Russia Invades Ukraine

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We've given Ukraine about 1/3 of our Javeline stockpile and about a quarter of our Stinger stockpile. At what point do we stop?
 

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We've given Ukraine about 1/3 of our Javeline stockpile and about a quarter of our Stinger stockpile. At what point do we stop?
Apparently the reported lead time from Lockheed on the Javelin is 32 months and capacity is 2,100 per year. Food for thought.
 

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As long as they're being used to degrade the military capability of a rival and American lives aren't being risked in the process, I'd assume our brass sees this as a very efficient use of assets. We've had no problems quickly stockpiling expensive high-tech weaponry for decades; but opportunities to use it without risking nuclear war have been harder to come by.
 

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Regardless of the obvious wartime "good" these releases of Javelins et al are doing, the Pentagon thinks conservatively about its stockpile. I'll assume the drainage on these particular items to stop shortly for strategic reasons, but the Intel is already in place as to what ways to go to continue deadly support. We may not hear exactly what sorts of support will be in the pipeline, but it will not be an exhaustion of any single attack weapon form. These guys are not short term imbeciles by a long shot. AND this Ukraine "game" has been played out with many variables long ago in the Pentagon. (all by long term professionals having nothing to do with political parties by the way. Politicians appoint the thin layer of "top" people only. The people who do the strategic gaming are multi-year full timers.)
 

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Putin has changed tactics and is stealing the grain of farming equipment.

This is a new level of war crime
genocide
and sadism

Ukraine not only is Eurasia's bread basket, but may be Africa's as well.
 

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Putin can not even subdue Ukraine's "Lafayette"

Mariupol is tenth in population in Ukraine (or was before the murderous war crimes)

Lafayette is tenth in population in Indiana.

Imagine a war against Indiana (Kentucky and Ohio would be the Usual suspects)

And after more than two months you had not subdued Lafayette.

Putin has failed, MISERABLY. That is a fact, as is the fact that his war crimes will continue.

And nukes are not off the board.
 

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Putin can not even subdue Ukraine's "Lafayette"

Mariupol is tenth in population in Ukraine (or was before the murderous war crimes)

Lafayette is tenth in population in Indiana.

Imagine a war against Indiana (Kentucky and Ohio would be the Usual suspects)

And after more than two months you had not subdued Lafayette.

Putin has failed, MISERABLY. That is a fact, as is the fact that his war crimes will continue.

And nukes are not off the board.
Pretty sure there is a big soviet era bunker of starving guys doing surgery in unsanitary conditions without medication in there.

Plenty to dunk on the Russians about, but they took the city. Ukraine has admit they can't help the guys in there and the guys in there acknowledge they aren't getting out.
 

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Pretty sure there is a big soviet era bunker of starving guys doing surgery in unsanitary conditions without medication in there.

Plenty to dunk on the Russians about, but they took the city. Ukraine has admit they can't help the guys in there and the guys in there acknowledge they aren't getting out.
So they beat an HBCU?
 

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Putin can not even subdue Ukraine's "Lafayette"

Mariupol is tenth in population in Ukraine (or was before the murderous war crimes)

Lafayette is tenth in population in Indiana.

Imagine a war against Indiana (Kentucky and Ohio would be the Usual suspects)

And after more than two months you had not subdued Lafayette.

Putin has failed, MISERABLY. That is a fact, as is the fact that his war crimes will continue.

And nukes are not off the board.
With the current Russian war debacle in Ukraine, it's obvious that the USA (even with a moron, holding his sippy cup, as "commander and chief") would obliterate Russia ... nukes or no nukes. The real concern is fricken' China, as has been said time and time again!
 

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With the current Russian war debacle in Ukraine, it's obvious that the USA (even with a moron, holding his sippy cup, as "commander and chief") would obliterate Russia ... nukes or no nukes. The real concern is fricken' China, as has been said time and time again!
USA would only engage Russia in convential warfare on NATO territory.
You're right, we would obliterate them in that case.
But there is another relevant Moron who would likely pull us out of NATO, claim neutrality and let Russia do their thing while France and Germany (with their relatively small armies) cut their own deals and let NATO fall apart.
In that case, Russia gets stronger, not obliterated, and USA loses on several levels.
 

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USA would only engage Russia in convential warfare on NATO territory.
You're right, we would obliterate them in that case.
But there is another relevant Moron who would likely pull us out of NATO, claim neutrality and let Russia do their thing while France and Germany (with their relatively small armies) cut their own deals and let NATO fall apart.
In that case, Russia gets stronger, not obliterated, and USA loses on several levels.

No he wouldn't.
 

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USA would only engage Russia in convential warfare on NATO territory.
You're right, we would obliterate them in that case.
But there is another relevant Moron who would likely pull us out of NATO, claim neutrality and let Russia do their thing while France and Germany (with their relatively small armies) cut their own deals and let NATO fall apart.
In that case, Russia gets stronger, not obliterated, and USA loses on several levels.
Trumps not in office anymore!
 

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Germany overtly backing Ukraine with heavy offensive equipment almost seems like a bet that they believe Putin will not survive this. If that's not it, then they're counting on the sane world to really step up and solve their energy needs LONG TERM with no interactions with Russia. Assuming Ukraine survives and Russia doesn't really "win" much of anything, either one of those massively changes world economic futures. ... pretty big moment.
 

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First Russian soldier will stand trial in death of Ukrainian man, prosecutor says​

From CNN's Katharina Krebs in London

Ukraine has announced the first Russian soldier set to stand trial in the death of a 62-year-old man in Ukraine’s Sumy region, according to a statement published by the country's prosecutor general's office on Wednesday.
The prosecutor general's office said it has filed an indictment against Vadim Shishimarin, commander of the military unit 32010 of the 4th Tank Kantemirov Division of Moscow region.
The investigation alleges the 21-year-old Russian killed an unarmed 62-year-old resident who was riding a bicycle along the roadside in the village of Chupakhivka in Sumy region on Feb. 28.
According to the statement, the Russian forces drove into the village in a stolen car with punctured wheels.
On the way, they saw a man returning home and talking on the phone, according to the statement. One of the Russians ordered a sergeant to kill a civilian so that he would not report them to the Ukrainian army. Shishimarin fired several shots through the open window of a car from a Kalashnikov rifle at the head of the resident, prosecutors allege.
"Shishimarin is currently in custody. Prosecutors and SBU investigators have gathered enough evidence of his involvement in violating the laws and customs of war, combined with premeditated murder (Part 2 of Article 438 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine). He faces between 10 and 15 years in prison or life in prison," Ukraine's Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova said in a statement on Facebook.
CNN has contacted the Russian defense ministry for comment.
 

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The Finland (and Sweden) move towards NATO are the mind-blowing mistakes of Putin here.
He has REALLY screwed up on that. The Finnish leader said strongly on video, directly to Putin,
if you want to know what caused this: YOU did this. Look in the Mirror.

On the war itself, an ex-US general just said that this looks to be heading to a stalled long-term
grinding type war that we've seen so often lately. He did point out that if Ukrainian soldiers could
push forward to a not-distant transportation corridor, that would make Russia's supply support
very much harder.

We need to stay the course here. That means economic pain for Europe, and some economic
pain for us. We could also use less griping about that pain due to the importance of what the
world is trying to accomplish here. Politics will nastily try to use this needed pain to whip up
voting support in disgustingly hypocritical ways.

There are other things to get political about --- most of them sh!tty too in my opinion, but two
things should not be: Crushing Putin, and Crushing COVID. For GOD's sake, and for the world's,
we need to quit labeling anything to do with these two colossal world needs with anything political.
 
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The Ukranians are driving Russians back to the border in the NE and threaten the main supply line to the main point of Russian advance. Seems like the Kyiv playbook all over again, and the western heavy arms haven't all made it over yet.
 
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