Sept 22 | Wake Forest

[Ndaccountant]

I would rather them adjust to BW's strength than try and find the right " QBfit" to BK's and Long's preferred "scheme".

 

[Ndaccountant]

Game management will be a whole lot better one Long starts calling a better game plan. I think that should be this weekend because his game plan does seem to work better toward Book’s strengths then to Brandon’s strengths.

That's all well and good, but BK/Long not adjusting to BW is a perfect example of why BK will never win a championship.

 

[Senoj13]

I don’t get this. I don’t think BW has played poorly enough to warrant benching. He is 3-0 and has a win over a top 15 team. Instead of building him up it appears they keep screwing with his confidence by pulling him out of the game and now entertaining this QB switch talk.

 

[goldandblue]

I like the change. Let's go Book!!

 

[calvegas04]

I don’t get this. I don’t think BW has played poorly enough to warrant benching. He is 3-0 and has a win over a top 15 team. Instead of building him up it appears they keep screwing with his confidence by pulling him out of the game and now entertaining this QB switch talk.

The ND defense is 3-0, BW came along for the ride

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Sept 22 | Wake Forest

Sidebar - Ill be tailgating at the Best western - I know, pretty classy establishment - about a 10 min walk from BB&T. Anyone that wants to stop by and have a drink or talk shop let me know.

Im also selling 1 ticket - so please spread the word !

Looking forward to a good game from the offense tomorrow. To be honest, I think the offense will roll a lot smoother if Book is in the game. I get the pros and cons with Wimbush in vs when Book is in. Weve all seen both players highs and lows over the past year. We all talk about how well BW can run, lets not forget that Book has some moves of his own - albeit, not QUITE as elusive as BW - but still, enough to extend a play if needed. I see us finally breaking the 30 point threshold.


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[arrowryan]

Everything you say is conjecture and just ridiculous. I think Book is a much better passer than Wimbush but everyone complains about BW‘s accuracy when Book isnt exactly throwing it a whole lot better. Same with my exclamation for people getting on BW for not throwing the ball away, Book did the exact same thing so don’t expect a huge improvement in game management. As for the bolded, that just shows how ridiculous your argument is. Book comes in when we are in what Kelly calls the blue zone… Inside the 5 yard line. Of course he has a better chance of throwing a touchdown pass with every attempt versus throwing a pass from his own 20 yard line.

Book literally game off the bench and into the game; pro or college, not many quarterbacks are going to come off the bench and immediately start throwing dimes.

To the bolded, I'm not saying what Book did was right or smart; yes, I'd rather him throw it away. But the fact he only lost 3 yards instead of 10 is already an improvement. If he can get more consistent playing time, I think he'll learn from those things. Meanwhile, Wimbush is making the same mistakes over and over again.

I'm starting to accept the fact that Wimbush is never going to be the QB we were all hoping for when he committed.

There are multiple things wrong I see from Wimbush in game 15 that we shouldn't see anymore:

-How many games will it take for Wimbush to learn how RPOs are ran? Long is clearly wanting to run them, but either Wimbush makes the wrong read or he can't complete the pass.

-How many games will it take him to realize that throwing the ball away isn't necessarily a bad thing? To me, this more football IQ than coaching.

-Why is it so hard for him to consistently complete short to medium passes? I'd rather him be trash at the long ball and be good with 5-20 yard passes than what he is now.

 

[arrowryan]

I don’t get this. I don’t think BW has played poorly enough to warrant benching. He is 3-0 and has a win over a top 15 team. Instead of building him up it appears they keep screwing with his confidence by pulling him out of the game and now entertaining this QB switch talk.

1 hail mary touchdown with 4 interceptions in 3 games isn't bad enough for you? He's 3-0, but none of the wins were because of his play.

If he was the QB we were hoping for, he would've found the end zone in the passing game at least 2 times in both the BSU and Vandy games.

I'm going to laugh when this Ian Book rumor isn't true though lol

 

[JohnnyJasper]

1 hail mary touchdown with 4 interceptions in 3 games isn't bad enough for you? He's 3-0, but none of the wins were because of his play.



If he was the QB we were hoping for, he would've found the end zone in the passing game at least 2 times in both the BSU and Vandy games.



I'm going to laugh when this Ian Book rumor isn't true though lol

To your last point:
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[RDU Irish]

3&OUT is almost as common as making a first down with BW. Through three games we had 14 out of 35 possessions (40%) end in 3 & Out or worse (two of those are INTs two plays in). Turns out all those passes hitting the ground stall out our offense.

Add 2 more 4 & Out where we get a quick first down and then stall and you have 16/35 fail - 46% of possessions!

Split by halves - First half 7/19 fail rate (37%), Second half 7/16 (44%) or 9/16 if you add 4 & Out (56%).

Considering 2/3rds of those numbers come from two of the worst teams on our schedule I can appreciate the coaching staff opening their minds to other options.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

1 hail mary touchdown with 4 interceptions in 3 games isn't bad enough for you? He's 3-0, but none of the wins were because of his play.

If he was the QB we were hoping for, he would've found the end zone in the passing game at least 2 times in both the BSU and Vandy games.

I'm going to laugh when this Ian Book rumor isn't true though lol

Wrong.
Michigan (best opponent) he was the best offensive player, period.

I agree he needs to continue to improve. I also want to see what Book can do. I'm just here to call idiots/fake news out.

 

[arrowryan]

3&OUT is almost as common as making a first down with BW. Through three games we had 14 out of 35 possessions (40%) end in 3 & Out or worse (two of those are INTs two plays in). Turns out all those passes hitting the ground stall out our offense.

Add 2 more 4 & Out where we get a quick first down and then stall and you have 16/35 fail - 46% of possessions!

Split by halves - First half 7/19 fail rate (37%), Second half 7/16 (44%) or 9/16 if you add 4 & Out (56%).

Considering 2/3rds of those numbers come from two of the worst teams on our schedule I can appreciate the coaching staff opening their minds to other options.

Like Pete Sampson said yesterday, I'm glad the staff is realizing they have an issue while still being 3-0 and not waiting until they lose to address the issue.

 

[arrowryan]

Wrong.
Michigan (best opponent) he was the best offensive player, period.

I agree he needs to continue to improve. I also want to see what Book can do. I'm just here to call idiots/fake news out.

That win was very much due to the outstanding play of the defense. Yes, he was the best offensive player we had but his one and only score was very lucky.

 

[dad4aa]

That's all well and good, but BK/Long not adjusting to BW is a perfect example of why BK will never win a championship.

I agree with this. Have not liked the calls the first three games. No clue if it was due to what others have said about using a game like a practice but I definitely have not liked the calls.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

That win was very much due to the outstanding play of the defense. Yes, he was the best offensive player we had but his one and only score was very lucky.

Lucky throw?

Dude was almost the only one that moved the chains, whether via arm or legs. That score aside, we would have lost without his production that day.

(side note: I'm not saying Book couldn't have won, simply Brandon was the best player that game).

 

[RDU Irish]

Wrong.
Michigan (best opponent) he was the best offensive player, period.

I agree he needs to continue to improve. I also want to see what Book can do. I'm just here to call idiots/fake news out.

Second half we totaled 68 yards of offense on six possession (excluding the V formation 7th possession). 4 of six possessions were 3 or 4 and out. A fifth was a six play drive totaling 6 yards. 41 yards on a FG drive otherwise Michigan made adjustments and shut us down. 5 possessions totaled 27 yards of offense - good luck putting lipstick on that pig.

 

[irishnd31]

Second half we totaled 68 yards of offense on six possession (excluding the V formation 7th possession). 4 of six possessions were 3 or 4 and out. A fifth was a six play drive totaling 6 yards. 41 yards on a FG drive otherwise Michigan made adjustments and shut us down. 5 possessions totaled 27 yards of offense - good luck putting lipstick on that pig.

So its safe to say that Wimbush won't be receiving a Christmas card from you this year?

 

[arrowryan]

Lucky throw?

Dude was almost the only one that moved the chains, whether via arm or legs. That score aside, we would have lost without his production that day.

(side note: I'm not saying Book couldn't have won, simply Brandon was the best player that game).

You really don't think the touchdown to Finke wasn't lucky? He threw it into double coverage and it went right through the defenders hands.

 

[BobbyMac]

The 2019 season can't get here soon enough. Wimbush will be at Syracuse, Rutgers or wherever, Book will be back on red visor / clipboard duty and the 5 Star Phil era will be in full effect. It's all about 2020 & 2021. The core of 2017 class + the '18, '19 & '20 classes will have the 85 man the most talented/experienced since '88 - '93.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The 2019 season can't get here soon enough. Wimbush will be at Syracuse, Rutgers or wherever, Book will be back on red visor / clipboard duty and the 5 Star Phil era will be in full effect. It's all about 2020 & 2021. The core of 2017 class + the '18, '19 & '20 classes will have the 85 man the most talented/experienced since '88 - '93.

Inb4 his throwing motion sucks and he never does anything at ND

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You really don't think the touchdown to Finke wasn't lucky? He threw it into double coverage and it went right through the defenders hands.

I'm saying why does the "lucky throw" mean he didn't play well? You're going to hold a touchdown against him? You can't give the guy negative points for getting some "luck". If that were the case, sounds like Eli should have lost his first Super Bowl...

And my point still stands, he was the best player that game on offense. So the original narrative of he has yet to play well, is BS. He hasn't played "perfect" (far from it). But he has helped us win our best game, for certain.

 

[Irish#1]

If BK is so cavalier about pulling Wimbush for the start, there’s good reason to believe this could just be a strategy to make game planning more difficult for Stanford. I think Kelly sees a defense in Wake that can be chewed apart and views this as a game for Book to play well in and develop some meaningful and sustained drives for game film. I’d be surprised if Wimbush isn’t in on all of this, as he has stated multiple times that he will do anything for the win. Besides, Book is his roommate. I personally think all the hype is overblown, and Kelly will play it loose with how he utilizes both QBs, because he believes he has a good grasp on their dispositions and strengths.

Quickest way to a loss is to be concentrating on a future opponent and not your next one. I doubt BK is doing anything except trying to improve the offense regardless of who the opponent is.

Book doesn't have the arm strength of BW, but being able to complete the short and intermediate routes will keep the LB's and safeties from staying close to the LOS, which should help the running game. Then he can take his shot downfield.

If Book does start, he has to start the rest of the season. This team will never find an offensive flow if BK plays musical chairs with the QB position.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You really don't think the touchdown to Finke wasn't lucky? He threw it into double coverage and it went right through the defenders hands.

(also, that ball didn't fall "through the defender's hands"...Brandon put it somewhere his WR could make a play and Finke tore that shit down...don't sell Finke's play on that as a miracle)

 

[Bluto]

Inb4 his throwing motion sucks and he never does anything at ND

How about “Our schedule isn’t as daunting as we thought pre-season! Too bad (insert team/coaching deficiency here) couldn’t get it done/so and so was suspended”. I think that has been the case basically every year under Kelly except for 2012.

The Kelly era is riddled with a long line of quarterbacks that were supposed to be “the guy”. Maybe the staff should focus on developing a lights out defense and an offense that relies less on the QB?

 

[NDinMI]

You really don't think the touchdown to Finke wasn't lucky? He threw it into double coverage and it went right through the defenders hands.

I wouldn't say lucky, but i'd call it a great play by finke more than a great throw. It needed to be a touch longer, but the difference was finke went up and got it rather than just letting it come to him. The other DB that was around wasn't going to make a play unless the tip drill went down. Lucky the safety sucks I guess, but taking advantage of a teams weakness isn't luck when you know the odds are probably in your favor on those types of plays.

 

[Bluto]

The 2019 season can't get here soon enough. Wimbush will be at Syracuse, Rutgers or wherever, Book will be back on red visor / clipboard duty and the 5 Star Phil era will be in full effect. It's all about 2020 & 2021. The core of 2017 class + the '18, '19 & '20 classes will have the 85 man the most talented/experienced since '88 - '93.

“Just wait until...” that drum has been beat to death since Davie took over.

 

[stlnd01]

We are 3-0 and ranked No. 8 in the country. Isn’t it a little early for “wait til next year?”

 

[Bluto]

We are 3-0 and ranked No. 8 in the country. Isn’t it a little early for “wait til next year?”

Touché

 

[Irish#1]

The 2019 season can't get here soon enough. Wimbush will be at Syracuse, Rutgers or wherever, Book will be back on red visor / clipboard duty and the 5 Star Phil era will be in full effect. It's all about 2020 & 2021. The core of 2017 class + the '18, '19 & '20 classes will have the 85 man the most talented/experienced since '88 - '93.

This is all a ploy to confuse Shaw. Wait until Phil comes out on the field as the starter against Stanford! Mind blown!

 

[Ndaccountant]

“Just wait until...” that drum has been beat to death since Davie took over.

Just wait until ̶G̶o̶l̶s̶o̶n̶,̶ ̶Z̶a̶i̶r̶e̶,̶ ̶K̶i̶z̶e̶r̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶s̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶e̶c̶o̶n̶d̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶,̶ ̶W̶i̶m̶b̶u̶s̶h̶ Book. Next is Phil. We have been waiting for BK's QB for 9 seasons. I'm with you on less QB reliance.

Give it a few more years and it will be like this....