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Stadium Renovations, Uniform Changes
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The stadium looks unbelievable! <a href="https://t.co/F7DbZStqtI">pic.twitter.com/F7DbZStqtI</a></p>— Brian Polian (@BrianPolian) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianPolian/status/822962122057547776">January 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait to see it filled with stunning replays on that new jumbotron this fall. <a href="https://t.co/Hpw4hRtb3M">https://t.co/Hpw4hRtb3M</a></p>— UHND.com (@uhnd) <a href="https://twitter.com/uhnd/status/823223617001504769">January 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can't wait to see it filled with stunning replays on that new jumbotron this fall. <a href="https://t.co/Hpw4hRtb3M">https://t.co/Hpw4hRtb3M</a></p>— UHND.com (@uhnd) <a href="https://twitter.com/uhnd/status/823223617001504769">January 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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You all know that a big part of the program upgrades behind the scenes is to financially separate the football program and its budget from the university, right?
A big push in fundraising is to sell targeted alum on purchasing life insurance policies naming the fund as beneficiary. Other streams are being tapped.
Much if the fine detail as far as strength and conditioning, and additional space are to be done by this summer. At least that is when some plan on taking tours of the upgraded facilities.
A big push in fundraising is to sell targeted alum on purchasing life insurance policies naming the fund as beneficiary. Other streams are being tapped.
Much if the fine detail as far as strength and conditioning, and additional space are to be done by this summer. At least that is when some plan on taking tours of the upgraded facilities.
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Still don't like the idea of the visitors tunnel they are adding.
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They should have that new jumbo up before the big recruiting weekends
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Ya if is not functioning by junior day I day complete failure.
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If I remember correctly that wasn't supposed to be ready until the summer.
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http://deadspin.com/under-armour-ha...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Under Armour just got their butt kicked today.
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Under Armour just got their butt kicked today.
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ND with Nike would be so awesome and they would take all my money. Don't think I own any ND Under Armor gear. Hate that brand
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Great time to buy.
75% of the kids 8-14 I see now a days wear UA. 24% wear Nike. Adidas shares the 1% with Chuck Taylor's. These kids become adults and bring their brands with them. My generation started wearing Nike over Converse in the 80's and made Uncle Phil a rich man. My kid's 13, if I bought her something Nike she'd flip. "Ewwww Dad, Nike's for oooold people." UA has already won. Buy Buy Buy.
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Maybe so...I liked Adidas better than both. Guess that makes me old guy w/o style.
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Nope, makes you someone who identifies with their Euro/soccer heritage. No italics.
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UA is like Adidas in the late 80's and Reebok in the mid-90's, ultimately a good run for a number of years but beginning to come down to earth.
It should come as no surprise that they have a huge fight on their hands.
They've always been far too reliant on apparel, their growth wasn't going to last forever, they've tapped out on their American consumers in most apparel categories, and they have a poor international presence.
Likely within another year or two their footwear growth will come to a halt. Plank has been trying to focus on the international market which is going to be far tougher going up against the decades of dominance Nike & Adidas have overseas. Not many hunters and middle-class white kids to sell hoodies to in Europe.
Huge amounts of money tied up in investments, a growing debt load, and the CFO leaving aren't great signs, either.
I think UA will go into a little bit of a funk for a year or two but keep working on its casual sportswear, footwear, and international presence. I think they'll be fine long-term but anyone who really thought they'd challenge Nike was crazy.
We may have just witnessed the peak of Under Armour over the last couple years and they were still dwarfed by Nike and recently passed by Adidas. They'll probably settle long-term as a slight #2 over Adidas or vice versa.
UA hasn't won anything. In fact, I've heard this sentiment numerous times (all the kids wear UA now!) yet the numbers don't show this at all. It's been an admirable rise for UA since 2005 but it's a long, long fight against Nike and Adidas.
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US is nothing, zero, nada like Reebok. Stop.
They most certainly can challenge Nike and Adidas if they keep their financials right because brand management is fine. You sound like the guys who used to say, "Nike will never challenge Converse..." Nike's owned Converse for years. Some one will pass Nike just like Toyota did the unthinkable and passed GM. Young people started buying Toyota's instead of Chevy's, Pontiac's & Buicks and guess what happened, the 60 year olds are still buying Camry's or Lexus'. Nike will fall just like GM, 100% guaranteed.
Where are the brand loyalty indicies for young demo's you speak of?
Did Adidas pass UA in US sales?
Kids do not wear Adidas. It is a horrible lifestyle brand. Their only in roads was with Eastcoast hip hop and shell toed Super stars back in the day. Hell, I don't even have a pair of Stan Smith's or Super stars anymore.
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I don't know. I Look at modern young culture/videos/entertainers etc, and see UA nowhere. In LA and SF and other fashionable trendsetting areas, I see mainly Nike and some Adidas. I think the kids love Nike.
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Actually, I sound like the voice of reason.
Adidas has been kicking UA's butt in lifestyle especially which has led their surge since restructuring their North American leadership.
Sure, Nike can fall. Any company can, I was merely pointing out it's going to be a very long fight and one UA ultimately lose.
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I don't know about the quality of what theses guys are playing with but for me off the shelf and when I played baseball adidas was certainly the best quality. Count me in for adidas. I even think the style is better and much more polished. UA reminds me of Nike when they first came out flashy,cheap, and glitzy. I wouldn't own a pair since my first buy fell apart in 1 month. Adidas is much better quality. To me adidas speaks class UA speaks jazzy glitz. Hence the twinkle toes gold shoes which I think are a joke and send the wrong message. You aint winning a national championship wearing gold Cinderella football cleats-it kinda goes with the program these days. Gold shoes you gotta be kidding me.
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I live between OC ad Scottsdale, that is not my experience with younger kids.
I switched to Nike's when Air force Ones came out in 83-84. Nike hasn't made a better quality shoe since. Nike's quality has gone way down unless you are paying big jack for Bowerman stuff. I have a pair of last year's ND travel shoes. Most comfortable shoe I've ever owned.
Subtract Taylor Made and CCM hockey and go head to head. I'll get the numbers for this because now I'm interested. Taylor Made's a Billion dollar generator. I have no idea what to back out for hockey.
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The UA logo looks ugly on shoes. If they can stop putting a logo on the side of shoes that takes up half the shoe, their golden.
If they want to put it anywhere, the design fits better on the front and tongue of the shoe than the side.
If they want to put it anywhere, the design fits better on the front and tongue of the shoe than the side.
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And I thought maybe we could be friends.
It's really crazy, three years ago I would have completely agreed with you. I thought UA was on their way to being the one company that could at least catch up to Nike. I don't think so anymore. I have a college student and a HS senior and I am see more and more Adidas being worn by them and their friends. Adidas is killing it in the lifestyle footwear right now.
My Brother-in-law went to Portland to work at Nike 1.5 years ago and he was astonished at the lackadaisical attitude the upper management had towards UA. They don't see them as a threat at all. They still see Adidas as their main competitor.
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I agree with this. I have 2 kids in HS and both say Adidas in making a comeback. One refuses to wear any shoes that aren't Adidas.
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I'm with Beau. I seriously think that Under Armour isn't going to have staying power until they figure out what to do with that gaudy "X" logo (I know, I know).
It just doesn't look good... you can make it part of the design, but it's still going to end up standing out as the center piece, and it's just not a unique and stylish symbol.
With Nike, the swoosh is iconic, and yet it's subtle enough that it acts as "the cherry on top" of a design, rather than just kind of sitting over the top of the design and dominating it for no reason.
With Adidas, they've got the iconic three stripes... you can make any design that accounts for the stripes and looks like a shoe is supposed to look. They don't even really have a logo that they use outside of the tongue of the shoe, unless they're using that super dope throwback leaf, in which case that is a worthy logo to center a design around.
Under Armour's logo just doesn't lend itself to being designed around, like Adidas' three stripes, and it's not a logo that lends itself to aiding the design of a shoe, like the Nike swoosh. UA has a problem with the very root of their branding.
Also, their shoes just suck in general. The ND shoes above are far too busy in their design, and their Curry shoes look like generic white dad shoes.
If generic white dad shoes is your thing, that's cool... but "generic white dad shoes" shouldn't be describing the shoes branded for one of the biggest superstars on the planet. Can't believe Curry and his people let that happen.
It just doesn't look good... you can make it part of the design, but it's still going to end up standing out as the center piece, and it's just not a unique and stylish symbol.
With Nike, the swoosh is iconic, and yet it's subtle enough that it acts as "the cherry on top" of a design, rather than just kind of sitting over the top of the design and dominating it for no reason.
With Adidas, they've got the iconic three stripes... you can make any design that accounts for the stripes and looks like a shoe is supposed to look. They don't even really have a logo that they use outside of the tongue of the shoe, unless they're using that super dope throwback leaf, in which case that is a worthy logo to center a design around.
Under Armour's logo just doesn't lend itself to being designed around, like Adidas' three stripes, and it's not a logo that lends itself to aiding the design of a shoe, like the Nike swoosh. UA has a problem with the very root of their branding.
Also, their shoes just suck in general. The ND shoes above are far too busy in their design, and their Curry shoes look like generic white dad shoes.
If generic white dad shoes is your thing, that's cool... but "generic white dad shoes" shouldn't be describing the shoes branded for one of the biggest superstars on the planet. Can't believe Curry and his people let that happen.
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The logo sucks on shoes. I think it looks great on shirts and pants, especially on polos. But yeah they need to come up with a different logo for shoes. If they really need the UA logo they should just put it on the tongue of the shoe.
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I gotta disagree here.
Their Air Max line has always been solid, and continues to dominate. Is it the Air Force One line? No, but that doesn't mean the quality has gone "way" down, especially when you consider that they still push out AF1's on the regular, and they're supplementing it with a more casual Air Max line.
You can get some really nice, new-design Air Max for a high price point like any other brand, but their selection of older, wayyyy lower price point Air Max outclasses every other brand in terms of the low-price quality they offer.
You can go to any Nike outlet near a beach or the mountains, and you're going to find at least three pairs of Air Max that make you go "wow, those are nice. Can't believe I can grab these for $30 if I want them."
You might find an okay shoe at an UA or Adidas outlet for $30, but nothing that will compare to a nice, clean Air Max design for the same price.
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Listening to UND's interview of someone in charge of the stadium renovation. Very glad to hear ND is getting what sounds like an awesome recreation faciliity. I was just thinking yesterday that BSU probably has a better facility currently than ND. (Granted, we have a pretty good facility...I help run it.)
I think you would be surprised how much an awesome recreation facility can have an impact on recruiting (not just football).
I think you would be surprised how much an awesome recreation facility can have an impact on recruiting (not just football).
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