Oct 17 | Southern Cal

[Calabrese's People]

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[GoIrish41]

To the last part, in regards to the game, this is terrible news IMO. Honestly, of recent memory, what teams haven't played above their pay grade the week after an interim is named coach? The AD's are smart about who they appoint, and it's the coaches that boost morale since when you lose your coach the year is about to go in the dumpster. I expect them to ball out.

I don't know ... Those coaches are all distracted too. Highly doubt Sark ever coaches this team again and that means they are all unemployed in the next few months. I am guessing that they don't have a coach in waiting on the staff. USC is too high profile a program to hire an assistant from the staff who has underperformed. They are all probably working the phones to find their next gig and putting that much less effort into ND.

 

[Bluto]

I would be worried about them rallying around this, but your coach being an alcoholic isnt that noble of a cause.

I'm trying to imagine the meltdown if it was ND that was in the same position as USC.

 

[irishff1014]

Looking like another bad hire for Haden

 

[texbender]

Personally sad for the coach and his family, hope he gets well and gets through it.
I guess time will tell how this affects this recruiting cycle. Irish need to hold court, win the game, and keep moving down the trail.
Will be coming up for the game with someone who has always wanted to go to an ND game, he should be in for a great ND experience.

 

[Cackalacky]

And you clearly don't see my point. I'm not talking about ability/disability to stop. I'm saying when you know if you do it it's going to cost you (which Sark was told), I imagine the thought process is different than when the person thinks the next time is 'no big deal' because they've done what they're about to do 100s of times. You're not warned when you next get in the vehicle that this will be that time. If people who did drink and drive knew that, they probably wouldn't have drove that night. Sark decided to drive knowing he'd get it this time. And he couldn't stop, which is what's surprising to me. This is all about the difference of knowing your consequence is imminent, and thinking you can get away with it like any other time. I don't know how I can make my distinction more clear.

Obviously this proves how strong alcohol addiction can be. I'm just surprised by it.

 

[wizards8507]

Koon - you're not seeing the point that several others are making that nullifies your point.

Koon isn't talking about him drinking or not drinking. He's talking about drinking and keeping his job.

 

[Cackalacky]

Koon isn't talking about him drinking or not drinking. He's talking about drinking and keeping his job.

High functioning alcoholics all have great jobs.... until they don't because they are drunks who can't stop drinking.

 

[wizards8507]

High functioning alcoholics all have great jobs.... until they don't because they are drunks who can't stop drinking.

The distinctive feature of Sark's case being it was a known issue in a very high-profile public position.

 

[TheChosen1]

Looking like another bad hire for Haden

Seems to me that instead of Hayden insisting sark get help he needed him to coach.

 

[TheChosen1]

@InsideUSC: #USC center Max Tuerk sidelined rest of season with knee injury. DL Claude Pelon was on mobility scooter today, doubtful for Notre Dame

 

[koonja]

@InsideUSC: #USC center Max Tuerk sidelined rest of season with knee injury. DL Claude Pelon was on mobility scooter today, doubtful for Notre Dame

Was peebody a starter?

WR #7 also went out and didn't return

 

[Cackalacky]

The distinctive feature of Sark's case being it was a known issue.

The defining characteristic of a Highly Functioning Alcoholic IS......

A high-functioning alcoholic (HFA) is an alcoholic who is able to maintain their outside life such as jobs, academics, relationships, etc. – all while drinking alcoholically.[1]

SOOOOOO... Yes HFA's are ABLE to perform their duties. Also ...

Many HFAs are not viewed by society as alcoholics because they do not fit the common alcoholic stereotype. Unlike the stereotypical alcoholic, HFAs have either succeeded or over-achieved through their lifetimes. This can lead to denial of alcoholism by the HFA, co-workers, family members, and friends. Functional alcoholics account for 19.5 percent of total U.S. alcoholics, with 50 percent being smokers and 33 percent having a multigenerational family history of alcoholism.[3]

Another defining characteristic of an HFA is that they basically lead a double life:

To function is to be capable of carrying out a specific action or activity, to operate or to work. High-functioning alcoholics, then, are those people who are able to convincingly go through their prescribed roles and carry out their duties – yet who continues to drink alcohol. They are able to maintain relationships with family, friends and colleagues, keep up with their job and home. In essence, they lead a double life: they are outwardly the successful, capable husband, wife, sibling, child or other relative, friend, or coworker, while inside they are alcoholics.

The fact it was a known issue is less relevant because HFAs are ABLE to to their duties.... until they are not. What point that occurs at and whether they get help is separate to their acknowledgment that they are in fact an alcoholic.

 

[wizards8507]

The defining characteristic of a Highly Functioning Alcoholic IS......


SOOOOOO... Yes HFA's are ABLE to perform their duties. Also ...


Another defining characteristic of an HFA is that they basically lead a double life:


The fact it was a known issue is less relevant because HFAs are ABLE to to their duties.... until they are not. What point that occurs at and whether they get help is separate to their acknowledgment that they are in fact an alcoholic.

None of that applies to a public figure.

 

[Cackalacky]

None of that applies to a public figure.

Dafuq? Why? Elaborate why one's alcoholism is in any way dependent on anything except that they are in fact an alcoholic?

Several of my friends (are)/were very successful people locally well known public figures who were HFAs. They could run circles around me with a fifth in them... They worked for companies that would send them to entertain clients because they were awesome at it...

Maybe some of y'all have never held your friends hand after an accident? Maybe none if y'all have had to go find your friend who went AWOL for his fifth time at rehab. Maybe you have never had identify a body after your friend crashed his car killing three friends, a teacher and her daughter???

 

[TheChosen1]

Was peebody a starter?

WR #7 also went out and didn't return

USC Trojans @USC_Athletics

USC C Max Tuerk (knee) is out for the season. DE Claude Pelon (knee) is doubtful for ND, while WR Steven Mitchell (ankle) is questionable.
5:21 PM - 11 Oct 2015

 

[loomis41973]

USC Trojans @USC_Athletics

USC C Max Tuerk (knee) is out for the season. DE Claude Pelon (knee) is doubtful for ND, while WR Steven Mitchell (ankle) is questionable.
5:21 PM - 11 Oct 2015

+1

Much bigger than the coaching transition in this game.

Tuerk was the glue that sometimes held it together.

 

[Classic Irish]

Was peebody a starter?

Not sure, but his pet boy Sherman is.





Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Cackalacky]

None of that applies to a public figure.

Goddamn this pisses me off. The ease with which you can just claim something as retarded as this is amazing.

It can apply to anyone. HFAs TEND to be very successful and motivated people and do have very public lives.

 

[bkess8]

None of that applies to a public figure.

One of the dumbest things you have posted, EVER!

 

[wizards8507]

Goddamn this pisses me off. The ease with which you can just claim something as retarded as this is amazing.

It can apply to anyone. HFAs TEND to be very successful and motivated people and do have very public lives.

Honestly what the hell are you talking about? Nobody said shit about Sark not being an alcoholic. Of course he is. The ONLY point we've been making is that his alcoholism doesn't exempt him from the consequences of his actions, particularly when 1) his problems were known when he took his position, 2) he's a public figure whose actions reflect on the program and the University.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm really beginning to like Haden. For a USC guy he's doing a masterful job hurting that program. Maybe he'll rehire Kiffy if he ends up booting Sark.

I also like how the media is reporting in places that Sark is stepping away for treatment of an "undisclosed medical issue." I'm pretty sure it's well disclosed at this point.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh, and since it's THE week....FUSC!

 

[Rocknes Ghost]

Oh, and since it's THE week....FUSC!

Ditto.

 

[Classic Irish]

I hope Sark gets help and has a successful recovery. I think it's safe to assume that Sark will never coach at southern cal again. I know Trojan fans want Chip Kelly, but anyone speculating about who will likely be their next coach? Just curious what others may be thinking.

 

[Rizzophil]

I hope Sark gets help and has a successful recovery. I think it's safe to assume that Sark will never coach at southern cal again. I know Trojan fans want Chip Kelly, but anyone speculating about who will likely be their next coach? Just curious what others may be thinking.

Jackie Moon

 

[Cackalacky]

Honestly what the hell are you talking about? Nobody said shit about Sark not being an alcoholic. Of course he is. The ONLY point we've been making is that his alcoholism doesn't exempt him from the consequences of his actions, particularly when 1) his problems were known when he took his position, 2) he's a public figure whose actions reflect on the program and the University.

No shit. The whole discussion between koon and I was his inability to understand the definition of an addiction and how an addict can still not only be offered a job, but take the job and perform it despite being an addict yet knowingly take the job despite being an addict. Koon can't understand how an alcoholic has an addiction and how one could hold a job while being an alcoholic. So the discussion was not about him accepting his punishment. That is a forgone conclusion when you cannot do your job. That was it. And that applies to anyone public figures included.

 

[koonja]

No shit. The whole discussion between koon and I was his inability to understand the definition of an addiction and how an addict can still not only be offered a job, but take the job and perform it despite being an addict yet knowingly take the job despite being an addict. Koon can't understand how an alcoholic has an addiction and how one could hold a job while being an alcoholic. So the discussion was not about him accepting his punishment. That is a forgone conclusion when you cannot do your job. That was it. And that applies to anyone public figures included.

Well I'm really, really.... really, REALLY dumb. So....

 

[IrishInFl]

I just got home after drinking all day. What did I miss?

 

[dad4aa]

I hope he gets all the help he needs, but I'm happy that his rock bottom coincided with ND week.

So will this help or hurt us. I can't decide what will happen. On one hand, the players could be pissed, not care, etc and come out and play bad and we hammer them. On the other hand, they could come in with a big chip on their shoulder and be more focused than ever and annihilate us. What are others thoughts? Is this situation going to help us, hurt us or not make a difference?