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[ThePiombino]

Fun fact most probably don't know... IE and DD have the same owners.

MONOPOLY!

 

[greyhammer90]

Fun fact most probably don't know... IE and DD have the same owners.

gross.

 

[ulukinatme]

Fun fact most probably don't know... IE and DD have the same owners.

Is that why we only make fun of ND Nation...or is it because it's ND Nation?

 

[ACamp1900]

Fun fact most probably don't know... IE and DD have the same owners.

And they are true blue, dyed in the wool,....


Longhorn fans... seriously.

 

[irishpat183]

I was with you right up to "Heavy Juco recruits". Is ND opening up a Kinesiology Deparment in 2 years?

No, maybe Parks and Recreation Management?


I'll take you at your word that you "know" recruiting but you don't seem to know much about ND Admissions or ND Academics.

Say The Administration gives Kelly five "You can be as dumb as an Auburn football player" passes a year. How do they stay eligible?

This isn't UNC profs are rolling over with "no show" classes, changing grades, and not requiring assignments be turned in.

This isn't OSU where Katzenmoyer got 3 "A"s in summer school, his only career "A"s, in golf, Music Appreciation, and Aids Awareness. And the OSU President when he learned of this replied, "Gee, I didn't know you could be an upperclassman at OSU and not have a major. Katz didn't attend classes at OSU his senior year but remained eligible.

This isn't USC where Ballroom dancing keeps one eligible.

It isn't Tennessess where Walking and Jogging are separate classes.


ND doesn't have 40,000 students and 200 majors to hide the academically challenged.

ND's Student Body has an AVERAGE Test Score of 1350 (Math and English) and were in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class. They are highly motivated as some 98% of them graduate and it doesn't take them 6 or 7 years to do so.

Again, how do those "waivers" stay in school at ND?

ND has an excellent Tutoring Program where they teach the athletes, how to study, how to take notes, how to be a student. It teaches skills that enable the student athlete to successfully compete AND succeed in a competitive classroom environment. The ND Tutoring Program doesn't do the athletes homework, their assignments, nor fill out their test form for them.

ND has taken JUCO's but rarely and those admitted were qualified to compete in ND's academic environment. Moriarity was the QUALIFIED exception. Rudy and Skip Holtz came via the CSC's Holy Cross. Keep in mind how many years ago that happened. How ND academics have gotten more competive since then. How the NCAA regulations/Clearinghouse now requires 16 core courses for incoming freshman, the same number ND has required for decades. That the Clearinghouse (now called The Eligibilty Center) has raised the minimum GPA to 2.3. That in order to transfer as a JUCO for an NCAA scholarship a recruit either has to GRADUTE from a 2 year JUCO program OR meet the Test Score/GPA/Core Course Requirements they previously failed to do. Also recognize that the elgibility clock, 5 years to play 4, is ticking while at JUCO and they won't be traferring in as ND academic juniors. Since when has ND beeb interested in "one and done" Cam Newtons? Could it be happen? Yes, for that rare academically individual like Moriarity who had health issues coming out of HS NOT academic issues. BTW, the NCAA 5 in 4 years reg would have barred Moriarity and Rudy.

In '86 ND admitted three Prop 48s, two in football and one in basketball. All succeeded academically but The Administration said never again. They were running a university not a remedial HS program.

Say ND waives the calculus/precalculus requirements, the ability to read and write beyond an 8th grade level, foreign language, and science classes. How do those waivers get a 2.0? In what ND degree program?

When Urban Meyer interviewed for the ND HC job, he demanded 5 waivers a year. UND said no, they have to be able to compete AND succeed in the classroom.

They still do.


Pulling up the grass and putting in a jumbotron have always been a matter of time. "Heavy JUCOS" requires a University frontal lobotomy.

But what about JUCO's that make the grade? what's wrong with letting them in?





(and MAYBE just a couple of the ones that don't...wins ain't cheap)

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Fun fact most probably don't know... IE and DD have the same owners.

That damn 1%. Consolidating everything

 

[IrishLax]

MONOPOLY!

gross.

Is that why we only make fun of ND Nation...or is it because it's ND Nation?

We make fun of ND Nation because it's full of mouth breathers and the most archaic site imaginable. Ironically, due to a superior domain name + early market share + Google rank, they pull the highest traffic of any ND free forum... despite being the worst board out there. Basically, most people land on NDNation and then may or may not say "wtf is this?" and move on down the list to UHND, IE, DD, etc.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

But what about JUCO's that make the grade? what's wrong with letting them in?

(and MAYBE just a couple of the ones that don't...wins ain't cheap)

My intuition is that it's not so much "making the grade" as finding a JuCo player who's completed coursework entitles him to enough transfer credits to enable him to graduate from ND on time. Admissions is very picky about what they'll give transfer credits for.

 

[Grahambo]

Can we move this info into another thread?

 

[rocket66]

Ok, so what was the real story with Hood? GF as most guessed?

 

[IrishLax]

And they are true blue, dyed in the wool,....


Longhorn fans... seriously.

Hehe they're good guys (from a couple brief phone convos)... really hands off and let the site run itself. That's the cool thing about forums is that they're organic with basically 100% user generated content.

If they were Michigan fans, I'd burn this place to the ground. Ban everyone but irishpat and GoIrish41 and let them turn it into a political debate site.

 

[IrishLax]

Can we move this info into another thread?

Sure. One sec.

 

[NDohio]

We make fun of ND Nation because it's full of mouth breathers and the most archaic site imaginable. Ironically, due to a superior domain name + early market share + Google rank, they pull the highest traffic of any ND free forum... despite being the worst board out there. Basically, most people land on NDNation and then may or may not say "wtf is this?" and move on down the list to UHND, IE, DD, etc.

It just kills me that they have that name!!

They couldn't be farther from what Notre Dame's nation of fans are all about.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm sorry but what is DD?

Depends on the waist line....but either really awesome or Kathy Bates.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Sorry my last post about TJ34 should have had had this in it.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sorry my last post about TJ34 should have had had this in it.

LOL. Lets Burn Him

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Sorry my last post about TJ34 should have had had this in it.

 

[connect the dots]

I was with you right up to "Heavy Juco recruits". Is ND opening up a Kinesiology Deparment in 2 years?

No, maybe Parks and Recreation Management?


I'll take you at your word that you "know" recruiting but you don't seem to know much about ND Admissions or ND Academics.

Say The Administration gives Kelly five "You can be as dumb as an Auburn football player" passes a year. How do they stay eligible?

This isn't UNC profs are rolling over with "no show" classes, changing grades, and not requiring assignments be turned in.

This isn't OSU where Katzenmoyer got 3 "A"s in summer school, his only career "A"s, in golf, Music Appreciation, and Aids Awareness. And the OSU President when he learned of this replied, "Gee, I didn't know you could be an upperclassman at OSU and not have a major. Katz didn't attend classes at OSU his senior year but remained eligible.

This isn't USC where Ballroom dancing keeps one eligible.

It isn't Tennessess where Walking and Jogging are separate classes.


ND doesn't have 40,000 students and 200 majors to hide the academically challenged.

ND's Student Body has an AVERAGE Test Score of 1350 (Math and English) and were in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class. They are highly motivated as some 98% of them graduate and it doesn't take them 6 or 7 years to do so.

Again, how do those "waivers" stay in school at ND?

ND has an excellent Tutoring Program where they teach the athletes, how to study, how to take notes, how to be a student. It teaches skills that enable the student athlete to successfully compete AND succeed in a competitive classroom environment. The ND Tutoring Program doesn't do the athletes homework, their assignments, nor fill out their test form for them.

ND has taken JUCO's but rarely and those admitted were qualified to compete in ND's academic environment. Moriarity was the QUALIFIED exception. Rudy and Skip Holtz came via the CSC's Holy Cross. Keep in mind how many years ago that happened. How ND academics have gotten more competive since then. How the NCAA regulations/Clearinghouse now requires 16 core courses for incoming freshman, the same number ND has required for decades. That the Clearinghouse (now called The Eligibilty Center) has raised the minimum GPA to 2.3. That in order to transfer as a JUCO for an NCAA scholarship a recruit either has to GRADUTE from a 2 year JUCO program OR meet the Test Score/GPA/Core Course Requirements they previously failed to do. Also recognize that the elgibility clock, 5 years to play 4, is ticking while at JUCO and they won't be traferring in as ND academic juniors. Since when has ND beeb interested in "one and done" Cam Newtons? Could it be happen? Yes, for that rare academically individual like Moriarity who had health issues coming out of HS NOT academic issues. BTW, the NCAA 5 in 4 years reg would have barred Moriarity and Rudy.

In '86 ND admitted three Prop 48s, two in football and one in basketball. All succeeded academically but The Administration said never again. They were running a university not a remedial HS program.

Say ND waives the calculus/precalculus requirements, the ability to read and write beyond an 8th grade level, foreign language, and science classes. How do those waivers get a 2.0? In what ND degree program?

When Urban Meyer interviewed for the ND HC job, he demanded 5 waivers a year. UND said no, they have to be able to compete AND succeed in the classroom.

They still do.


Pulling up the grass and putting in a jumbotron have always been a matter of time. "Heavy JUCOS" requires a University frontal lobotomy.

This splendid oratorio has Notre Dame Admissions singing the Hallelujah Chorus!

 

[Irish Insanity]

MONOPOLY!

Irishopoly!

 

[GBdomer]

I4L

 

[connor_in]

Hehe they're good guys (from a couple brief phone convos)... really hands off and let the site run itself. That's the cool thing about forums is that they're organic with basically 100% user generated content.

If they were Michigan fans, I'd burn this place to the ground. Ban everyone but irishpat and GoIrish41 and let them turn it into a political debate site.

TWO MEN ENTER...ONE MAN LEAVES

 

[kmoose]

it was Weis, not Kelly, who started to get ND admissions to allow a couple borderline "exceptions" per year. (talking 2 or 3 and no more here)

and Kelly can thank Charlie for that.

Weis didn't start it.............. Holtz got at least a couple, long before Weis came along. Tony Rice and Chris Zorich, off the top of my head.


And those two made it through ND's academics the same as all of those overachieving Top 15%ers. So let's stop acting like no JUCO or borderline academic kid could possibly make it at ND....

 

[phgreek]

Welcome aboard...

Sometimes people doubt information because of previous pretenders...most folks are ok.

Stay out of BobD's "just out of curiosity" thread...makes you post angry everywhere else...

Look forward to your inputs...

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Welcome aboard...

Sometimes people doubt information because of previous pretenders...most folks are ok.

Stay out of BobD's "just out of curiosity" thread...makes you post angry everywhere else...

Look forward to your inputs...

Yeah, wooly should just cut to the chase and ask prospective 'inside' posters:

"What's the color of the boathouse at Hereford"

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Sorry my last post about TJ34 should have had had this in it.

 

[stlnd01]

But what about JUCO's that make the grade? what's wrong with letting them in?
(and MAYBE just a couple of the ones that don't...wins ain't cheap)

Nothing. But as BGIF pointed out, the admissions requirements go well beyond GPA, and many JUCOs just won't have the coursework. It's a hurdle that some kids from quality high schools don't even clear, and it doesn't get easier if you miss ND's Freshman Year of Studies. You'd almost have to enter junior college planning to transfer to Notre Dame.

As for letting in "a couple of the ones that don't," that's got a Tee Shepherd situation written all over it. Not sure how that helps anyone.

 

[NDWorld247]

Nothing. But as BGIF pointed out, the admissions requirements go well beyond GPA, and many JUCOs just won't have the coursework. It's a hurdle that some kids from quality high schools don't even clear, and it doesn't get easier if you miss ND's Freshman Year of Studies. You'd almost have to enter junior college planning to transfer to Notre Dame.

As for letting in "a couple of the ones that don't," that's got a Tee Shepherd situation written all over it. Not sure how that helps anyone.

I went to JuCo for two years. Long story short, I thought I was in high school to a.) play football, b.) wrestle, c.) party and d.) chase girls. I was pretty successful in those areas, but when I graduated, I couldn't even get into state schools here in Mass despite scoring 1300+ (out of 1600) on my SATs with a mean hangover. I just didn't try in school. My GPA was horrible.

However, something clicked when I saw all of my friends going to really good schools and I decided to apply myself. I graduated with a 4.0 and was recruited by Harvard, among some other division 1AA/2 programs, and was accepted by their admissions. I ultimately decided to stop playing football and attend another top University because it was a.) further from home (I wanted to get out of Mass) and b.) had the academic program I wanted. Plus, I was undersized for my position and had it in my head that I wouldn't get a fair shot at starting. I had never not started so the idea of practicing and not playing wasn't very appealing to me.

When I transferred, it was a struggle to get my credits accepted and I was basically a freshman again despite having completed two years of college. After my first year at the 4-year school I had earned enough credits to be considered a junior, but I was basically a year behind as I was entering my 4th year of college.

With that said, I don't know the ND admissions rules like a lot of you, but it sounds like there would need to be an agreement between admissions and football where JuCo's come in and automatically redshirt their first year on campus to catch up. JuCo's could graduate from ND in 5 years, but 4 would be virtually impossible. Regardless, if Harvard is willing to accept JuCo players, ND should be able to figure it out.

Also, I try not to take exception when people rag on JuCo's for not being smart. I was definitely the exception on the football team, and really the school in general. We had the best DT and LB in the country (both held major BCS offers) my freshman year and neither of them went on to play at a 4-year school because they were either dumb as rocks or didn't grow up after high school and wasted their talent.

It would take a pretty special blend of student/football player to make it at ND from JuCo and I'm not confident there are many of those out there.

 

[T Town Tommy]

A lot of high school kids don't understand education at the high school level and learn the hard way when they can't get in to a four year school. It means that they now have the very thing they love - football - taken away from them. At least at the D1 level. Some of these kids learn from it, buckle down in JUCO, and work their tails off to get into a D1 school. Others sadly disappear and show up back on the block with no future and no hope.

For any school to dismiss a player simply because they had to attend JUCO to get their academics in order is a little shortsighted. If they have shown the ability to learn, and have shown the willingness to do so, then why not give them that chance. If they find out they can't cut the academic side after that then the school can take comfort in knowing they tried to help.

We would not have stories like ndworld247's out there to tell. I for one applaud his efforts and it does show some of these young men aren't lost causes... they just need the proper encouragement and guidance to help them along. Thanks for sharing ndworld247.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

It would take a pretty special blend of student/football player to make it at ND from JuCo and I'm not confident there are many of those out there.

This.

Sure there are stories like this where the kid realizes there is more out there than ball/girls/himself, but like NDWorld said, its few and far between. I do not agree with Irishfan33 in that ND will accept JuCo's. The difference that JuCo kid makes isnt going to be enough to take the risk. One of the top JuCo playes in the country this year is Jordan Prestwood, great personality, but thanks but no thanks. There are multiple exceptions each year that are made to get football/athletes into ND as a whole, and adding JuCos to that just isnt going to happen.

NDWorld brings up the point of them being a year behind academically and would essentially have to "redshirt" their first year to be on pace to graduate, but that also brings up the fact that in most (not all) that player has been at a JuCo for 2 years. So with them being a year behind they arent going to get that 5th year, bc at ND you must be enrolled in Graduate Studies. The chances of a 20 year old that has taken that route wanting to come to ND over Bama, not play his first year, and then take double the academic load (which the regular academic load is tough enough) is not a good chance.

ND turns away kids with 4.0 gpa's away so I think setting a situation where athletes get even more of a benefit when they are already high risk just coming from a JuCo doesnt make sense. (No Offense to those who have gone to JuCo)

ND is special bc of the people and the standards they set. If ND was struggling to get a top 25 or 50 class each year, then maybe adjustments need to be made. ND under Weis and Kelly have battled for a top 5 class each year...they are getting the kids. There is no need to go the JuCo route for 1 year of PT. Recruit a kid like Jonathan Bonner who has his stuff together on and off the field, coach him up, and see what happens. This staff has proven they can find the diamonds in the rough and I don't expect them to stop doing that. A JuCo kid isnt going to make he difference between ND winning a title and this season starting 5-2. Its development of a program of developing the potential they have. Sure they have had bad luck at QB, but as we all Saturday, the bright lights are just different. And thats someone that has experienced that for 4 years, throwing a JuCo kid in there just wouldnt make any sense.


Go Irish

 

[Cackalacky]

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Courses should be approximately six weeks long, and should be taught in a similar department in which credit is to be granted (e.g., history should be taught in a history department).
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A student applying for admission as a sophomore in a liberal arts curriculum should complete Notre Dame’s First Year program of 30 semester hours which includes:

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English Composition 3 semester hours
History 3 semester hours
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Other 9 semester hours total of Philosophy, Theology, Foreign Language***, or Transferable Electives. (Transferable electives are typically any courses from the subject areas listed in this guide).
In addition to the courses listed above, a student applying for admission as a junior should typically have completed:

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Literature 3 semester hours
Fine Arts 3 semester hours
Foreign Language 9 semester hours
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It will be tough to get JuCos.