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[Cali_domer]

Lol thanks guys. Sorry for the mess I created. It was a regretful mess there too

I've taken heat for this thread, even been accused of milking for my own personal gain.

 

[NDPhilly]

lol AdmiralBackhand why did you neg me?

 

[Henges24]

Especially if Luke wasn't doing well or the passing game wasn't working. It'd be, "Russell would have locked him down" and "Daniels would be getting open there." Oh man we are lucky there's not "ifs" here.

Or "Daniels would have caught that" - hence Prosise....

 

[ulukinatme]

Can I get a cut of his vbucks? I'm the poster on NDNation he was talking about when he started this thread....

ND Nation? ND NATION?!

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

lol AdmiralBackhand why did you neg me?

He won't respond but it's because you said God damn. I will get negged for this response too. My guess, D-Bob has a very red bar after admiral watches Rudy


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[Bluto]

Interesting take on this on Power Hour. Basically said none of these dudes would start (possibly for the rest of the season) because that would completely screw up team chemistry and the people who have stepped in have played as good or better than any of the suspended players (see Cole Luke).

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Interesting take on this on Power Hour. Basically said none of these dudes would start (possibly for the rest of the season) because that would completely screw up team chemistry and the people who have stepped in have played as good or better than any of the suspended players (see Cole Luke).

That was Mele's opinion or something reported from the staff?


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[Bluto]

Opinion of him and Coach D. I must say I do agree.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Opinion of him and Coach D. I must say I do agree.

Thanks


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[yankeeND]

That does raise an interesting question. How do you bench anyone upon the possible return of the 5? This team is playing very well in their absence and no matter how you look at it the kids that are playing now would have to suffer in that event. I'm not saying right or wrong, just a difficult position that the coaches and players could be put in. I just hope everyone has a good attitude after all of this. I know it won't be easy, but for the good of the team it needs to be that way. I still cannot believe the whole situation and I am just hoping for the best for all parties involved.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'd be shocked if DD couldn't find his way into the starting line-up within a week. He's just too talented. At best, KVR would come back and start. At worst, he'd be our nickel back and he'd play close to 40 snaps per game against most opponents. I doubt Ishaq would find his way into the starting lineup but he'd take quite a few snaps. Never hurts to have another defensive linemen in the rotation.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

meritocracy. daniels is the most probable to get significant snaps right away, starting or no. the rest will get enough reps in games and practice to earn back their projected role before the season started. that leaves some issues with chemistry, but that's more difficult to assess.

 

[stlnd01]

I'd be shocked if DD couldn't find his way into the starting line-up within a week. He's just too talented. At best, KVR would come back and start. At worst, he'd be our nickel back and he'd play close to 40 snaps per game against most opponents. I doubt Ishaq would find his way into the starting lineup but he'd take quite a few snaps. Never hurts to have another defensive linemen in the rotation.

Are we talking about the same Davaris Daniels who's moped and scuffed his way through the last two seasons while showing occasional flashes of brilliance? I agree that at his best he's our most talented receiver, but his best is no guarantee.
KVR is the most consistently good of the bunch, but Luke, Riggs and even Farley have played better than we had any right to expect. He wouldn't/shouldn't supplant them, but he'll be in the mix right quick. Ishaq, like you said, is in a position where we rotate heavily. Would be glad to have him in there, though he may not walk in and start.
The other two are depth and special teams. Always did like seeing Kendall Moore knock people's heads off out there.

 

[ickythump1225]

I say you work them in slowly. They're not going to be in game shape right away anyway. Work them in slowly and see what happens. No need to force them to start. They can just be depth for awhile.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

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Damn. Read the last 5 posts and assumed they were back, but we know what assumptions do to people in this thread....

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Some of you make me laugh out loud. DD>brown by miles n miles. KVR>every db in decades besides taylor. Roschell is not a 4/3 end unless he decides to shed pounds next year. Ishaq assuming he has his game face on>Isaac. Isaac belongs inside at this time.

DD hopefully is back today,tomorrow to get reps n gametime. Then play a significant role against fsu, it will mean more Fuller success having a real wr opposite.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I agree with those that DD is a must start from Day 1. Wouldn't surprise me to see KVR and IW get reps, but not start. I think the secondary and DL have been playing great. No sense in messing up that chemistry. DBoyz playing solid right now. Use the two I named to give the starters a breather. Sort things out as the season progresses. But by no means do it right away.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Some of you make me laugh out loud. DD>brown by miles n miles. KVR>every db in decades besides taylor. Roschell is not a 4/3 end unless he decides to shed pounds next year. Ishaq assuming he has his game face on>Isaac. Isaac belongs inside at this time.

DD hopefully is back today,tomorrow to get reps n gametime. Then play a significant role against fsu, it will mean more Fuller success having a real wr opposite.

So is their individual talent more important than the team chemistry? Or what's worked all year?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

So is their individual talent more important than the team chemistry? Or what's worked all year?

The secondary has faced:

Diphis Jackson
Devin Gardner
Danny Etling
Kevin Hogan
Terel Hunt

Not to sell the D short, because they have been great, but that ain't exactly a murderer's row. I think KVR's past/probable future impact is being understated because we have feasted on crappy QB's. This thread changes course if Winston or even Williams carves them up over the next two weeks.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

None of them returning effects any chemistry, I relate chemistry to communication. If anything id say a colingsworth replacing shumate would be the "chemistry" effect. DD needs to be starting period. No matter how amazing I think kvr is, I have no prob with an ease into. Ishaq is simply my opinion that Rochelle is not an end

 

[palinurus]

The secondary has faced:

Diphis Jackson
Devin Gardner
Danny Etling
Kevin Hogan
Terel Hunt

Not to sell the D short, because they have been great, but that ain't exactly a murderer's row. I think KVR's past/probable future impact is being understated because we have feasted on crappy QB's. This thread changes course if Winston or even Williams carves them up over the next two weeks.

I agree. Hogan is pretty good QB, but by no means top tier; Gardner has had his moments, but is not consistent or in any way special. I have no doubt Kelly and staff are eager to have them all back, because you cannot have too much depth. And I don't think there would be morale or chemistry problems; these guys were part of the team and (from what I know) well liked -- it's not like a pro team trading for a guy who comes in and disrupts the harmony with a "well, boys, I'm here to win the pennant for you" attitude. Of course, I am not on the inside to know that for sure.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Wow, don't look now but this thread is breaking out in a football discussion.

As ND made Devin Gardner in '13, they ended his season in '14. I felt bad for Hunt, too. This defense is taking some pretty good players and making them look mediocre (Williams) and feel pretty sore also!

I am surprised at ISD. The chemistry of this team is "Next Man In!" This is the perfect team and situation to work guys like that back in. Just keeps everyone fresher, and cuts the chance of injury. Playing 65 players a game; what a concept!

(That is why all the other teams are getting so worn down at the end.)

 

[palinurus]

Wow, don't look now but this thread is breaking out in a football discussion.

As ND made Devin Gardner in '13, they ended his season in '14. I felt bad for Hunt, too. This defense is taking some pretty good players and making them look mediocre (Williams) and feel pretty sore also!

I am surprised at ISD. The chemistry of this team is "Next Man In!" This is the perfect team and situation to work guys like that back in. Just keeps everyone fresher, and cuts the chance of injury. Playing 65 players a game; what a concept!

(That is why all the other teams are getting so worn down at the end.)

In addition to giving freshmen and sophomores great experience by continuing to play them, and by playing next to experienced guys like Russell and DD. The Irish will be so much better off next year for this....And it's a great boon for recruiting, too, since it continues to establish that Kelly will play freshmen: "If we offer you, and you come here, you know I have the confidence in you to play you right away."

 

[Irish#1]

Here's the bottom line. The best players are going to play, regardless of what is happening now. If all five return, none will return as immediate starters. They will have to prove themselves in practice where the coaches will make evaluations of their progress in getting acclimated back into practice, conditioning, communications, etc.. When the coaches think they are ready they will get playing time. How much will depend on the coaches.

 

[JughedJones]

Here's the bottom line. The best players are going to play, regardless of what is happening now. If all five return, none will return as immediate starters. They will have to prove themselves in practice where the coaches will make evaluations of their progress in getting acclimated back into practice, conditioning, communications, etc.. When the coaches think they are ready they will get playing time. How much will depend on the coaches.

Football discussion AND reason?

Come on, Irish... take that to another thread!

 

[faithfulfan]

Ever since the statements about the hearings being over last week, several people have started the discussions about who will start and who will be worked back into playing time, etc. Not to be the "debbie downer", but there is still the chance that some or none of these players are even coming back at all.

That is still the thought process I am taking until we hear otherwise. I hope that is not the case, but it seems that is the approach the team is taking as well. I think the team has exceeded expectations (mine at least) to this point, and getting the 5 (or some) back would just be a bonus.

 

[wizards8507]

Here's the bottom line. The best players are going to play, regardless of what is happening now. If all five return, none will return as immediate starters.

I think those two sentences back-to-back are kind of contradictory. It's quite possible that DaVaris and Russell come back and they ARE the best players at their positions, especially considering the fact that there are 5 DBs and three WRs on the field for almost every play.

 

[JughedJones]

I think those two sentences back-to-back are kind of contradictory. It's quite possible that DaVaris and Russell come back and they ARE the best players at their positions, especially considering the fact that there are 5 DBs and three WRs on the field for almost every play.

I took him to mean that if they come back, they won't walk into the first practice with their starting jobs back automatically. They'll have to prove it.

 

[arrowryan]

O'Malley thinks the 5 players will find out today

 

[Emcee77]

I think those two sentences back-to-back are kind of contradictory. It's quite possible that DaVaris and Russell come back and they ARE the best players at their positions, especially considering the fact that there are 5 DBs and three WRs on the field for almost every play.

Yeah, I would not be stunned to see KVR, DVD and Ishaq all come back as immediate starters. I would also not be stunned to see Kelly work them in gradually. Even Kelly doesn't know how that will go. As of Kelly's Sunday teleconference, he had not even thought about how to "reintegrate" those players and he said he would spend some time thinking about it on Sunday afternoon.

I took that as a good sign, btw. Kelly seemed to think that he needs to have a plan for reintegrating the suspended players, which means he thinks it is realistically possible to get them back.

On the other hand, maybe it's a bad sign that he hadn't bothered to think about it yet ...