple had the box loaded and ended up in 'cloud cover' or cover 2 was incredible. The players were position on, all night long on almost every play.

That is why the running game opened so widely for DK. He was able to exploit the small seam where the cover guys would have been if they kept the box stacked!

I wouldn't worry about pass versus run with Pitt. Without coopting Temples DB's (which I think were about as good as we have faced, even if a little small, Pitt will not be able to bring the disguise off the way Temple did. Kizer has made four mistakes throwing into cover in the red zone particularly. They keep getting incrementally smaller, and are never repeats of the same thing.

I bet the conversation last night wasn't that he made the wrong throw in and of itself, it is that he couldn't or shouldn't even attempt that kind of throw with the db's playing so aggressively.

I have no issue with kiser. Other then his mistake last night throwing the pick. ND did have those rushing yards Kiser did. Because of an aggressive defense bit on a run option that if kiser would have pulled the ball out any later it would have been a fumble. Nick martin was moving backwards more then the did forwards and not on his own will. Say what you want they had planned before this game to run kiser more. He made the best of it with some bad ass blocking from the Wr's.

Oh, so you do agree that the coaches had a game plan, complete with contingencies, and made a rather seamless adjustment to it! And the position coaches all had their players coached up to it!

Wow I hope we do that with every top-25 ranked team we play!
 
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Line opened at ND -7.5 since gone to -8.5.

Sagarin Predictor has ND almost -8.5.
 

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The adjustment to throw bubble screens as an extension of the run game won ND the Temple game. They pretty much played cover two all game and stuffed the box. We killed them on bubble screens and it allowed us to open up down field just enough to win.

No offense to anyone, but anyone who has coached football before knows you do not bring in extra linemen to run against 7/8 guys in the box. If you can throw the ball, you throw the ball.
 

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Everyone should be nervous about this game. Pitt always plays ND tough, road games are never easy, and Narduzzi always has a good defense.

I'll be at the game, and hoping to come out with a W.
 

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The adjustment to throw bubble screens as an extension of the run game won ND the Temple game. They pretty much played cover two all game and stuffed the box. We killed them on bubble screens and it allowed us to open up down field just enough to win.

No offense to anyone, but anyone who has coached football before knows you do not bring in extra linemen to run against 7/8 guys in the box. If you can throw the ball, you throw the ball.

To be fair, teams like Stanford will line up 8 or 9 on the OL if they have to. It goes back to what your strengths are as a team (which includes talent, culture and scheme). I would agree, that throwing would be the better option for ND. However, I would much rather see ND's line have more success against stout rushing teams than what they have to date. I think the inside/outside zone scheme with some iso sprinkled in isn't playing to the full talent that ND has in the trenches (my opinion). Expecting Kizer to run that much every game here on out is a tough ask, so something has to change.
 

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As I posted in another thread I think having an early kickoff will help our boys. Every game being a prime time affair can be exhausting and it gives a lot of motivation to your opponents. A more normal noon kick for them won't make this game such a massive affair. The circus atmosphere of GameDay won't be there and they should just be able to focus on playing football.

But this is the game I've been sweating for a while. Pitt is really all that stands in our way of 10-1 and heading to Palo Alto for what could amount to a national quarterfinal. Pitt almost derailed the dream season in 2012. We can't afford to lose focus for a second.

I don't know a whole lot about Pitt but from what I hear they're a team driven by their defense and their offense is putrid. At this point it's all about survive and advance and I'll take a W any way we can secure it. If this has to be a back alley brawl I don't care, I just want to win. I think BK has done a good job building a program that can win in a shootout or can win a slugfest. I'm anticipating a slugfest.
 

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Pulling from ESPN stats rankings for Pitt:

Total D: 24th (Temple 27th)
Passing D: 21st (Temple 68th)
Rushing D: 38th (Temple 8th)
D efficiency: 38th (Temple 11th)
 

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Pulling from ESPN stats rankings for Pitt:

Total D: 24th (Temple 27th)
Passing D: 21st (Temple 68th)
Rushing D: 38th (Temple 8th)
D efficiency: 38th (Temple 11th)

Pitt's S&P+ Defensive stats:
Overall - 47th
Rushing - 81st
Passing - 10th
Standard Downs - 30th
Passing Downs - 62nd
Success Rate - 21st
IsoPPP (Explosive plays allowed) - 55th
 

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To be fair, teams like Stanford will line up 8 or 9 on the OL if they have to. It goes back to what your strengths are as a team (which includes talent, culture and scheme). I would agree, that throwing would be the better option for ND. However, I would much rather see ND's line have more success against stout rushing teams than what they have to date. I think the inside/outside zone scheme with some iso sprinkled in isn't playing to the full talent that ND has in the trenches (my opinion). Expecting Kizer to run that much every game here on out is a tough ask, so something has to change.

I understand you point but it's flawed. Pretty much only Stanford does this and only a handful of times a game. Not to mention in a league where rushing defense is, on a whole, pitiful. I get what you're saying but with how subsitution rules are now you are not catching a defense in bad personnel, they are given time to sub out. On another point, what we are really talking about is that we struggled to run the ball against Clemson and Temple, two of the best rushing defenses in the country. Won the one game and if our wrs could have caught a cold or held unto the ball that Clemson game is a win also. Also, a QB that can run when needed has been a staple of the best college teams for the last ten years, for the most part.
 

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I think Prosise and the O-Line will bounce back and lead this team to a huge win. 45-21 Irish.
 

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I think Prosise and the O-Line will bounce back and lead this team to a huge win. 45-21 Irish.

The advanced models indicate they're weak against the run as it is, so that's a pretty safe bet.
 

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Pitt always plays ND tough. This will not be an easy game by any means.

This. There's only been 1 game in the last 10+ years where we've handled them exceptionally. Every game outside of that has been decided by 1 score or less. I expect the same Saturday, regardless of how good or bad Pitt is.
 

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This game will be a thriller no question. Do we have a better overall team yes but we did the last two times we played them and they upset is and took us to OT so I have no reason to think that this will be anything but another thriller only difference is that this year they're actually good. I think we may have to play a perfect game to win only this year when we speak the win out by the skin of our teeth it won't feel like a loss it will feel like a well earned win.
 

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isd power hour --mike frank once again calling for schmidt to be replaced....said it can also create a lack of trust from players

also of note---i don't remember but i will take their word...but on the russell int baratti was completely blown bye and he was the last level
 

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isd power hour --mike frank once again calling for schmidt to be replaced....said it can also create a lack of trust from players

removing your captain/playcaller/emotional leader from the heart of your defense would be demoralising for a defense though too. Guys on II podcast were talking about because of how unorganized the safeties are on, there is no leeway to give Morgan any playing time because the safeties need so much help communicating and getting lined up
 

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Shumate out worries me but much rather miss him in the first half than the second half. We have all week to prep for the deficiency.

I am surprised to see Pitt has a much better pass defense than rushing defense. That encourages me.
 

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removing your captain/playcaller/emotional leader from the heart of your defense would be demoralising for a defense though too. Guys on II podcast were talking about because of how unorganized the safeties are on, there is no leeway to give Morgan any playing time because the safeties need so much help communicating and getting lined up

If Schmidt isn't playing his position well AND the other positions are consistently out of place then what is his value-add on the field?
 
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