Russia Invades Ukraine

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I have for a couple of years now sworn off (and held to it) all of the so-called "news networks" (I get my news from research, the stock market guys (who are almost always non-political in their analysis of resource issues etc), and, if lucky a relevant CSPAN panel program here and there not in front of Congress --- whose "members Remarks" ruin the entire things every time), SO I'm maybe the only guy on the planet who doesn't know who this guy is.

Does NATO have a function? ... really says stuff like that and has a job? Picture seems to indicate a moron or a tumor, but as I say, I don't know the guy --- maybe he's trying to be a comic.

I'll keep to my happier policy however and not go looking him up, but the remark is so "off" that I got curious.
 
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Old Man Mike said:
I have for a couple of years now sworn off (and held to it) all of the so-called "news networks" (I get my news from research, the stock market guys (who are almost always non-political in their analysis of resource issues etc), and, if lucky a relevant CSPAN panel program here and there not in front of Congress --- whose "members Remarks" ruin the entire things every time), SO I'm maybe the only guy on the planet who doesn't know who this guy is.

Does NATO have a function? ... really says stuff like that and has a job? Picture seems to indicate a moron or a tumor, but as I say, I don't know the guy --- maybe he's trying to be a comic.

I'll keep to my happier policy however and not go looking him up, but the remark is so "off" that I got curious.
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Honest remark about not knowing this (apparent) idiot (I can't name any other "anchors" on any networks either.)

I've been a LOT happier and even smarter now that I have a few years of non-"news program" behind me. I recommend stopping watching ANY TV "news." The happier part of that policy is probably obvious; the smarter part is because it forces me to actually read and study many things about important issues. Reading a variety of information inputs usually coalesces into tapestries of connected factual materials which make sense and are somewhat defensible --- I used to recommend this to my students. (who knows if they do it.)
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
Ratings indicate they do.
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Rogue219 said:
In 2021, an average of 3.2 million viewers. Two of whom are my 90 something Nanny and Pappy.
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So one out of 100 Americans on average. Pundits seem to talk more about other pundits than any actual news. Comical to me people brag about such amazing ratings like 3.2M squashing the MSNBC or CNN programs garnering less than 1M viewers - dude none of you are that impressive on an absolute scale.

I suspect his somewhat rhetorical pondering of "what is the point of NATO today" is grounded in the reality that everyone else is riding US coattails to keep a bully at bay. They do nothing to really contribute while furthering their dependence on Russian essentials (food, energy, fertilizer) as Europe rapidly de-industrializes. Europe has a serious food and energy problem on their hands - these are the basics of which severe price inflation can lead to civil unrest. So as Europe does its damnedest to position further under Putin's boot - we have countries clamoring to join NATO and US war hawks jumping in glee at any opportunity to increase the odds of WW3.
 
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RDU Irish said:
So one out of 100 Americans on average. Pundits seem to talk more about other pundits than any actual news. Comical to me people brag about such amazing ratings like 3.2M squashing the MSNBC or CNN programs garnering less than 1M viewers - dude none of you are that impressive on an absolute scale.

I suspect his somewhat rhetorical pondering of "what is the point of NATO today" is grounded in the reality that everyone else is riding US coattails to keep a bully at bay. They do nothing to really contribute while furthering their dependence on Russian essentials (food, energy, fertilizer) as Europe rapidly de-industrializes. Europe has a serious food and energy problem on their hands - these are the basics of which severe price inflation can lead to civil unrest. So as Europe does its damnedest to position further under Putin's boot - we have countries clamoring to join NATO and US war hawks jumping in glee at any opportunity to increase the odds of WW3.
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Was definitely an issue leading up to the Ukraine invasion. Since then, Germany and other countries appear to be taking steps to reduce dependence on Russia at significant cost. In reality, this will increase the chances of severe price inflation which will likely lead to civil unrest.
 
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Rogue219 said:
In 2021, an average of 3.2 million viewers. Two of whom are my 90 something Nanny and Pappy.
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3.2M who have nothing better to do? I tilt to the right, but I know BS when I see it.
 
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Irish#1 said:
3.2M who have nothing better to do? I tilt to the right, but I know BS when I see it.
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Yeah it's less than 1% of Americans and skews older.

Regarding throwing billions of dollars at Ukraine...I think its a dumb idea and bad optics. We are already having money problems and throwing billions at a country most can't find on a map is stupid.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Yeah it's less than 1% of Americans and skews older.

Regarding throwing billions of dollars at Ukraine...I think its a dumb idea and bad optics. We are already having money problems and throwing billions at a country most can't find on a map is stupid.
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Was it bad optics to help during WW2? Because there isn't too much difference in what russia is trying to do right now compared to the Nazis in WW2.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Yeah it's less than 1% of Americans and skews older.

Regarding throwing billions of dollars at Ukraine...I think its a dumb idea and bad optics. We are already having money problems and throwing billions at a country most can't find on a map is stupid.
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$30 billion is what our military spends every ~2 weeks, just something to keep in mind.
 
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calvegas04 said:
Was it bad optics to help during WW2? Because there isn't too much difference in what russia is trying to do right now compared to the Nazis in WW2.
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Are you comparing the systemic killing of an entire race to what's going on in Ukraine? Millions of people were killed for being Jewish, gypsies, catholic priests, etc. That ain't happening now. Jesus Christ....

Read another book... watch another movie.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Yeah we have a large military. It's expensive to maintain. Not sure what the point is?
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The point is that $30billon to Ukraine isn’t shit to us and someone somewhere is profiting while $30billion to Ukraine is massive to them. Not only is it helping Ukraine to stand up but it’s also draining our biggest enemy and depleting their own military at the same time.

I'll add to that its in both the US and Europe's best interest to have a stable democracy and contributing economy in Ukraine. I consider these not only military and economic investments but political ones with the hope that one day Ukraine is able to become a stabilizing force in the region.

I accept that this prospect isnt a pleasing one to Putin's fluffers
 
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NorthDakota said:
Are you comparing the systemic killing of an entire race to what's going on in Ukraine? Millions of people were killed for being Jewish, gypsies, catholic priests, etc. That ain't happening now. Jesus Christ....

Read another book... watch another movie.
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russian news openly calls for Ukraine and it's people to no longer exist. There have been documented cases of them burning Ukrainian books. Countless war crimes.

So yes I am comparing what is happening now to the Nazi's in WW2.

You can continue to defend russia tho.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Are you comparing the systemic killing of an entire race to what's going on in Ukraine? Millions of people were killed for being Jewish, gypsies, catholic priests, etc. That ain't happening now. Jesus Christ....

Read another book... watch another movie.
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Seriously WTF is wrong with you?
 
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