Russia Invades Ukraine

NDPhilly

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As a 25 year old who barely remembers 9/11 and the Iraq war, much less major European wars... this shit is absolutely nuts.
 

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As a 25 year old who barely remembers 9/11 and the Iraq war, much less major European wars... this shit is absolutely nuts.
For the last twenty years, Putin has expressed views that Ukraine is not legitimate. This isn't completely new in that regard. But over the years, he strategically plans these events to occur when the pushback is least likely to be severe. The sanctions won't stop him and honestly, my hunch is that once people see worldwide commodities shoot even more, they will care more about their pocket book than the Ukrainian people. Not saying that is right, but that is my hunch. IMO, there is no appetite in the US or anywhere else to really do anything about this.

The problem is, if this is how the world reacts to Ukraine, what is stopping China from doing the same to Taiwan?
 

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We missed the opportunity and played too nice including the prior 4 years. Ukraine should have been armed to the teeth with a 100 harpoon missiles along the coast, radar guided artillery, 500 stinger missiles and 5000 javelin missiles. No chance Russia would have gone into Odessa and Mauipol with harpoon missiles along the coast.
 

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For the last twenty years, Putin has expressed views that Ukraine is not legitimate. This isn't completely new in that regard. But over the years, he strategically plans these events to occur when the pushback is least likely to be severe. The sanctions won't stop him and honestly, my hunch is that once people see worldwide commodities shoot even more, they will care more about their pocket book than the Ukrainian people. Not saying that is right, but that is my hunch. IMO, there is no appetite in the US or anywhere else to really do anything about this.

The problem is, if this is how the world reacts to Ukraine, what is stopping China from doing the same to Taiwan?
Pretty much nailed it. After China gave tacit support for Russia to invade you 100% knew that they were going to. Nobody in Europe or the US is signing up to send people to die in a nuclear war over Ukraine.

China will use this as an opportunity to further establish economic dependency from Russia, and then to have Russian support to invade Taiwan under similar pretext if the right opportunity arises. The main difference is that Taiwan is armed better and if they resist they will kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Chinese which is some deterrent. Ukraine will just roll over.
 

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We missed the opportunity and played too nice including the prior 4 years. Ukraine should have been armed to the teeth with a 100 harpoon missiles along the coast, radar guided artillery, 500 stinger missiles and 5000 javelin missiles.
Correct. I understand why they weren’t made part of NATO, but this was more or less an inevitability if someone like Putin (who DAGF about his own people or anything other than power) was allowed to do what he’s done for decades in Georgia and elsewhere. If you weren’t going to give his neighbors the ability to retaliate against Russian targets, then it was always going to be a “when not if” situation.
 

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Pretty much nailed it. After China gave tacit support for Russia to invade you 100% knew that they were going to. Nobody in Europe or the US is signing up to send people to die in a nuclear war over Ukraine.

China will use this as an opportunity to further establish economic dependency from Russia, and then to have Russian support to invade Taiwan under similar pretext if the right opportunity arises. The main difference is that Taiwan is armed better and if they resist they will kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Chinese which is some deterrent. Ukraine will just roll over.
I think another difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is while both aggressors want a return to what they deem is correct territorial boundaries, I see China as also viewing Taiwan as a way to further bolster their technological advancements. If Taiwan tomorrow decided to blow up all the advanced semiconductor manufacturing (which is estimated to account for 90%+ of the most advanced chip production worldwide), I don't think China would be so eager to make a move.
 

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Follow @Thomasvlinge on Twitter for all the best updates in real time on this. He was great during the Syrian Civil War.

 

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I think another difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is while both aggressors want a return to what they deem is correct territorial boundaries, I see China as also viewing Taiwan as a way to further bolster their technological advancements. If Taiwan tomorrow decided to blow up all the advanced semiconductor manufacturing (which is estimated to account for 90%+ of the most advanced chip production worldwide), I don't think China would be so eager to make a move.
I don’t think it’s based solely on economics. It’s been the forefront of China foreign policy since 1947. They want Taiwan whether it’s a tech haven or one giant crater.

China already issued out social media training to its citizens, stating to express a moderately pro-Russian attitude and that China would need Russian support in its aims toward Taiwan.

I don’t think anything from China is imminent, but the complete lack of response from the west for 3 successive Invasions by Russia on its former territories (Georgia, Crimea+Eastern Ukrainian, Ukraine again) in the last 15 years has got to make them wonder.

Russia and Putin just seem desperate to stem the stagnation of their country with shows of force. They are no longer a top 10 economy, and are barely top 10 in population.
 

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Its like we haven't learned a thing.

God help those poor bastards, theyre begging for our help and the wolves are marching towards Poland.

Nobody wants war... but this is only going to get worse the longer we don't step in with a unified front and stop this bullshit.

Its following nearly the exact. same. script.



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Sounds like you think we should do something. Make sure you sign up, and you sign up your kids for the fight before you're willing to sign someone else's son or daughter.
 

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Sounds like you think we should do something. Make sure you sign up, and you sign up your kids for the fight before you're willing to sign someone else's son or daughter.



Sounds good, dawg.

Nice talk.

However, I'm not in charge of anything, much less what my kids do at this point in their lives. But I'll make a note I can't have opinions about things unless your weirdo and arbitrary demands are met.


Thanks!
 

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But seriously, this is sadly the only viable option:


We’ve had 5+ years of Russia being a bad actor with no consequences poisoning people, arresting people, cyber attacks, invading other countries, etc. Need to start making there be a cost beyond “sanctions”… Putin doesn’t care if his people starve, same way Stalin didn’t.
 

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Putin runs Russia like it's a company. He has failed miserably at growing it organically. To satisfy his "shareholders" he is attempting to grow it through acquisitions. But Russia and Ukraine aren't companies and his attempts to treat them as such will eventually fail.

Putin is a little man. He is only 5/8 of Rasputin.
 

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Pretty much nailed it. After China gave tacit support for Russia to invade you 100% knew that they were going to. Nobody in Europe or the US is signing up to send people to die in a nuclear war over Ukraine.

China will use this as an opportunity to further establish economic dependency from Russia, and then to have Russian support to invade Taiwan under similar pretext if the right opportunity arises. The main difference is that Taiwan is armed better and if they resist they will kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Chinese which is some deterrent. Ukraine will just roll over.
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Putin runs Russia like it's a company. He has failed miserably at growing it organically. To satisfy his "shareholders" he is attempting to grow it through acquisitions. But Russia and Ukraine aren't companies and his attempts to treat them as such will eventually fail.

Putin is a little man. He is only 5/8 of Rasputin.
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Need to figure out a way to assassinate Putin and stop this shit. Either that or shut off Russia's access to everything and make them dependent on themselves.
When have we ever assassinated the leader of a country and had it work out well? That never happens because the power vacuum inevitably leads to an even more corrupt leader.
 

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Crimea is almost entirely Russian and overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. Donbass is slightly less than 50% Russian but the eastern portion is almost entirely Russian.

Ukraine is a corrupt failed state, far worse than Russia. The Russians in these regions prefer to be govnerned by Russian rather than Ukraine.

Let's assume the US government became more corrupt than Mexico and made it difficult on Americans of Mexican descent in southern California. Would you blame the people for prefering to be governed by Mexico? Would you blame Mexico for wanting to assist people of Mexican descent while simultaneously seizing the opportunity to govern a valuable piece of property?

Does it seem insane to you that a country 5000 miles away would threaten war with Mexico to make sure southern California is governed by America?
 

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So with this logic then, why is Russia invading areas that are 100% ethnically Ukrainian?
For the same reason NATO (America) mercilessly bombed Serbs for three months killing civilians, destroying infrastructure, hospitals and schools - they wanted to take Kosova away from the Serbs and knew they wouldn't diplomatically hand it over. Instead, they destroyed the entire country and took it away by force b/c there is nothing anyone could do to stop them. Putin understands there isn't a damn thing anyone can do to stop him right now.
 

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Crimea is almost entirely Russian and overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. Donbass is slightly less than 50% Russian but the eastern portion is almost entirely Russian.

Ukraine is a corrupt failed state, far worse than Russia. The Russians in these regions prefer to be govnerned by Russian rather than Ukraine.

Let's assume the US government became more corrupt than Mexico and made it difficult on Americans of Mexican descent in southern California. Would you blame the people for prefering to be governed by Mexico? Would you blame Mexico for wanting to assist people of Mexican descent while simultaneously seizing the opportunity to govern a valuable piece of property?

Does it seem insane to you that a country 5000 miles away would threaten war with Mexico to make sure southern California is governed by America?
Because Ukraine poses such a massive threat to the world compared to Russia...

Even if you use the thought about people wanting to join Russia, that doesn't give Russia the authority to start bombing non-separatist cities within the country.
 

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Crimea is almost entirely Russian and overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. Donbass is slightly less than 50% Russian but the eastern portion is almost entirely Russian.

Ukraine is a corrupt failed state, far worse than Russia. The Russians in these regions prefer to be govnerned by Russian rather than Ukraine.

Let's assume the US government became more corrupt than Mexico and made it difficult on Americans of Mexican descent in southern California. Would you blame the people for prefering to be governed by Mexico? Would you blame Mexico for wanting to assist people of Mexican descent while simultaneously seizing the opportunity to govern a valuable piece of property?

Does it seem insane to you that a country 5000 miles away would threaten war with Mexico to make sure southern California is governed by America?
Russia is attacking all of Ukraine right now, not just the Donbass. Very concerning for all of the former Soviet territories.
 
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